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jamiemartin721  Reading 15 Dec 16 1.15pm |
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[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3090483] Can't see any bias there at all. Oh wait... I think its kind of difficult not to be biased against the BNP and assorted far right fringe f**ks like the EDL, Britain First... or a supporter. Neo-Nazi lites and faux-fascist wannabes are as objectionable as people who idealise Stalin, Lenin or Mao on the left.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Dec 16 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I want us out of Europe and if that means 'hard' Brexit, so be it. So if it meant economic ruin, that set the country back decades, that would be ok? What about if the UK was unable to trade with the EU? Or had to accept humiliating trade agreements with the EU and its partners, because it lacked sufficient negotiating power? The consequences have to be balanced, and the approach pragmatic. Leaving the EU regardless of consequence, is as absurd as staying in the EU just because we don't know what the consequence will be.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Dec 16 1.25pm |
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I bet they have no lobbying in the UK at all, and never offer cushy jobs to ex-ministers or their family.. The mistake is the idea that you could just lobby the EU, you'd have to lobby all the member states representatives, rather than just a few MP's, and even then you'd still need to persuade their national parliament as well (as EU commissioners are appointed by government, and aren't entirely independent in their capacity for decision making). Its not an entirely distinct entity (and its legal powers are very limited).
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 Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 Dec 16 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I bet they have no lobbying in the UK at all, and never offer cushy jobs to ex-ministers or their family.. The mistake is the idea that you could just lobby the EU, you'd have to lobby all the member states representatives, rather than just a few MP's, and even then you'd still need to persuade their national parliament as well (as EU commissioners are appointed by government, and aren't entirely independent in their capacity for decision making). Its not an entirely distinct entity (and its legal powers are very limited). I've not cross checked the figures but this IS happening.
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 Dec 16 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So if it meant economic ruin, that set the country back decades, that would be ok? What about if the UK was unable to trade with the EU? Or had to accept humiliating trade agreements with the EU and its partners, because it lacked sufficient negotiating power? The consequences have to be balanced, and the approach pragmatic. Leaving the EU regardless of consequence, is as absurd as staying in the EU just because we don't know what the consequence will be. That won't happen, it's speculation and the EU members have a vested interest in ensuring that business continues smoothly, given the number of German cars and bottles of French wine that end up on these shores each year. However, as someone who is ideologically opposed to the EU, I repeat, I would rather a hard Brexit than a no Brexit, or a 'not quite Brexit'.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Dec 16 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
That won't happen, it's speculation and the EU members have a vested interest in ensuring that business continues smoothly, given the number of German cars and bottles of French wine that end up on these shores each year. However, as someone who is ideologically opposed to the EU, I repeat, I would rather a hard Brexit than a no Brexit, or a 'not quite Brexit'. The EU could choose to subsidise the 'losses to the German Car industry' of one EU member state. I doubt we could afford to subsidise for the loss of 27 markets. Italy could struggle with the loss of the UK markets, but the UK couldn't manage without the EU markets. Its really going to be about what demands they make that we can live with. Trade wise we'll be at a disadvantage outside of the EU.
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Dec 16 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So if it meant economic ruin, that set the country back decades, that would be ok? What about if the UK was unable to trade with the EU? Or had to accept humiliating trade agreements with the EU and its partners, because it lacked sufficient negotiating power? The consequences have to be balanced, and the approach pragmatic. Leaving the EU regardless of consequence, is as absurd as staying in the EU just because we don't know what the consequence will be. How likely do you think it is that this will happen?
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 15 Dec 16 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its kind of difficult not to be biased against the BNP and assorted far right fringe f**ks like the EDL, Britain First... or a supporter. Neo-Nazi lites and faux-fascist wannabes are as objectionable as people who idealise Stalin, Lenin or Mao on the left. You are correct. They have no place in society. But, equally, posting that kind of rhetoric on a thread about a referendum to leave the EU will be seen by many as a bit of a *leftist* dig. Like you say, both far right and far left are obnoxious. How far left is Corbyn? And how far right is May?
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| legaleagle 15 Dec 16 9.50pm |
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She's about as far (or unfar) right as he is far (or unfar) left,I'd say
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Dec 16 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
She's about as far (or unfar) right as he is far (or unfar) left,I'd say The supreme court heard the recent appeal from the claimants on the basis that article 50 is irrevocable but is that so? If it is then what do you think would be the position now?
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Kermit8  Hevon 16 Dec 16 8.23am |
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Around a £50 billion pound settlement and liabilities bill to be put in the post to the UK as soon as Article 50 is triggered:
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Dec 16 8.25am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
That won't happen, it's speculation and the EU members have a vested interest in ensuring that business continues smoothly, given the number of German cars and bottles of French wine that end up on these shores each year. However, as someone who is ideologically opposed to the EU, I repeat, I would rather a hard Brexit than a no Brexit, or a 'not quite Brexit'. Translation - "I'm alright, Jack, if a hard Brexit goes down"
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| matt_himself Matataland 16 Dec 16 8.26am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Around a £50 billion pound settlement and liabilities bill to be put in the post to the UK as soon as Article 50 is triggered: Of course they will.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Dec 16 8.27am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Of course they will.
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| legaleagle 16 Dec 16 9.18am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The supreme court heard the recent appeal from the claimants on the basis that article 50 is irrevocable but is that so? If it is then what do you think would be the position now? It would be my humble view that reading Article 50,there is nothing in it to reverse it and departure is the automatic ensuing consequence , so the Supreme Court rightly proceeds on the basis its irreversible...however,seems to me nothing to stop the EU and UK agreeing down the line that UK would remain a member pre actual leaving or to be readmitted later...but in itself Article 50 is a one way exit process once triggered
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Dec 16 9.22am |
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The 50 billion is only the start of what is to come
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Dec 16 9.41am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The 50 billion is only the start of what is to come
At least with The Brexiteers who know this but are quite open in their 'it's a price worth paying no matter what' they are not being disingenuous. It's the ones who pretend everything will be ok and we will come up smelling of roses and persuading others, especially the less well off who actually might think it is not a price worth paying, to go along with them in their nasty little crusade that need to be made to spend six whole weeks in a Big Brother House with Michael McIntyre.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Dec 16 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Negotiations haven't even started yet, for goodness' sake. Gonna be difficult to negotiate a previously agreed to by all parties liability cost.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Dec 16 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Gonna be difficult to negotiate a previously agreed to by all parties liability cost. Well, none of us have seen the small print but that figure of 50bn I would guess is on the assumption that we actually remained in the wretched thing. The agreement in question was arrived at before we voted to leave, wasn't it?
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