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Originally posted by Kermit8
All very interesting Matthew but there is nothing in that article that say's Michael Sheen is a type of leftie that you find so abhorrent, is there? You are just trying to smear him to make you and your self-righteous politics feel better about yourselves. Bit sad really, isn't it? It was an observation on the type, Michael. The voice of the privileged left telling people how to vote in the EU Refrendum and the US Elections went down well, didn't it? The majority didn't listen to the likes of Jay Z, Bob Geldof or Ewen McGregor tells them what to do. Why would it be any different with Michael Sheen? It just alienates voters and leaves them polarised from the majority. If you think I am self righteous, I don't care. That is just a smear of your own, in an attempt to pick a fight. Edited by matt_himself (17 Dec 2016 9.59pm)
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Let's keep hoping they don't. They won't for a decade or so.
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
An interesting idea, but ukip have been elected with a 13 seat majority in the commons and would like to do away with parliamentary democracy to really give one final push to send our economy over the edge....and then the 'popular' press will blame 'remoaners' and immigrants for raising our national debt to 2trillion by 2020 (in 2010 it was 1 trillion). Its 1.67 trillions now projected to be 1.95 trillions in 2020 not including Mrs Mays court cases and the 50 billion charge and her trousers....
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Not good for Sturgeon - support for independence is falling: So what cards does she hold in Brexit negotiations? None - they will become irrelevant post Brexit as independence would mean being out of the EU and out of the UK.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Its 1.67 trillions now projected to be 1.95 trillions in 2020 not including Mrs Mays court cases and the 50 billion charge and her trousers....
1.96billion - Truly 'eye-watering' figures as a chancellor would say.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Its 1.67 trillions now projected to be 1.95 trillions in 2020 not including Mrs Mays court cases and the 50 billion charge and her trousers....
Or closer to £1.8 trillion, depending on the source. As for breaking the £2 trillion mark, it'll almost certainly hit that well before 2020. It hasn't worked because it doesn't work. It never will.
Edited by .TUX. (18 Dec 2016 2.24pm)
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Or closer to £1.8 trillion, depending on the source. As for breaking the £2 billion mark, it'll almost certainly hit that well before 2020. It hasn't worked because it doesn't work. It never will.
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Yup, Brexit hasn't even started yet but already I doubt "out" would win any referendum held today and it doesn't take much to see we are (to quote the old Hank Snow song) heading at 90mph down a dead end street... Tux has a point..much of our problem is deep rooted but we are certainly compounding it big time IMHO...populism has a habit in ending historically in....yes, you got it...failure,empty promises and shattered dreams.
Edited by legaleagle (18 Dec 2016 9.50am) I disagree and believe you are only reading into this what you want, to suit your politics. We will be at the head of the queue to get a trade deal out of the Americans and progress, according to today's press reports, has been made with countries such as South Korea. This is a complex process but it will, in my opinion, be better to have freshly negotiated treaties with countries outside of Europe rather than being shackled to the economically and socially failing EU in the long term. I don't also see you criticising Sturgeon's or Corbyn's 'populism', just that of the (implied rather than express by your posts) right. Why is that?
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There could never be free movement for Turkey it would lead to mass unemployment in the EU the French blocked this at first it was a long time ago but the size of the working population in Turkey makes it untenable so how could that change. Interesting.... Are you saying that the EU are adopting an Animal Farm approach to Freedom of Movement... ie all men/animals are equal, but some more equal than others? The mantra from the EU to us is that there is no compromise on the so called 4 freedoms..... The 'four freedoms' of the European Union are the freedom of movement of goods, people, services and capital over borders. These key principles lie at the heart of the EU and underpin the single market, originally known as the common market. TYpical that the French would block a serious threat to their workers when it suits them. Edited by Hoof Hearted (18 Dec 2016 10.31am)
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H you are ridiculous freedom of movement is a condition of membership of the EU. Turkey is not a member of the EU the mantra you give applies to EU member states.
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Originally posted by chris123
None - they will become irrelevant post Brexit as independence would mean being out of the EU and out of the UK. Thats how we view Scotland and why if I were a Scot I would want to be independent.
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| Hoof Hearted 18 Dec 16 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
H you are ridiculous freedom of movement is a condition of membership of the EU. Turkey is not a member of the EU the mantra you give applies to EU member states. I was responding to your assertion that France had blocked Turkey from joining the EU (or at least that appeared to be what you were saying?). The mantra works in France's favour now, but Turkey joining would upset that cosy situation and they might feel threatened by being over-run by rampant immigration and all that brings with it.... housing shortage, job losses etc.
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
1.96billion - Truly 'eye-watering' figures as a chancellor would say. Too right I remember that period in 1976 well the IMF imposing strict conditions for any more borrowing.
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| Hoof Hearted 18 Dec 16 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Thats how we view Scotland and why if I were a Scot I would want to be independent. Most Scots want to be independent, but the clever ones know what a good deal they get from being a part of UK. They represent just 7% of the UK population. The Barnett formula means they get more "benefits" per head than English people do. Besides, economically they would not be able to sustain their standard of living they enjoy now if they had to rely on themselves to generate the income they need to survive. Oil prices low, the threat of the Royal Navy moving their HQ to Portsmouth/Plymouth rather than Faslane on the Clyde. Sturgeon/Salmond are just opportunists looking out for themselves... they couldn't give a fcuk about the welfare of the Scottish people.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Most Scots want to be independent, but the clever ones know what a good deal they get from being a part of UK. They represent just 7% of the UK population. The Barnett formula means they get more "benefits" per head than English people do. Besides, economically they would not be able to sustain their standard of living they enjoy now if they had to rely on themselves to generate the income they need to survive. Oil prices low, the threat of the Royal Navy moving their HQ to Portsmouth/Plymouth rather than Faslane on the Clyde. Sturgeon/Salmond are just opportunists looking out for themselves... they couldn't give a fcuk about the welfare of the Scottish people. Do you think Farage does?
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I was responding to your assertion that France had blocked Turkey from joining the EU (or at least that appeared to be what you were saying?). The mantra works in France's favour now, but Turkey joining would upset that cosy situation and they might feel threatened by being over-run by rampant immigration and all that brings with it.... housing shortage, job losses etc. Exactly the reasons why Turkey cannot enter the EU - the EU doesn't want them for that very reason.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you think Farage does? I don't know how they can possibly stand being ruled by tory south east england - in a stand-off between some financial security and freedom what will they finally choose?
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It was an observation on the type, Michael. The voice of the privileged left telling people how to vote in the EU Refrendum and the US Elections went down well, didn't it? The majority didn't listen to the likes of Jay Z, Bob Geldof or Ewen McGregor tells them what to do. Why would it be any different with Michael Sheen? It just alienates voters and leaves them polarised from the majority. If you think I am self righteous, I don't care. That is just a smear of your own, in an attempt to pick a fight. Edited by matt_himself (17 Dec 2016 9.59pm) It's hard to take seriously your apparent determination for people to be listened to when you are so quick to assign people to a 'type'. The common vernacular of right v left is pretty unhelpful I think, and it seems to be clouding your judgement. You say you want to leave the EU, even if the consequences don't bring what you hoped for. Why is that? What's the point, then?
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