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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 22 Jun 22 12.37pm

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the main stand is a cow shed, an eye-sore, I feel deeply offended every time I look at it - it deters us from buying serious footballers, it's complicated and there are risks, but it could be sold to Croydon Airport as a hangar fo bi-planes and other propeller-driven aircraft - "main stand can you hear me? in the name of God go!"

 

JRW2 Flag Dulwich 22 Jun 22 1.38pm

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

A big stadium is not a guarantee against financial and sporting meltdown; ask Sunderland or Leeds.

............or Darlington. Built a new ground in 2003 and went into administration in 2003, 2006 and 2009!

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 22 Jun 22 3.15pm

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Hopefully its all sorted, but if not we should hold a meeting in the shop an hour before the store closes, bring the HF and drum, everybody welcome, just to get the ball rolling, make it an hour earlier every game!

 

orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 13 Jul 22 2.04pm

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Being suggested in a few places that planning permission on the new stand has now lapsed so as I said some while ago this is not happening any time soon

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 22 2.07pm

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On its way since 1861 or 1905 - you choose.

 


Red and Blue Army!

OldFella Flag London 13 Jul 22 2.36pm

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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Being suggested in a few places that planning permission on the new stand has now lapsed so as I said some while ago this is not happening any time soon

Yes, it has now lapsed. And, as we have not "broken ground", we now have to re-apply. Even assuming a similar Design and Access statement, the process is likely in practice to take a further year.

 


Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Jul 22 2.44pm

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Originally posted by OldFella

Yes, it has now lapsed. And, as we have not "broken ground", we now have to re-apply. Even assuming a similar Design and Access statement, the process is likely in practice to take a further year.

We have a broken ground

I still love it nonetheless!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jul 22 3.37pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Key word 'maybe'.

Perhaps this could be a rare occasion where you are right on Palace talk.

It would be very rare wouldn't it.

Big construction projects have indexation built in for almost all cases.

Four types of index are widely used in construction:

• Resource cost indices
• Tender price indices
• Output price indices
• General inflation indices

In most cases of huge over-run there is also another set of factors, claims. It's an industry in itself

Claims commonly arise between the parties to construction contracts as a result of problems such as delays, changes, unforeseen circumstances, insufficient information and conflicts.

Claims might be made for things such as loss and expense, extension of time and liquidated damages.

There will just about always be claims made. You simply can't fully predict what will happen during build and clients do tend to add elements or change their minds.

 

brides Flag Arnside . Lake District 13 Jul 22 5.21pm

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this just been released, sorry if posted elsewhere:-


The planning permission for Crystal Palace to redevelop their main stand in a £100million project at Selhurst Park has lapsed – leaving the club to go through a costly re-application process, or to continue to play their games in one of the smallest capacity stadiums in the Premier League.

Chairman Steve Parish and the club were granted planning permission by Croydon Council in April 2018 to rebuild the main stand. Under the proposals, the stadium capacity was to be increased by almost 10,000, to 34,259.

But to fulfil its plans, the football club needed to acquire land and property from its near neighbours, including seven houses – six of them council-owned – on Wooderson Close, which backs on to the current main stand.

The Wooderson Close residents have been enduring uncertainty over their homes’ futures for four years, a situation which now seems likely to continue for some time yet.

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 13 Jul 22 5.55pm

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What a surprise.
The planning system in this country is woeful and is causing massive housing shortage issues. It is slow outdated and anything but straight….forward.
Croydon would appear to be a fine example of national problems.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 13 Jul 22 6.14pm

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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

What a surprise.
The planning system in this country is woeful and is causing massive housing shortage issues. It is slow outdated and anything but straight….forward.
Croydon would appear to be a fine example of national problems.


Nothing to do with planning system.

Housing shortage is due to house builders controlling the market which on purpose they want the prices high due to massive profits they make in doing so.

This is all on Palace they should have acted years ago and can't keep blaming other factors they had permission.

The prices for construction have increased as well again clubs fault for waiting.

 


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deleted 25 Flag 13 Jul 22 7.30pm

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Boycott sainsburys?

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Edited by Vincehair (13 Jul 2022 7.31pm)

 

m/k mick Flag milton keynes 13 Jul 22 7.55pm

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“Palace should have acted years ago”, you been asleep, Sainsbury won’t play ball, and a little thing called covid happened, with all of the financial complications that caused, we may have been slow, but personally I am more than pleased with Parish and co

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Jul 22 8.29pm

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I’m sure all they needed to do was break ground, pour a few footings, get building control to pass them, cover them over and the planning permission is open ended.
I think that’s how it works domestically. Maybe commercial/industrial is different?

 

Terry Ven Flag 13 Jul 22 8.54pm

This is all so predictable; we don't need a stupid great unaffordable vanity project stand that completely mismatches the rest of the ground. We need a two deck stand that matches the Holmesdale which will increase capacity, not bankrupt the club (again) and not require buying Sainsbury's carpark. Or am I just being too bloody sensible?

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Jul 22 9.12pm

Originally posted by Terry Ven

This is all so predictable; we don't need a stupid great unaffordable vanity project stand that completely mismatches the rest of the ground. We need a two deck stand that matches the Holmesdale which will increase capacity, not bankrupt the club (again) and not require buying Sainsbury's carpark. Or am I just being too bloody sensible?

Make it a 3 tier stand and chuck in a 2 tier white horse bringing up to 40 000 and i will back your idea captain!

 

orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 13 Jul 22 9.51pm

I said all along that this would never happen. I was told I was wrong and that the money was sitting in a special account and any day now all would begin.

Face up to it. Of we wanted to build a new stand or even a hole stadium, had we really really wanted it it would have been built. Forget the tosh about land in London. Spurs Arsenal and Brentford have done it.

This is all a bit Simon Jordanesque spin to cover up that we have a knackered old ground and not enough cash it do it up and stay competitive in the top division.

But hey we don't have a shiny new stand but at least rwe have a ground with character.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Jul 22 9.57pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I said all along that this would never happen. I was told I was wrong and that the money was sitting in a special account and any day now all would begin.

Face up to it. Of we wanted to build a new stand or even a hole stadium, had we really really wanted it it would have been built. Forget the tosh about land in London. Spurs Arsenal and Brentford have done it.

This is all a bit Simon Jordanesque spin to cover up that we have a knackered old ground and not enough cash it do it up and stay competitive in the top division.

But hey we don't have a shiny new stand but at least rwe have a ground with character.

Yup, Mickey Mouse

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jul 22 10.32pm

Originally posted by brides

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this just been released, sorry if posted elsewhere:-


The planning permission for Crystal Palace to redevelop their main stand in a £100million project at Selhurst Park has lapsed – leaving the club to go through a costly re-application process, or to continue to play their games in one of the smallest capacity stadiums in the Premier League.

Chairman Steve Parish and the club were granted planning permission by Croydon Council in April 2018 to rebuild the main stand. Under the proposals, the stadium capacity was to be increased by almost 10,000, to 34,259.

But to fulfil its plans, the football club needed to acquire land and property from its near neighbours, including seven houses – six of them council-owned – on Wooderson Close, which backs on to the current main stand.

The Wooderson Close residents have been enduring uncertainty over their homes’ futures for four years, a situation which now seems likely to continue for some time yet.

Inside Croydon is full of sh*t, not impressed you have cut and pasted that here.

The Section 106 wasn’t signed before the new London Plan came into force, apparently due to a breakdown in relations with Croydon Council that have now been resolved.

A Section 106 is a legal agreement between an applicant seeking planning permission and the local planning authority, which is used to mitigate the impact of the new building on the local community and infrastructure.

It is likely a Compulsory Purchase Order will be served on Sainsbury’s if necessary.

The planning application didn’t lapse but a new one will now need to be put in, as the terms set out in the 2018 planning application do not comply with the London Plan adopted in 2021.

I feel zero sympathy for the Wooderson Close residents for many reasons, not least they moved there knowing they were in the shadow of a ble*ding great big stadium. Hard to miss really. And never likely to stand still at least figuratively and possibly also literally by all accounts

Edited by Mapletree (13 Jul 2022 10.34pm)

 

Casual Flag Orpington 13 Jul 22 10.33pm

I’d love us to build an expensive new stand, so it means we stay where we are and don’t end up in godstone/caterham or somewhere miles away.

 

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