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Matov Flag 05 Apr 20 8.28pm

The simple question is can Starmer win Labour a majority in England? Because that is what electoral politics boils down to now?

Effectively he has 4 years before he is put to the ultimate test. Given current events then any and everything is up in the air but if I was him then I would be focused more on assuming full control of the Labour Party first before worrying about the Tories.

Because those Momentum types ain't going to go down without a huge fight and the reality is that they are the ones who can put a lot of boots on the ground when it comes to campaigning. Labour actually need them because they are the driven ones.

The Labour Party conference will be the first time when you can genuinely get a feel for how he is doing. But, and to give credit where it is due, then his initial noises about meeting with the Government and backing stricter isolation measures if required have ticked all the right boxes. Already feels different from how Corbyn would have acted and that can only be a positive.

However, I think there is still a huge chance that Labour may well split. Our FPTP system is the only glue holding it together given the ideological differences between what was its traditional white working class vote and the more Socially Liberal membership that dominates.

The question is can Starmer hold Putney and win back Blythe Valley? Now I am sure he has zero problems with SW15 but up in NE24? That is the conundrum.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 8.49pm

Originally posted by Matov

The simple question is can Starmer win Labour a majority in England? Because that is what electoral politics boils down to now?

Effectively he has 4 years before he is put to the ultimate test. Given current events then any and everything is up in the air but if I was him then I would be focused more on assuming full control of the Labour Party first before worrying about the Tories.

Because those Momentum types ain't going to go down without a huge fight and the reality is that they are the ones who can put a lot of boots on the ground when it comes to campaigning. Labour actually need them because they are the driven ones.

The Labour Party conference will be the first time when you can genuinely get a feel for how he is doing. But, and to give credit where it is due, then his initial noises about meeting with the Government and backing stricter isolation measures if required have ticked all the right boxes. Already feels different from how Corbyn would have acted and that can only be a positive.

However, I think there is still a huge chance that Labour may well split. Our FPTP system is the only glue holding it together given the ideological differences between what was its traditional white working class vote and the more Socially Liberal membership that dominates.

The question is can Starmer hold Putney and win back Blythe Valley? Now I am sure he has zero problems with SW15 but up in NE24? That is the conundrum.

I don"t have much faith in the cons so any slick opposition leader has a chance, just tell lies and hope the gullable believe you, boris was sacked twice over the years for lying, and it didn"t do him any harm, better to just speak the truth and deliver obvs!

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 8.55pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So the new leader of the Labour Party is possibly not adverse to a funny handshake! As I said more Tory than many Tories

He must have gone to the same school as the conservative pm cameron, London mayor boris, and chancellor osborne, in the great Uber scandal a few years ago-its just business apparently!

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Apr 20 9.03pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

He must have gone to the same school as the conservative pm cameron, London mayor boris, and chancellor osborne, in the great Uber scandal a few years ago-its just business apparently!

You seem very protective of the red party.
So anti tory it's quite scary really.
Anyhow diane and McDonnell have gone and let's hope RLB gets binned. Get rid of the ultra left parts of momentum and he might have a party to put up a battle. Centre left would give labour the best chance going forwards. Not in 4 years though.

 

dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 05 Apr 20 9.05pm

If you wanted to be an electable party would you want Momentum to do your campaigning and here lies his biggest problem.....keeping them and the other hard lefties happy and to do this he has got to throw in a few radical policies such as nationalising the railways, water etc.
You mention him backing the Government on tightening up the lockdown restrictions yet this afternoon his deputy Angela Rayner said that they didn’t support the possible exercise change.

 


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beak Flag croydon 05 Apr 20 9.38pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

If you wanted to be an electable party would you want Momentum to do your campaigning and here lies his biggest problem.....keeping them and the other hard lefties happy and to do this he has got to throw in a few radical policies such as nationalising the railways, water etc.
You mention him backing the Government on tightening up the lockdown restrictions yet this afternoon his deputy Angela Rayner said that they didn’t support the possible exercise change.


Railways are a good target for re-nationalisation they could not be run worse!

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Apr 20 9.40pm

Born in Palace territory.. Oxted but is a gooner

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 10.07pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You seem very protective of the red party.
So anti tory it's quite scary really.
Anyhow diane and McDonnell have gone and let's hope RLB gets binned. Get rid of the ultra left parts of momentum and he might have a party to put up a battle. Centre left would give labour the best chance going forwards. Not in 4 years though.

Yes , you are right, a centre left party is the way forward, i don2t actually dislike Boris, just seen the cons do so much skullduggery and get away with it from the press and voters that i like to stick the knife in when i see fit, like the Italian flights and PPE for instance, and would feel the same if corbyn had made same mistakes, but if he had most people on here and the press would crucify him, but when the con leader does it, it goes down as unchartered waters and is to be expected, thats what gets me typing!

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Apr 20 4.14am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Born in Palace territory.. Oxted but is a gooner

No surprise there.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Apr 20 7.40am

Originally posted by cryrst

You seem very protective of the red party.
So anti tory it's quite scary really.
Anyhow diane and McDonnell have gone and let's hope RLB gets binned. Get rid of the ultra left parts of momentum and he might have a party to put up a battle. Centre left would give labour the best chance going forwards. Not in 4 years though.

Isn't Angela Raynor a bit of a leftie? I don't really follow Labour party politics but Starmer is going to have to deal with her.

 


One more point

jeeagles Flag 06 Apr 20 8.36am

Originally posted by Badger11

Isn't Angela Raynor a bit of a leftie? I don't really follow Labour party politics but Starmer is going to have to deal with her.

She lives with Rebecca Long-Bailey, but not as bad as her. My friend, who is a labour councillor and a bit of a momentumn type wanted Raynor as the next leader because they thought politics needed a woman. I pointed out Thatcher and May are both women which bought an awkward silence.

Probably the best way to appease the far left.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Apr 20 8.52am

Originally posted by Badger11


Isn't Angela Raynor a bit of a leftie? I don't really follow Labour party politics but Starmer is going to have to deal with her.

Does the deputy leader actually do anything or is it more ceremonial?

 

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Apr 20 3.01pm

Starmer is in it for the long haul. He's a slow-burner.
Glad he's fcked-off the liabilities that Corbyn surrounded himself with. DA for starters.

And at least Starmer's adhering to social distancing, unlike the PM who is in hospital and the Scottish Health Minister who was caught breaching her own guidance,....twice.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Apr 20 3.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Probably calls him a waank keir.

Not a Private Eye fan?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Apr 20 5.29pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Ha, well basically looks normal compared to boris i guess, but thats not hard, not sure if he will be any good, time will tell but i wont be lumping on at 5/2 just yet!

Give over. He looks like Hannibal Lecter.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Apr 20 5.35pm

Odd that after the word “Gammon” being thrown around they appoint a man who could wear a pineapple hat.

 

JRW2 Flag Dulwich 06 Apr 20 5.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Does the deputy leader actually do anything or is it more ceremonial?

Her predecessor did enough - causing untold misery for several honourable men with his s*it-stirring about alleged child abuse.

 

Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 06 Apr 20 6.46pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Her predecessor did enough - causing untold misery for several honourable men with his s*it-stirring about alleged child abuse.

Totally agree. Watson should be remembered for his disgraceful championing of the crazy fantasist "Nick" who appeared to convince senior policemen (the so-called top level guardians of justice) that fairy tales were true.

Sorry folks, getting off-topic but had to say this. Backed for a peerage by Corbyn too - says it all about that person. Enough for now!

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Apr 20 7.08am

Originally posted by JRW2


Her predecessor did enough - causing untold misery for several honourable men with his s*it-stirring about alleged child abuse.

True but that wasn't something that formed part of his duties as deputy leader of the Labour party

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 Apr 20 1.23pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

He must have gone to the same school as the conservative pm cameron, London mayor boris, and chancellor osborne, in the great Uber scandal a few years ago-its just business apparently!

Not far off attended the Independent Reigate Grammar, followed by University of Leeds and St Edmund Hall Oxford.
As I said more Tory than many Tories

 

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