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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Dec 16 11.14am
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3094263] You are correct. They have no place in society. But, equally, posting that kind of rhetoric on a thread about a referendum to leave the EU will be seen by many as a bit of a leftist dig. Like you say, both far right and far left are obnoxious. How far left is Corbyn? And how far right is May? Not so much far right and left, I think and know there are people with valid points on both sides, its the idealists who see 'a utopia built on the suffering of others' as acceptable. I don't really understand why the far right embraces racism and anti-Semitism, or how the far left just rejects anything involving wealth or comfort as by default wrong or faulty. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 16 Dec 16 11.14am

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3094263]

You are correct. They have no place in society.

But, equally, posting that kind of rhetoric on a thread about a referendum to leave the EU will be seen by many as a bit of a *leftist* dig.

Like you say, both far right and far left are obnoxious.

How far left is Corbyn? And how far right is May?

Not so much far right and left, I think and know there are people with valid points on both sides, its the idealists who see 'a utopia built on the suffering of others' as acceptable.

I don't really understand why the far right embraces racism and anti-Semitism, or how the far left just rejects anything involving wealth or comfort as by default wrong or faulty.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 16 Dec 16 11.26am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Wave a piece of white paper, Matthew. That'll convince the doubters. 'Sky Sources'. That well known belweather of information. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 16 Dec 16 11.26am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Wave a piece of white paper, Matthew. That'll convince the doubters.

'Sky Sources'. That well known belweather of information.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hoof Hearted 16 Dec 16 11.47am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Around a £50 billion pound settlement and liabilities bill to be put in the post to the UK as soon as Article 50 is triggered: [Link] .... and we'll laugh it off and not pay it.... That bill is even more far fetched as getting an email from Jamaica about getting millions paid into your bank account. "Willy waving" by the EU.

Hoof Hearted 16 Dec 16 11.47am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Around a £50 billion pound settlement and liabilities bill to be put in the post to the UK as soon as Article 50 is triggered:

[Link]

.... and we'll laugh it off and not pay it.... That bill is even more far fetched as getting an email from Jamaica about getting millions paid into your bank account.

"Willy waving" by the EU.

matt_himself Matataland 16 Dec 16 11.49am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted .... and we'll laugh it off and not pay it.... That bill is even more far fetched as getting an email from Jamaica about getting millions paid into your bank account. "Willy waving" by the EU. Some people have no idea of how negotiation works, Hoof. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 16 Dec 16 11.49am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

.... and we'll laugh it off and not pay it.... That bill is even more far fetched as getting an email from Jamaica about getting millions paid into your bank account.

"Willy waving" by the EU.

Some people have no idea of how negotiation works, Hoof.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hoof Hearted 16 Dec 16 11.57am
Originally posted by matt_himself Some people have no idea of how negotiation works, Hoof. Very true matt.... they know how to down tools and form a picket line though!

Hoof Hearted 16 Dec 16 11.57am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Some people have no idea of how negotiation works, Hoof.

Very true matt.... they know how to down tools and form a picket line though!

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 16 9.37pm
The whole Turkey are going to join the EU millions of turks will flood Europe thing has gorn quiet since the referendum. Funny that.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 16 9.37pm

The whole Turkey are going to join the EU millions of turks will flood Europe thing has gorn quiet since the referendum. Funny that.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Dec 16 10.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset The whole Turkey are going to join the EU millions of turks will flood Europe thing has gorn quiet since the referendum. Funny that. I wish you would. We are leaving. Deal with it. And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Dec 16 10.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The whole Turkey are going to join the EU millions of turks will flood Europe thing has gorn quiet since the referendum. Funny that.

I wish you would.

We are leaving. Deal with it.

And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election.

steeleye20 Croydon 17 Dec 16 11.01am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I wish you would. We are leaving. Deal with it. And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election. Good to see you have realised that. Sovereignty is out of the window as Mrs May asserts her self given right to avoid parliament. Brexit is a hollow sham for leavers too. I think a brexit tax for them to pay for it is just and reasonable.

steeleye20

Croydon 17 Dec 16 11.01am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I wish you would.

We are leaving. Deal with it.

And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election.

Good to see you have realised that.

Sovereignty is out of the window as Mrs May asserts her self given right to avoid parliament.

Brexit is a hollow sham for leavers too.

I think a brexit tax for them to pay for it is just and reasonable.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Dec 16 12.23pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Good to see you have realised that. Sovereignty is out of the window as Mrs May asserts her self given right to avoid parliament. Brexit is a hollow sham for leavers too. I think a brexit tax for them to pay for it is just and reasonable. Do you know what that word means? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Dec 2016 12.24pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Dec 16 12.23pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Good to see you have realised that.

Sovereignty is out of the window as Mrs May asserts her self given right to avoid parliament.

Brexit is a hollow sham for leavers too.

I think a brexit tax for them to pay for it is just and reasonable.

Do you know what that word means?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Dec 2016 12.24pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 4.20pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I wish you would. We are leaving. Deal with it. And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election. I'm dealing with it. I understand we are leaving. If you'd taken any notice of what I've written in the past you'd know this. But my point remains, what happened to the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 4.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I wish you would.

We are leaving. Deal with it.

And if we don't get full control of immigration then expect a massive UKIP vote at the next election.

I'm dealing with it. I understand we are leaving. If you'd taken any notice of what I've written in the past you'd know this.

But my point remains, what happened to the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU?

chris123 hove actually 17 Dec 16 4.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm dealing with it. I understand we are leaving. If you'd taken any notice of what I've written in the past you'd know this. But my point remains, what happened to the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU? Are you saying Turkey won't join one day?

chris123

hove actually 17 Dec 16 4.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm dealing with it. I understand we are leaving. If you'd taken any notice of what I've written in the past you'd know this.

But my point remains, what happened to the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU?

Are you saying Turkey won't join one day?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 4.41pm
Originally posted by chris123 Are you saying Turkey won't join one day? Not anytime soon. There's loads about the issue earlier on in this thread. But we were promised millions of turks swarming our shores by certain sections.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 4.41pm

Originally posted by chris123

Are you saying Turkey won't join one day?

Not anytime soon. There's loads about the issue earlier on in this thread. But we were promised millions of turks swarming our shores by certain sections.

steeleye20 Croydon 17 Dec 16 5.33pm
There could never be free movement for Turkey it would lead to mass unemployment in the EU the French blocked this at first it was a long time ago but the size of the working population in Turkey makes it untenable so how could that change. .

steeleye20

Croydon 17 Dec 16 5.33pm

There could never be free movement for Turkey it would lead to mass unemployment in the EU the French blocked this at first it was a long time ago but the size of the working population in Turkey makes it untenable so how could that change.

JohnyBoy 17 Dec 16 5.53pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 There could never be free movement for Turkey it would lead to mass unemployment in the EU the French blocked this at first it was a long time ago but the size of the working population in Turkey makes it untenable so how could that change. Precisely. Or we could have vetoed their entry ourselves if we hadnt 'taken back control'. Now we will have to hope that another country makes a decision that we have voted to forego. I do like your idea of a brexit tax though to plug the 122billion OBR estimate that the economy will be smaller in 2017/2018 and the additional 50billion it will cost us to leave. It was made quite clear that the 50% temporary tax due to the financial crisis and was dubbed the banker tax (as banking bailouts cost 133billion). However the brexit tax will need to be paid by all although pensioners should have the triple lock removed and we will have to accept less funding for nhs, education, police defence and other public services but everyone should know that the additional tax is due to our decision to leave. The popularity of a populist vote, no matter how irrational, may then focus peoples minds to focus on the consequences of their vote. .

JohnyBoy

17 Dec 16 5.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Precisely. Or we could have vetoed their entry ourselves if we hadnt 'taken back control'. Now we will have to hope that another country makes a decision that we have voted to forego.
I do like your idea of a brexit tax though to plug the 122billion OBR estimate that the economy will be smaller in 2017/2018 and the additional 50billion it will cost us to leave. It was made quite clear that the 50% temporary tax due to the financial crisis and was dubbed the banker tax (as banking bailouts cost 133billion).
However the brexit tax will need to be paid by all although pensioners should have the triple lock removed and we will have to accept less funding for nhs, education, police defence and other public services but everyone should know that the additional tax is due to our decision to leave. The popularity of a populist vote, no matter how irrational, may then focus peoples minds to focus on the consequences of their vote.

matt_himself Matataland 17 Dec 16 8.30pm
Another rich, privileged leftie is 'concentrating on the fight against the populist right' following the Brexit vote. Does he, and his ilk, realise that making these loftie proclaimations on how people should think and act, only drives the ordinary voter into the hands of the Tories and UKIP? [Link] This is an observation, not a trigger for a load of defensive abuse from the usual suspects, but the left in the West appears to be in a terrible mess. They appear to have no coherent policies, no visionaries, no leaders with guts and idea how 'progressive politics' should be applied to a fragmented but (as contradictory as it sounds) inter connected globalised World. If people like this actor are going to be the 'voice of progressive politics' then the political class of the left must be ideologically dead. I do believe that part of this is driven from the 'progressive lefts' failure to deal with Globalisation. Globalisation is, conversely, totally what the left is about and not about at the same time. It's big business (boo from the left) but criticise freedom of movement and it is 'racism'. Democracy needs credible opposition. It looks very much like we are in a period where the right can proceed unopposed in governance for a decade. The left needs to get its act together. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Dec 16 8.30pm

Another rich, privileged leftie is 'concentrating on the fight against the populist right' following the Brexit vote. Does he, and his ilk, realise that making these loftie proclaimations on how people should think and act, only drives the ordinary voter into the hands of the Tories and UKIP?

[Link]

This is an observation, not a trigger for a load of defensive abuse from the usual suspects, but the left in the West appears to be in a terrible mess. They appear to have no coherent policies, no visionaries, no leaders with guts and idea how 'progressive politics' should be applied to a fragmented but (as contradictory as it sounds) inter connected globalised World.

If people like this actor are going to be the 'voice of progressive politics' then the political class of the left must be ideologically dead. I do believe that part of this is driven from the 'progressive lefts' failure to deal with Globalisation. Globalisation is, conversely, totally what the left is about and not about at the same time. It's big business (boo from the left) but criticise freedom of movement and it is 'racism'.

Democracy needs credible opposition. It looks very much like we are in a period where the right can proceed unopposed in governance for a decade. The left needs to get its act together.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit8 Hevon 17 Dec 16 9.02pm
All very interesting Matthew but there is nothing in that article that say's Michael Sheen is a type of leftie that you find so abhorrent, is there? You are just trying to smear him to make you and your self-righteous politics feel better about yourselves. Bit sad really, isn't it? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 17 Dec 16 9.02pm

All very interesting Matthew but there is nothing in that article that say's Michael Sheen is a type of leftie that you find so abhorrent, is there?

You are just trying to smear him to make you and your self-righteous politics feel better about yourselves.

Bit sad really, isn't it?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 17 Dec 16 9.24pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Another rich, privileged leftie is 'concentrating on the fight against the populist right' following the Brexit vote. Does he, and his ilk, realise that making these loftie proclaimations on how people should think and act, only drives the ordinary voter into the hands of the Tories and UKIP? [Link] This is an observation, not a trigger for a load of defensive abuse from the usual suspects, but the left in the West appears to be in a terrible mess. They appear to have no coherent policies, no visionaries, no leaders with guts and idea how 'progressive politics' should be applied to a fragmented but (as contradictory as it sounds) inter connected globalised World. If people like this actor are going to be the 'voice of progressive politics' then the political class of the left must be ideologically dead. I do believe that part of this is driven from the 'progressive lefts' failure to deal with Globalisation. Globalisation is, conversely, totally what the left is about and not about at the same time. It's big business (boo from the left) but criticise freedom of movement and it is 'racism'. Democracy needs credible opposition. It looks very much like we are in a period where the right can proceed unopposed in governance for a decade. The left needs to get its act together. Let's keep hoping they don't. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 17 Dec 16 9.24pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

[Link]

Democracy needs credible opposition. It looks very much like we are in a period where the right can proceed unopposed in governance for a decade. The left needs to get its act together.

Let's keep hoping they don't.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 17 Dec 16 9.42pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy [/quot IMO leavers should be taxed with a brexit charge the 48% remainers have no representation in parliament.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 17 Dec 16 9.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Originally posted by JohnyBoy [/quot IMO leavers should be taxed with a brexit charge the 48% remainers have no representation in parliament. It's a very good job that your O counts for zero. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

JohnyBoy 17 Dec 16 9.55pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Originally posted by JohnyBoy [/quot IMO leavers should be taxed with a brexit charge the 48% remainers have no representation in parliament. An interesting idea, but ukip have been elected with a 13 seat majority in the commons and would like to do away with parliamentary democracy to really give one final push to send our economy over the edge....and then the 'popular' press will blame 'remoaners' and immigrants for raising our national debt to 2trillion by 2020 (in 2010 it was 1 trillion).

JohnyBoy

17 Dec 16 9.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

[/quot

IMO leavers should be taxed with a brexit charge the 48% remainers have no representation in parliament.

An interesting idea, but ukip have been elected with a 13 seat majority in the commons and would like to do away with parliamentary democracy to really give one final push to send our economy over the edge....and then the 'popular' press will blame 'remoaners' and immigrants for raising our national debt to 2trillion by 2020 (in 2010 it was 1 trillion).

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