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Originally posted by Kermit8
It was a nasty conflict and no side comes out smelling of roses
I will give McGuinness some credit for unlike Adams, admitting he was in the IRA (even if he lied that he left in 74) and some for being involved in the peace process. To be clear, I have equal contempt for loyalist terrorist organisations
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As long as they are anti-British, the left will find some good in them.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Every time there's a discussion about Northern Ireland the Irish assume a Brit knows nothing about it. Ironic seeing it's part of Britain. Actually Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain which only comprises England, Scotland and wales. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom which to give it's full title is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. :/pedants hat off now:
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
As long as they are anti-British, the left will find some good in them. You've fallen for the left wing aren't patriotic fallacy. Right wing governments have been so patriotic that they've allowed foreign states and companies to run British services.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Actually Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain which only comprises England, Scotland and wales. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom which to give it's full title is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. :/pedants hat off now:
Though bizarrely when working in Dublin or even having discussions with Irish over here, being Welsh is seen as infinitely better than being English, especially when it comes to talking about N Ireland. I never quite understood why, it can't be something as tenuous as the Celtic connection.
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Originally posted by palace777
Ah, the good old black and tans. Idiot
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
As long as they are anti-British, the left will find some good in them. We were an army of occupation in his country. From his point of view I can understand why he would have resisted that occupation. Ultimately the peace process wouldn't happened without his involvement - or for the involvement of his equivalents on the other side. Even Mrs Thatcher recognized that
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
We were an army of occupation in his country. From his point of view I can understand why he would have resisted that occupation. Ultimately the peace process wouldn't happened without his involvement - or for the involvement of his equivalents on the other side. Even Mrs Thatcher recognized that But wasn't it the catholics that asked the British government to help out with troops.?
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Its a complicated matter. McGuiness was a commander in the Provisional IRA, and responsible for acts of terrorism against the UK, but also instrumental in the peace process, that seems to have brought about a stable resolution to a conflict that wasn't necessarily his in the making, or Adams. Realistically, the British military were caught up in a problem that kept escalating, that neither side (Loyalist or Republican) can escape responsibility for causing the problems 'Troubles', and the Army stepped in to initially protect Catholics from Protestant gangs burning them out. All in all, a cluster f**k that no one really comes out looking particularly clean or dandy from.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Though bizarrely when working in Dublin or even having discussions with Irish over here, being Welsh is seen as infinitely better than being English, especially when it comes to talking about N Ireland. I never quite understood why, it can't be something as tenuous as the Celtic connection. Oh it can. As I found out working on various sites as a youngster.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Though bizarrely when working in Dublin or even having discussions with Irish over here, being Welsh is seen as infinitely better than being English, especially when it comes to talking about N Ireland. I never quite understood why, it can't be something as tenuous as the Celtic connection. Correct. It's not the Welsh or Scottish they hate it is the English PERIOD. I see & hear this on a daily basis in NYC. I'm now at that time of the year when St Patrick's Day stuff is getting made & sold & I have to get an Irish friend to sell this crap as I wouldn't get a look in. Ironically If I play on my Scottish ancestry they don't have a problem with it. I will also state for the record most of the Irish I deal with I get on with Its primarily people from Norn Iron....
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Correct. It's not the Welsh or Scottish they hate it is the English PERIOD. I see & hear this on a daily basis in NYC. I'm now at that time of the year when St Patrick's Day stuff is getting made & sold & I have to get an Irish friend to sell this crap as I wouldn't get a look in. Ironically If I play on my Scottish ancestry they don't have a problem with it. I will also state for the record most of the Irish I deal with I get on with Its primarily people from Norn Iron.... Any particular counties in England? What about Monmouthshire, historical sometimes regarded as English, sometimes Welsh. Do they hate everyone in England - you know, black people, muslims etc, as well as the white people, who it goes without saying are hated?
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