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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 09 Dec 16 4.47pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

The argument that we have '...no place at the EU table when decisions are taken....' is interesting.

As far as I am concerned the EU is run by a German/French axis, whom appoint unelected commissioners to do their bidding.

The lack of democracy, openness and fairness in the EU was one of the main reasons I voted Leave.

I don't have a strong view on who has most influence within the EU, but certainly the UK can expect to have less outside it that it does now.

Just curious though, if we did see a deal which was membership in all but name, is that something you'd be happy with?

I can see your concerns about corruption and catering for the multinationals, I'm wondering if being run by a different elite will necessarily make any difference to that.

 


A one and a two...

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 09 Dec 16 4.47pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I had lunch at Simpsons in Cornhill today and one of my fellow diners was Nigel Farage.

What a wonderful Christmas!


Elitist.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 4.55pm

Originally posted by chris123

That's the Strand surely?

Simpsons on Cornhill is a delight.

It is also the dining venue for our irregular Holmesdlae Gentlemans lunches.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 4.56pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Elitist.

Yeah and so what?

I am not a baggy trousered ballet enthusiast.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 4.57pm

Originally posted by tome

I don't have a strong view on who has most influence within the EU, but certainly the UK can expect to have less outside it that it does now.

Just curious though, if we did see a deal which was membership in all but name, is that something you'd be happy with?

I can see your concerns about corruption and catering for the multinationals, I'm wondering if being run by a different elite will necessarily make any difference to that.

I want us out of Europe and if that means 'hard' Brexit, so be it.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

chris123 Flag hove actually 09 Dec 16 5.04pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Simpsons on Cornhill is a delight.

It is also the dining venue for our irreg.ular Holmesdlae Gentlemans lunches.

Yes, but it's a pub, unlike Simpsons on the Strand, which is famous for its bubble and squeak.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 Dec 16 5.07pm

Originally posted by tome

I don't have a strong view on who has most influence within the EU, but certainly the UK can expect to have less outside it that it does now.

Just curious though, if we did see a deal which was membership in all but name, is that something you'd be happy with?

I can see your concerns about corruption and catering for the multinationals, I'm wondering if being run by a different elite will necessarily make any difference to that.

I think we are missing that we have the veto and I don't think France and Germany do conspire against us particularly but it is there to block if necessary.

Another point is that with single market membership that does not mean that the UK has a veto or in fact any say in how it is run, Norway just pay in and thats it.

I don't think being a virtual one party state is better than the EU the surveillance bill recently passed with little opposition would not get such an easy ride in the EU.


 

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 09 Dec 16 5.13pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I want us out of Europe and if that means 'hard' Brexit, so be it.

I was more wondering whether you'd approve of a Brexit so soft it's kind of pointless (depending on your priorities).

I suppose the key to a future which is more demoscratic and transparent is to avoid vested interests taking a power grab during the transition. How do you reckon we might do that?

 


A one and a two...

matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 5.34pm

Originally posted by chris123

Yes, but it's a pub, unlike Simpsons on the Strand, which is famous for its bubble and squeak.

Sir, it is not a pub. It is a restaurant.

Yes, it has a bar but Dickins ate there. As did Farage. Some of the greatest Englishmen.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

chris123 Flag hove actually 09 Dec 16 5.39pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Sir, it is not a pub. It is a restaurant.

Yes, it has a bar but Dickins ate there. As did Farage. Some of the greatest Englishmen.

I know it well - cheap too for the City. It's a pub that does good food and usually has a good beer selection.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 6.06pm

Originally posted by chris123

I know it well - cheap too for the City. It's a pub that does good food and usually has a good beer selection.

Sir, whilst it maybe called the Simpsons Tavern, it is not a pub.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 09 Dec 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Sir, whilst it maybe called the Simpsons Tavern, it is not a pub.

It would appear that you are an "elitist" pleb, whilst chris123 is more your "common" pleb.

Completely different from me, who is an "indifferent" pleb. I don't care if I get pissed in a pub or a restaurant. And am willing to eat in either.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (09 Dec 2016 6.25pm)

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 09 Dec 16 6.21pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Sir, whilst it maybe called the Simpsons Tavern, it is not a pub.

Ok, let's agree on Tavern! The only reason I posted was that it is Simpson on the Strand that is famous for its bubble and squeak. I used to love that place, particularly after a skinful with Dickie H in the Coal Hole - which is a pub!!

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 09 Dec 16 6.45pm

Francis Wheen Article from 1999

Interesting. Very Interesting.

"A slight smugness is detectable in British reactions to the electoral success of Jörg Haider’s Freedom party in Austria. What can you expect of a country that largely welcomed the Anschluss and chose Kurt Waldheim as its president only a few years ago? Couldn’t happen here, could it?

Probably not. But it would be dangerously complacent to ignore our home-grown fascists altogether. After years of hibernation, something is stirring in their malodorous lair.

Unnoticed by the national or local media, the veteran British National Party (BNP) leader, John Tyndall was ousted two weeks ago. His victorious challenger, who won 62% of votes in a postal ballot of BNP members, is a smoothiechops Cambridge graduate by the name of Nick Griffin. Whereas Tyndall was an old-fashioned rabble-rouser with a taste for Mosleyite uniforms and Hitlerian rhetoric, Griffin prefers Italian suits or smart-casual wear. He describes himself as a “moderniser” and “new nationalist”; he talks excitedly about the liberating power of the internet; he is as contemptuous of his party’s traditional supporters – the skinheads, the football hooligans – as Blairites are of old Labour. He even has his own version of the “third way”, having founded a group called the International Third Position. And, like Tony Blair, he believes he can tickle the erogenous zones of Middle England.

In spite of its suave appearance, I need hardly add, new nationalism is just as thuggish and poisonous as the old variety. Griffin’s campaign manager, Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, was jailed for three years in 1986 for possessing explosives, and earned another three-year sentence in 1991 for stabbing a Jewish schoolteacher. Seventeen months ago Griffin himself was convicted of incitement to racial hatred after police seized copies of his magazine, the Rune. His main defence witness at the trial was Robert Faurisson, the famous Holocaust revisionist. In a 1995 article from the Rune, Griffin argued that the BNP should be “a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend Rights For Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists.”

All this has been airbrushed out of his CV lest it frighten Middle England. “It is at this point,” Griffin now argues, “when the British National Party suddenly becomes the focus of the hopes not just of the neglected and oppressed white working class, but also of the frustrated and disorientated traditional middle class that our future lies.” BNP members have already begun attending rallies of foxhunters and farmers to chat up rural malcontents. But the most promising source of recruits, Griffin believes, is the anti-European campaign.

Now you may think that William Hague has cornered that particular market. However, unless or until Hague actually advocates outright withdrawal from the EU, there will be a sizeable minority of voters who find even the Tories’ Europhobia too moderate for their taste. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), which probably has no more actual members than the BNP, won three seats in the European Parliament this year.

Since that triumph, however, UKIP has been falling to pieces with startling speed. The national executive recently passed a motion of no confidence in its leader, Michael Holmes. He then staged a counter-coup at the party’s annual conference in Solihull two weeks ago, which led to the sacking of the entire executive and the closure of the London HQ.

These shenanigans have been observed with great interest by Nick Griffin and the BNP. Until 1997, under the leadership of Dr Alan Sked, UKIP’s membership form included a clause stressing that racists were not allowed to join. Soon after Sked’s departure, however, the clause mysteriously disappeared. The new leaders, Michael Holmes and Nigel Farage – who are now both MEPs – also set out to “combine our protest” with other anti-Euro campaigners. In his UKIP election leaflet this year, Holmes paid tribute to “citizens’ patriotic protest groups” such as Save Our Sterling – presumably unaware that Save Our Sterling was run by the BNP.

Then came the most disturbing titbit of all: a blurred photo, taken in the summer of 1997, showing Nigel Farage of UKIP chatting to two men. One was Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, the other was Mark Deavin, head of research for the BNP, who had briefly infiltrated UKIP but was expelled in May 1997 after his true affiliations were discovered.

Deavin, who edited Mindbenders, an “expose” of Jews in the media, is also the author of The Grand Plan: The Origins of Non-White Immigration, in which he argues that “the mass immigration of non-Europeans into every White country on earth” had been engineered by “a homogeneous transatlantic political and financial elite to destroy the national identities and create a raceless new world order.” Homogeneous, eh? Allow Deavin to explain: “These concerns were Jewish in origin… the promotion of World Government can also be seen to be in line with traditional Jewish messianic thinking.”

When the photo was sent anonymously to the UKIP a few months ago, Farage expressed bafflement. While admitting that “I briefly met Mr Deavin at his request on June 17 1997, and had lunch with him in a restaurant,” he insisted that “I have no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to Mr Lecomber in my life… I can only surmise that Mr Lecomber was planted outside the restaurant or that the photograph has been doctored.”

Whatever the explanation, the fact that Farage met Deavin after the BNP man’s expulsion was enough to alarm some UKIP members – especially as Farage, who earns his living as a City commodity-broker, is a man who often used words such as “******” and “nig-nog” in the pub after committee meetings. A month after the lunch, by an odd coincidence, Deavin wrote an article in the far-right journal Spearhead which discussed the possibility of closer relations between the BNP and UKIP.

But here’s an even stranger coincidence. Shortly before the 1997 general election, Mark Deavin spoke freely of his plans to undercover researchers from Searchlight magazine and The Cook Report, who had posed as emissaries from Jean-Marie Le Pen’s Front National. One necessary step, he said, was to get rid of the BNP leader John Tyndall (“who is actually an obstacle”) and replace him with Deavin’s chum Nick Griffin. This would leave one other obstacle. “If Blair becomes prime minister,” Deavin predicted, “the BNP will be the official opposition in the inner cities, in working-class areas. The UKIP will be the opposition in the shires, the county areas, the middle-class opposition. That party is a serious opposition to us in middle England, but, if we had the resources, we could tear it to pieces.”

Two weeks ago, at the same time as UKIP was tearing itself apart in Solihull, Nick Griffin duly toppled John Tyndall and promised a “realignment” of the far-right. He may not yet have the popular appeal of Jörg Haider; but he certainly needs watching."

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Dec 16 6.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Francis Wheen Article from 1999

Interesting. Very Interesting.

"A slight smugness is detectable in British reactions to the electoral success of Jörg Haider’s Freedom party in Austria. What can you expect of a country that largely welcomed the Anschluss and chose Kurt Waldheim as its president only a few years ago? Couldn’t happen here, could it?

Probably not. But it would be dangerously complacent to ignore our home-grown fascists altogether. After years of hibernation, something is stirring in their malodorous lair.

Unnoticed by the national or local media, the veteran British National Party (BNP) leader, John Tyndall was ousted two weeks ago. His victorious challenger, who won 62% of votes in a postal ballot of BNP members, is a smoothiechops Cambridge graduate by the name of Nick Griffin. Whereas Tyndall was an old-fashioned rabble-rouser with a taste for Mosleyite uniforms and Hitlerian rhetoric, Griffin prefers Italian suits or smart-casual wear. He describes himself as a “moderniser” and “new nationalist”; he talks excitedly about the liberating power of the internet; he is as contemptuous of his party’s traditional supporters – the skinheads, the football hooligans – as Blairites are of old Labour. He even has his own version of the “third way”, having founded a group called the International Third Position. And, like Tony Blair, he believes he can tickle the erogenous zones of Middle England.

In spite of its suave appearance, I need hardly add, new nationalism is just as thuggish and poisonous as the old variety. Griffin’s campaign manager, Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, was jailed for three years in 1986 for possessing explosives, and earned another three-year sentence in 1991 for stabbing a Jewish schoolteacher. Seventeen months ago Griffin himself was convicted of incitement to racial hatred after police seized copies of his magazine, the Rune. His main defence witness at the trial was Robert Faurisson, the famous Holocaust revisionist. In a 1995 article from the Rune, Griffin argued that the BNP should be “a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend Rights For Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists.”

All this has been airbrushed out of his CV lest it frighten Middle England. “It is at this point,” Griffin now argues, “when the British National Party suddenly becomes the focus of the hopes not just of the neglected and oppressed white working class, but also of the frustrated and disorientated traditional middle class that our future lies.” BNP members have already begun attending rallies of foxhunters and farmers to chat up rural malcontents. But the most promising source of recruits, Griffin believes, is the anti-European campaign.

Now you may think that William Hague has cornered that particular market. However, unless or until Hague actually advocates outright withdrawal from the EU, there will be a sizeable minority of voters who find even the Tories’ Europhobia too moderate for their taste. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), which probably has no more actual members than the BNP, won three seats in the European Parliament this year.

Since that triumph, however, UKIP has been falling to pieces with startling speed. The national executive recently passed a motion of no confidence in its leader, Michael Holmes. He then staged a counter-coup at the party’s annual conference in Solihull two weeks ago, which led to the sacking of the entire executive and the closure of the London HQ.

These shenanigans have been observed with great interest by Nick Griffin and the BNP. Until 1997, under the leadership of Dr Alan Sked, UKIP’s membership form included a clause stressing that racists were not allowed to join. Soon after Sked’s departure, however, the clause mysteriously disappeared. The new leaders, Michael Holmes and Nigel Farage – who are now both MEPs – also set out to “combine our protest” with other anti-Euro campaigners. In his UKIP election leaflet this year, Holmes paid tribute to “citizens’ patriotic protest groups” such as Save Our Sterling – presumably unaware that Save Our Sterling was run by the BNP.

Then came the most disturbing titbit of all: a blurred photo, taken in the summer of 1997, showing Nigel Farage of UKIP chatting to two men. One was Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, the other was Mark Deavin, head of research for the BNP, who had briefly infiltrated UKIP but was expelled in May 1997 after his true affiliations were discovered.

Deavin, who edited Mindbenders, an “expose” of Jews in the media, is also the author of The Grand Plan: The Origins of Non-White Immigration, in which he argues that “the mass immigration of non-Europeans into every White country on earth” had been engineered by “a homogeneous transatlantic political and financial elite to destroy the national identities and create a raceless new world order.” Homogeneous, eh? Allow Deavin to explain: “These concerns were Jewish in origin… the promotion of World Government can also be seen to be in line with traditional Jewish messianic thinking.”

When the photo was sent anonymously to the UKIP a few months ago, Farage expressed bafflement. While admitting that “I briefly met Mr Deavin at his request on June 17 1997, and had lunch with him in a restaurant,” he insisted that “I have no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to Mr Lecomber in my life… I can only surmise that Mr Lecomber was planted outside the restaurant or that the photograph has been doctored.”

Whatever the explanation, the fact that Farage met Deavin after the BNP man’s expulsion was enough to alarm some UKIP members – especially as Farage, who earns his living as a City commodity-broker, is a man who often used words such as “******” and “nig-nog” in the pub after committee meetings. A month after the lunch, by an odd coincidence, Deavin wrote an article in the far-right journal Spearhead which discussed the possibility of closer relations between the BNP and UKIP.

But here’s an even stranger coincidence. Shortly before the 1997 general election, Mark Deavin spoke freely of his plans to undercover researchers from Searchlight magazine and The Cook Report, who had posed as emissaries from Jean-Marie Le Pen’s Front National. One necessary step, he said, was to get rid of the BNP leader John Tyndall (“who is actually an obstacle”) and replace him with Deavin’s chum Nick Griffin. This would leave one other obstacle. “If Blair becomes prime minister,” Deavin predicted, “the BNP will be the official opposition in the inner cities, in working-class areas. The UKIP will be the opposition in the shires, the county areas, the middle-class opposition. That party is a serious opposition to us in middle England, but, if we had the resources, we could tear it to pieces.”

Two weeks ago, at the same time as UKIP was tearing itself apart in Solihull, Nick Griffin duly toppled John Tyndall and promised a “realignment” of the far-right. He may not yet have the popular appeal of Jörg Haider; but he certainly needs watching."

Francis Wheen. Enough said.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Dec 16 7.03pm

Originally posted by chris123

Ok, let's agree on Tavern! The only reason I posted was that it is Simpson on the Strand that is famous for its bubble and squeak. I used to love that place, particularly after a skinful with Dickie H in the Coal Hole - which is a pub!!

I have heard Simpsons in Cornhill praised (rightly) many times for its bubble & squeak and I have been going there regularly for nearly forty years. I have never been to Simpsons on the Strand nor have I heard its bubble & squeak praised.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 09 Dec 16 7.12pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I have heard Simpsons in Cornhill praised (rightly) many times for its bubble & squeak and I have been going there regularly for nearly forty years. I have never been to Simpsons on the Strand nor have I heard its bubble & squeak praised.

I thoroughly recommend the Ten Deadly Sins.

 

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 09 Dec 16 7.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Francis Wheen Article from 1999

Interesting. Very Interesting.

"A slight smugness is detectable in British reactions to the electoral success of Jörg Haider’s Freedom party in Austria. What can you expect of a country that largely welcomed the Anschluss and chose Kurt Waldheim as its president only a few years ago? Couldn’t happen here, could it?

Probably not. But it would be dangerously complacent to ignore our home-grown fascists altogether. After years of hibernation, something is stirring in their malodorous lair.

Unnoticed by the national or local media, the veteran British National Party (BNP) leader, John Tyndall was ousted two weeks ago. His victorious challenger, who won 62% of votes in a postal ballot of BNP members, is a smoothiechops Cambridge graduate by the name of Nick Griffin. Whereas Tyndall was an old-fashioned rabble-rouser with a taste for Mosleyite uniforms and Hitlerian rhetoric, Griffin prefers Italian suits or smart-casual wear. He describes himself as a “moderniser” and “new nationalist”; he talks excitedly about the liberating power of the internet; he is as contemptuous of his party’s traditional supporters – the skinheads, the football hooligans – as Blairites are of old Labour. He even has his own version of the “third way”, having founded a group called the International Third Position. And, like Tony Blair, he believes he can tickle the erogenous zones of Middle England.

In spite of its suave appearance, I need hardly add, new nationalism is just as thuggish and poisonous as the old variety. Griffin’s campaign manager, Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, was jailed for three years in 1986 for possessing explosives, and earned another three-year sentence in 1991 for stabbing a Jewish schoolteacher. Seventeen months ago Griffin himself was convicted of incitement to racial hatred after police seized copies of his magazine, the Rune. His main defence witness at the trial was Robert Faurisson, the famous Holocaust revisionist. In a 1995 article from the Rune, Griffin argued that the BNP should be “a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend Rights For Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists.”

All this has been airbrushed out of his CV lest it frighten Middle England. “It is at this point,” Griffin now argues, “when the British National Party suddenly becomes the focus of the hopes not just of the neglected and oppressed white working class, but also of the frustrated and disorientated traditional middle class that our future lies.” BNP members have already begun attending rallies of foxhunters and farmers to chat up rural malcontents. But the most promising source of recruits, Griffin believes, is the anti-European campaign.

Now you may think that William Hague has cornered that particular market. However, unless or until Hague actually advocates outright withdrawal from the EU, there will be a sizeable minority of voters who find even the Tories’ Europhobia too moderate for their taste. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), which probably has no more actual members than the BNP, won three seats in the European Parliament this year.

Since that triumph, however, UKIP has been falling to pieces with startling speed. The national executive recently passed a motion of no confidence in its leader, Michael Holmes. He then staged a counter-coup at the party’s annual conference in Solihull two weeks ago, which led to the sacking of the entire executive and the closure of the London HQ.

These shenanigans have been observed with great interest by Nick Griffin and the BNP. Until 1997, under the leadership of Dr Alan Sked, UKIP’s membership form included a clause stressing that racists were not allowed to join. Soon after Sked’s departure, however, the clause mysteriously disappeared. The new leaders, Michael Holmes and Nigel Farage – who are now both MEPs – also set out to “combine our protest” with other anti-Euro campaigners. In his UKIP election leaflet this year, Holmes paid tribute to “citizens’ patriotic protest groups” such as Save Our Sterling – presumably unaware that Save Our Sterling was run by the BNP.

Then came the most disturbing titbit of all: a blurred photo, taken in the summer of 1997, showing Nigel Farage of UKIP chatting to two men. One was Tony “the bomber” Lecomber, the other was Mark Deavin, head of research for the BNP, who had briefly infiltrated UKIP but was expelled in May 1997 after his true affiliations were discovered.

Deavin, who edited Mindbenders, an “expose” of Jews in the media, is also the author of The Grand Plan: The Origins of Non-White Immigration, in which he argues that “the mass immigration of non-Europeans into every White country on earth” had been engineered by “a homogeneous transatlantic political and financial elite to destroy the national identities and create a raceless new world order.” Homogeneous, eh? Allow Deavin to explain: “These concerns were Jewish in origin… the promotion of World Government can also be seen to be in line with traditional Jewish messianic thinking.”

When the photo was sent anonymously to the UKIP a few months ago, Farage expressed bafflement. While admitting that “I briefly met Mr Deavin at his request on June 17 1997, and had lunch with him in a restaurant,” he insisted that “I have no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to Mr Lecomber in my life… I can only surmise that Mr Lecomber was planted outside the restaurant or that the photograph has been doctored.”

Whatever the explanation, the fact that Farage met Deavin after the BNP man’s expulsion was enough to alarm some UKIP members – especially as Farage, who earns his living as a City commodity-broker, is a man who often used words such as “******” and “nig-nog” in the pub after committee meetings. A month after the lunch, by an odd coincidence, Deavin wrote an article in the far-right journal Spearhead which discussed the possibility of closer relations between the BNP and UKIP.

But here’s an even stranger coincidence. Shortly before the 1997 general election, Mark Deavin spoke freely of his plans to undercover researchers from Searchlight magazine and The Cook Report, who had posed as emissaries from Jean-Marie Le Pen’s Front National. One necessary step, he said, was to get rid of the BNP leader John Tyndall (“who is actually an obstacle”) and replace him with Deavin’s chum Nick Griffin. This would leave one other obstacle. “If Blair becomes prime minister,” Deavin predicted, “the BNP will be the official opposition in the inner cities, in working-class areas. The UKIP will be the opposition in the shires, the county areas, the middle-class opposition. That party is a serious opposition to us in middle England, but, if we had the resources, we could tear it to pieces.”

Two weeks ago, at the same time as UKIP was tearing itself apart in Solihull, Nick Griffin duly toppled John Tyndall and promised a “realignment” of the far-right. He may not yet have the popular appeal of Jörg Haider; but he certainly needs watching."

Can't see any bias there at all.

Oh wait...

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Dec 16 4.16pm

Sorry brexit is here to stay staying off the thread won't work.

'Brexit means Snodgrass'


 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 15 Dec 16 1.11pm

Not had a chance to fact check this yet...

 

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