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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 23 Feb 21 9.58am
Originally posted by palace99 i agree, i was embarrassed too - we couldn't string 2 passes together for most of the game. Yes we were inferior but we shouldn't be - almost all of those players are on £50k plus a week so should be able to pass and move etc. We also need a tactic to attack. Eze was played more centrally in a no 10 position - he looked bemused and had no impact on the game. I thought that's where he played for QPR. If we play the same tactics we will lose most games. We had loads of luck last night. Even Benteke's great goal was because he was merely lingering at the back post rather than making an attempt to attack the cross Tekkers was being marked on the edge of the box then he peeled away to the back post, Brighton were banking on Andros sending over one of his s*** crosses, but for once he found our man.... 2-1 have it!
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Originally posted by palace99

i agree, i was embarrassed too - we couldn't string 2 passes together for most of the game.

Yes we were inferior but we shouldn't be - almost all of those players are on £50k plus a week so should be able to pass and move etc.
We also need a tactic to attack. Eze was played more centrally in a no 10 position - he looked bemused and had no impact on the game. I thought that's where he played for QPR.

If we play the same tactics we will lose most games. We had loads of luck last night. Even Benteke's great goal was because he was merely lingering at the back post rather than making an attempt to attack the cross

Tekkers was being marked on the edge of the box then he peeled away to the back post, Brighton were banking on Andros sending over one of his s*** crosses, but for once he found our man.... 2-1 have it!

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The Heath Eagle Thornton Heath 23 Feb 21 10.11am
It only takes a second to score a goal.
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Thornton Heath 23 Feb 21 10.11am

It only takes a second to score a goal.

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Rogers Don Horsham 23 Feb 21 10.12am
Roy has just said on Sky Sports that he was pleased with the set up. Really? Without a world class performance from Cahill we would have lost heavily. It was embarasing to watch, especially Eze's performance, who Roy is squeezing the flair out of. Let's keep the ball this season!
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Horsham 23 Feb 21 10.12am

Roy has just said on Sky Sports that he was pleased with the set up. Really? Without a world class performance from Cahill we would have lost heavily. It was embarasing to watch, especially Eze's performance, who Roy is squeezing the flair out of.

Let's keep the ball this season!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 21 10.19am
At least the players tried. That's about all we need to stay up. Our tactics and execution were terrible. But Brighton just can't score. You can see how we lost 3-0 to Burnley. What's hilarious is that you could say our strikers were clinical. It's been a while since that could be said. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 21 10.19am

At least the players tried. That's about all we need to stay up. Our tactics and execution were terrible. But Brighton just can't score. You can see how we lost 3-0 to Burnley. What's hilarious is that you could say our strikers were clinical. It's been a while since that could be said.

Red and Blue Army!

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 23 Feb 21 11.36am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch It is of course, and Hodgson has to be given credit here. The tactics worked. I mean they are the same tactic every week, but they worked. However surely none of us want to continue with this? It was very sad seeing us torn to shreds like that last night, the football we were playing was soul destroying. It seemed to me that it was a match up between the football forces of good against evil. Evil prevailed last night. A guy on NSC agrees with you called it ‘triumph of evil over good’
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Banstead Surrey 23 Feb 21 11.36am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

It is of course, and Hodgson has to be given credit here. The tactics worked. I mean they are the same tactic every week, but they worked.

However surely none of us want to continue with this? It was very sad seeing us torn to shreds like that last night, the football we were playing was soul destroying.

It seemed to me that it was a match up between the football forces of good against evil. Evil prevailed last night.

A guy on NSC agrees with you called it ‘triumph of evil over good’

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taylors lovechild 23 Feb 21 11.40am
What I would say is embarrassing is how we had two shots on target and they both went in, with first Mateta and then Bentenke making mugs of Brighton's so-called 'great defence'. It is the one game where I imagine neither set of supporters gives a flip how you win, just that you win In fact, it almost makes it more hilarious - rather than embarrassing - that we have won in this manner! If we do the same for the remainder of the season then we can go back to complaining, but for now let's just savour that sweet 95th minute ecstasy.
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What I would say is embarrassing is how we had two shots on target and they both went in, with first Mateta and then Bentenke making mugs of Brighton's so-called 'great defence'. It is the one game where I imagine neither set of supporters gives a flip how you win, just that you win In fact, it almost makes it more hilarious - rather than embarrassing - that we have won in this manner! If we do the same for the remainder of the season then we can go back to complaining, but for now let's just savour that sweet 95th minute ecstasy.

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TheBigToePunt 23 Feb 21 12.34pm
I'm not sure where the embarrassment comes into it. The bigger picture is that whilst one might be frustrated, fed up and bored with watching us play football, the evidence increasingly shows that anti-football is an effective strategy for a club with a budget in the lowest third of the league, whilst possession football, or open attacking football (not the same thing) are very far from proven to work for anyone in that same financial bracket. I'm not embarrassed that we realise that and Brighton don't. I wish it wasn't so, and hope that we will find a way to do it differently, but that's another matter. On last night alone, we certainly stole the win but let's not forget that before Benteke scored we had already earned, through our system and performance, the draw we went there to get. That's the draw that would have kept us three points ahead of them, and them 16th to our 13th, with us missing several key players and them in good recent form. I wasn't embarrassed by how we played at all. Bored and frustrated perhaps, but see above.
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23 Feb 21 12.34pm

I'm not sure where the embarrassment comes into it.

The bigger picture is that whilst one might be frustrated, fed up and bored with watching us play football, the evidence increasingly shows that anti-football is an effective strategy for a club with a budget in the lowest third of the league, whilst possession football, or open attacking football (not the same thing) are very far from proven to work for anyone in that same financial bracket. I'm not embarrassed that we realise that and Brighton don't. I wish it wasn't so, and hope that we will find a way to do it differently, but that's another matter.

On last night alone, we certainly stole the win but let's not forget that before Benteke scored we had already earned, through our system and performance, the draw we went there to get. That's the draw that would have kept us three points ahead of them, and them 16th to our 13th, with us missing several key players and them in good recent form. I wasn't embarrassed by how we played at all. Bored and frustrated perhaps, but see above.

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Elwissthebest Marlborough 23 Feb 21 12.54pm
There's no simple answer. RH is absolutely correct that high possession stats don't mean a thing if you lose and people are right to wonder whether playing anti-football is enough. That's another three points closer to another season of...well, what? Playing another season in the top flight even if the product is excruciating to watch? Last night's match was rather like a cup-tie in which we looked like the team from the lower division that steals it at the death. Thank heavens Townsend hadn't been subbed and that Benteke was introduced. Massive shift from Cahill. On Sunday, Fulham will pass all around us. Enjoyable to watch? Surely not. A win's all that matters? Yes and no. It depends what you think watching football is for. Entertainment? Something more important than that?
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Marlborough 23 Feb 21 12.54pm

There's no simple answer. RH is absolutely correct that high possession stats don't mean a thing if you lose and people are right to wonder whether playing anti-football is enough.
That's another three points closer to another season of...well, what? Playing another season in the top flight even if the product is excruciating to watch? Last night's match was rather like a cup-tie in which we looked like the team from the lower division that steals it at the death.
Thank heavens Townsend hadn't been subbed and that Benteke was introduced. Massive shift from Cahill.
On Sunday, Fulham will pass all around us. Enjoyable to watch? Surely not. A win's all that matters? Yes and no. It depends what you think watching football is for. Entertainment? Something more important than that?

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thai-eagle chiang mai 23 Feb 21 12.55pm
It is amazing our lot has collected 32 points. Because the last couple of games has been absolute rubbish - our players can hardly string two passes together. Now I am pretty sure we will avoid relegation this season, but the coming months and summer will decide for how long. With this old-boys team, we will not last an other season in the money league. But do we have the resources (and will) to make us competitive? Our display last night (and vs Burnley & Leeds) was hardly Divsion 1 standard.
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chiang mai 23 Feb 21 12.55pm

It is amazing our lot has collected 32 points. Because the last couple of games has been absolute rubbish - our players can hardly string two passes together. Now I am pretty sure we will avoid relegation this season, but the coming months and summer will decide for how long.
With this old-boys team, we will not last an other season in the money league. But do we have the resources (and will) to make us competitive? Our display last night (and vs Burnley & Leeds) was hardly Divsion 1 standard.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 21 1.02pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch It is of course, and Hodgson has to be given credit here. The tactics worked. I mean they are the same tactic every week, but they worked. However surely none of us want to continue with this? It was very sad seeing us torn to shreds like that last night, the football we were playing was soul destroying. It seemed to me that it was a match up between the football forces of good against evil. Evil prevailed last night. Only the deluded or stupid will fail to see this. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 Feb 21 1.02pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

It is of course, and Hodgson has to be given credit here. The tactics worked. I mean they are the same tactic every week, but they worked.

However surely none of us want to continue with this? It was very sad seeing us torn to shreds like that last night, the football we were playing was soul destroying.

It seemed to me that it was a match up between the football forces of good against evil. Evil prevailed last night.

Only the deluded or stupid will fail to see this.

COYP

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HKOwen Hong Kong 23 Feb 21 1.03pm
Some people are never happy, what's embarrassing is quoting the stat, what is the point, what is the OP trying to prove, he can read stats FFS. We have 4 pts, Brighton have 1pt from the two games. As RH said post match, there are no prizes for possession, corners etc, only goals count. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 23 Feb 21 1.03pm

Some people are never happy, what's embarrassing is quoting the stat, what is the point, what is the OP trying to prove, he can read stats FFS.

We have 4 pts, Brighton have 1pt from the two games.

As RH said post match, there are no prizes for possession, corners etc, only goals count.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 21 1.13pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt I'm not sure where the embarrassment comes into it. The bigger picture is that whilst one might be frustrated, fed up and bored with watching us play football, the evidence increasingly shows that anti-football is an effective strategy for a club with a budget in the lowest third of the league, whilst possession football, or open attacking football (not the same thing) are very far from proven to work for anyone in that same financial bracket. I'm not embarrassed that we realise that and Brighton don't. I wish it wasn't so, and hope that we will find a way to do it differently, but that's another matter. On last night alone, we certainly stole the win but let's not forget that before Benteke scored we had already earned, through our system and performance, the draw we went there to get. That's the draw that would have kept us three points ahead of them, and them 16th to our 13th, with us missing several key players and them in good recent form. I wasn't embarrassed by how we played at all. Bored and frustrated perhaps, but see above. We need to do a bit more than a few shots or touches in the opposition box every month or two. Not looking for Potterball before it’s possible, and when we do pass it around we wait for the opposition to all get behind the ball so we have everyone behind the ball just further up the pitch. It’s understandable for some of the matches but not all 38. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 Feb 21 1.13pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm not sure where the embarrassment comes into it.

The bigger picture is that whilst one might be frustrated, fed up and bored with watching us play football, the evidence increasingly shows that anti-football is an effective strategy for a club with a budget in the lowest third of the league, whilst possession football, or open attacking football (not the same thing) are very far from proven to work for anyone in that same financial bracket. I'm not embarrassed that we realise that and Brighton don't. I wish it wasn't so, and hope that we will find a way to do it differently, but that's another matter.

We need to do a bit more than a few shots or touches in the opposition box every month or two. Not looking for Potterball before it’s possible, and when we do pass it around we wait for the opposition to all get behind the ball so we have everyone behind the ball just further up the pitch. It’s understandable for some of the matches but not all 38.

COYP

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