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 matt_himself  Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I will ask again... do you think a song about shooting and killing gay men should be allowed I mentioned my cousin after 3 pages of "discussion" it was hardly something I mentioned straight away in a rush to get to the moral high ground. Anyone who has friends/family members that are gay will have stories of abuse. There is censorship everywhere in UK... and we seem to be evolving as a society... anyone who thinks there is free speech is deluded. I don't believe that censorship does anything productive or removes a problem, it only makes it go underground. If you take that as 'yes', to your question, then so be it. However, you are refusing to understand the nuance of this. Never mind that you haven't answered my questions. Please could you back up your last paragraph with some examples as it appears very throw away and weak at first glance.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't believe that censorship does anything productive or removes a problem, it only makes it go underground. If you take that as 'yes', to your question, then so be it. However, you are refusing to understand the nuance of this. Never mind that you haven't answered my questions. Please could you back up your last paragraph with some examples as it appears very throw away and weak at first glance. Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone)
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| exitstageright London 13 Mar 16 4.13pm |
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Assuming this is beep, beep, whistle 'music', it should of course be banned.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.15pm |
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Right I'm off to have dinner, then play 5-aside....I wonder if matty boy will answer my question with a yes or no?
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone) I have answered your question. I don't believe in censoring music, if you censor music or scenes they go underground and that is, in my opinion, more damaging than allowing people to produce or play music in the open. Again, you are sounding like a Sun columnist and promoting the idea that there is a black & white answer to your position. Why can you not get what I am saying? Your second paragraph is jibberish.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Right I'm off to have dinner, then play 5-aside....I wonder if matty boy will answer my question with a yes or no?
I wonder if you will answer my question about the ramifications of censorship. I doubt it.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| exitstageright London 13 Mar 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone) How do you shoot someone with a megaphone?
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I wonder if you will answer my question about the ramifications of censorship. I doubt it. To be fair... your answer is more of a few paragraphs and subjective... all I have asked for is a yes or no?
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
How do you shoot someone with a megaphone?
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I wonder if you will answer my question about the ramifications of censorship. I doubt it. p.s. I'm happy with the ramifications of censorship. All of the ramifications, even the really bad ones... Now your turn... Do you think songs about killing gays should be allowed
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| Southampton_Eagle At the after party 13 Mar 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
How do you shoot someone with a megaphone? Loudly & passive aggressively.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
To be fair... your answer is more of a few paragraphs and subjective... all I have asked for is a yes or no?
I have answered your question. Multiple times and there isn't a 'yes' or 'no' answer, in my opinion, there is a broader context that needs addressing. When are you going to answer the question I put to you about the ramifications of censorship? You have ignored that whilst constantly haranguing me. You come over as a bully. When you cannot explain yourself or get the answer you demand, whether the question is answerable or not, you resort to persistent pressure.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I have answered your question. Multiple times and there isn't a 'yes' or 'no' answer, in my opinion, there is a broader context that needs addressing. When are you going to answer the question I put to you about the ramifications of censorship? You have ignored that whilst constantly haranguing me. You come over as a bully. When you cannot explain yourself or get the answer you demand, whether the question is answerable or not, you resort to persistent pressure. I think it is quite a easy question... here I'll show you. Do you think songs about killing gays should be allowed? Me: No. I'm sorry you think I am a bully... I shall not ask you the question again. I shall be back from football about 7... Feel free to ask me any questions about the "ramifications of censorship" I will answer all of them honestly and directly. Caio
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| exitstageright London 13 Mar 16 4.42pm |
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I think we need to have censorship. The problem is where to draw the lines and how to effectively administer it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 16 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
I think we need to have censorship. The problem is where to draw the lines and how to effectively administer it. Well said. This was exactly my point above before all the macho posturing. We have censorship already, it is simply a question of degree. If the Nazis were around today I would expect their rhetoric to be blocked from being aired. I cannot believe the various people claiming there should be no censorship would welcome a lecture on eugenics and how the average Brit should be exterminated before ruining the gene pool.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I think it is quite a easy question... here I'll show you. Do you think songs about killing gays should be allowed? Me: No. I'm sorry you think I am a bully... I shall not ask you the question again. I shall be back from football about 7... Feel free to ask me any questions about the "ramifications of censorship" I will answer all of them honestly and directly. Caio Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you not genuinely understand what I am saying? What I suspect you are doing is trying to get the moral high ground by labelling those with a different view to you as a 'homophobe'. This type of labelling is completely disengious and morally weak. Sadly, it is a creeping reality in Britain at the moment that not opposing censoring some bigots, means you are lumped in their category or portrayed as supporting them when in fact what you are supporting is the concept of a free society. If you wish to live in a censored society, suggest you move to Tehran, Moscow or Beijing and then tell me that the random beatings or murders of minorities doesn't happen. Censorship is not the answer.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Mar 16 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Good job we live in a society where there isn't any censorship already then. Which makes this so mindless. After all, we are all free to talk about how great it would be to have sex with children and blow up other people in the name of our God aren't we? Indeed. The koran is freely available.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 16 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
p.s. I'm happy with the ramifications of censorship. All of the ramifications, even the really bad ones... Now your turn... Do you think songs about killing gays should be allowed I'm not sure that music should be exempt from the kind of restrictions that film and TV have but we have to be careful what we wish for.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well said. This was exactly my point above before all the macho posturing. We have censorship already, it is simply a question of degree. If the Nazis were around today I would expect their rhetoric to be blocked from being aired. I cannot believe the various people claiming there should be no censorship would welcome a lecture on eugenics and how the average Brit should be exterminated before ruining the gene pool. Do you think that in certain Mosques or in the meetings of certain extreme right and left wing groups, that views the mainstream believe to be offensive are not being aired? I say let them air their views and break down their arguments logically.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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