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Dubai Eagle 02 Sep 22 8.42am
We have a good first team when everyone is fit & able to play - once we get below that we have a couple of players who are of the same / similar level, however below that we have quite a few more that are not, in short we don't have the strength in depth needed to be confident of safety this season, which is one of the reasons that clubs reinforce their playing staff every year whenever possible - its my belief that injuries & suspensions will be our undoing this year - Originally posted by berlinpalace Exactly this. Only 11 games until the World Cup. Truth is that this squad is good enough until the end of the year and we don't want to waste a lot of money now not knowing what we will need in January.

Dubai Eagle

02 Sep 22 8.42am

We have a good first team when everyone is fit & able to play - once we get below that we have a couple of players who are of the same / similar level, however below that we have quite a few more that are not, in short we don't have the strength in depth needed to be confident of safety this season, which is one of the reasons that clubs reinforce their playing staff every year whenever possible - its my belief that injuries & suspensions will be our undoing this year -

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Exactly this. Only 11 games until the World Cup. Truth is that this squad is good enough until the end of the year and we don't want to waste a lot of money now not knowing what we will need in January.

Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 02 Sep 22 8.48am
Agreed we don't splash the cash but remember we have been in administration twice in the last 30 years or so. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe any of the other current EPL teams have been in administration once. However, I would add that we did need extra bodies in the case of injuries. If this current 11 stayed superfit all season I wouldn't worry about anything and enjoy the ride. But if Schlupp has a bad injury Luka could be a regular starter (don't know why Hughes is seemingly being overlooked).

Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 02 Sep 22 8.48am

Agreed we don't splash the cash but remember we have been in administration twice in the last 30 years or so. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe any of the other current EPL teams have been in administration once.

However, I would add that we did need extra bodies in the case of injuries. If this current 11 stayed superfit all season I wouldn't worry about anything and enjoy the ride. But if Schlupp has a bad injury Luka could be a regular starter (don't know why Hughes is seemingly being overlooked).

Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 02 Sep 22 8.51am
Originally posted by doombear Sorry Dolphin but this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. Until Forest set the new record this window, Palace held it when we brought in 18 players in the summer window after being promoted 9 years ago. A year ago, almost to the day, Forest were bottom of the Championship and rather like us surprised everyone including themselves by getting promoted. It should also be noted that 15 players (including 7 loanees who had to go back to their parent clubs) left Forest in this last window. Definitely snookered Dolphin there.

Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 02 Sep 22 8.51am

Originally posted by doombear

Sorry Dolphin but this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. Until Forest set the new record this window, Palace held it when we brought in 18 players in the summer window after being promoted 9 years ago.

A year ago, almost to the day, Forest were bottom of the Championship and rather like us surprised everyone including themselves by getting promoted. It should also be noted that 15 players (including 7 loanees who had to go back to their parent clubs) left Forest in this last window.

Definitely snookered Dolphin there.

taylors lovechild 02 Sep 22 9.04am
I feel a bit disappointed, even though I told myself not to get suckered into the usual suspects saying "2-3 signings by deadline" which has proven unfounded time and again. The news went very quiet about a week ago which should really have told us all we needed to know. It seems from what reports there were that we were going for Gallagher, AWB, Sarr and Edwards. Three of those the clubs decided they didn't want to sell. With Edwards their chairman has said he insisted on having him back on loan and wanted more money. That doesn't sound like a great deal for us given our limited resources and we'd have been no better off this season. Also, it seems unlikely his value will go up in League One. Maybe Chelsea and United strung us along, maybe Sarr was too expensive (I like him but he's not really a 25m+ player at the moment). We'll probably never know. I do think the club probably wants to avoid burdening the wage bill with high earners, which might have also been an issue in attracting more high profile names. It's all speculation now. In terms of positives at least we have Doucoure who looks like a star in the making. I also like the look of Ebiowei, even though he's down the pecking order. If Wilf, Olise and Eze all stay fit they'll provide us with entertainment. Maybe one or two of the youngsters may even step up and be the next AWB or Mitchell.

taylors lovechild

02 Sep 22 9.04am

I feel a bit disappointed, even though I told myself not to get suckered into the usual suspects saying "2-3 signings by deadline" which has proven unfounded time and again.

The news went very quiet about a week ago which should really have told us all we needed to know. It seems from what reports there were that we were going for Gallagher, AWB, Sarr and Edwards. Three of those the clubs decided they didn't want to sell. With Edwards their chairman has said he insisted on having him back on loan and wanted more money. That doesn't sound like a great deal for us given our limited resources and we'd have been no better off this season. Also, it seems unlikely his value will go up in League One.

Maybe Chelsea and United strung us along, maybe Sarr was too expensive (I like him but he's not really a 25m+ player at the moment). We'll probably never know. I do think the club probably wants to avoid burdening the wage bill with high earners, which might have also been an issue in attracting more high profile names. It's all speculation now.

In terms of positives at least we have Doucoure who looks like a star in the making. I also like the look of Ebiowei, even though he's down the pecking order. If Wilf, Olise and Eze all stay fit they'll provide us with entertainment. Maybe one or two of the youngsters may even step up and be the next AWB or Mitchell.

Dubai Eagle 02 Sep 22 9.12am
unfortunately the cleaner was too busy with other stuff. Originally posted by babylonjohn Err Whats happened? Did Dougie go away on holiday and leave the cleaner in charge ?

Dubai Eagle

02 Sep 22 9.12am

unfortunately the cleaner was too busy with other stuff.

Originally posted by babylonjohn

Err Whats happened? Did Dougie go away on holiday and leave the cleaner in charge ?

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Sep 22 9.20am
Originally posted by babylonjohn Err Whats happened? Did Dougie go away on holiday and leave the cleaner in charge ? I think last summer showed that when Dougie is given money he can land our targets. Blame the board. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Sep 22 9.20am

Originally posted by babylonjohn

Err Whats happened? Did Dougie go away on holiday and leave the cleaner in charge ?

I think last summer showed that when Dougie is given money he can land our targets. Blame the board.

One more point

becky over the moon 02 Sep 22 9.22am
Originally posted by The Dolphin I am sure that the transfer team tried hard but sadly we have been left weakened by our lack of activity. I hope that teams like Forest get relegated because I dislike their kind of activity but other rivals appear - on the face of it - to have bought wisely and have strengthened whilst we have stood still. Without doubt we needed a new midfielder and maybe a forward - the rest is fine. The other point is that the team sometimes needs a bit of a boost with a new arrival. I firmly believe that we put too many eggs in the Gallagher basket only to be foiled at the last minute. I also believe - and said so weeks ago - that Gilmour would have been a good fit for us but instead he has gone to Brighton. Time will tell whether that will work but I suspect he is an astute purchase for them. Our main midfield central pairing of Eze and Schlupp in front of Duocoure (who is brilliant by the way) - is not equipped to deal with this League game after game and so, unless Jmac is due back soon and fighting fit for the season then we will be very weak all the way to January. I hope to be proved wrong and eat much humble pie of course! The levels of interest/discussion on Hol does not necessarily reflect those of the management....... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 02 Sep 22 9.22am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I am sure that the transfer team tried hard but sadly we have been left weakened by our lack of activity.
I hope that teams like Forest get relegated because I dislike their kind of activity but other rivals appear - on the face of it - to have bought wisely and have strengthened whilst we have stood still.
Without doubt we needed a new midfielder and maybe a forward - the rest is fine.
The other point is that the team sometimes needs a bit of a boost with a new arrival.
I firmly believe that we put too many eggs in the Gallagher basket only to be foiled at the last minute.
I also believe - and said so weeks ago - that Gilmour would have been a good fit for us but instead he has gone to Brighton.
Time will tell whether that will work but I suspect he is an astute purchase for them.
Our main midfield central pairing of Eze and Schlupp in front of Duocoure (who is brilliant by the way) - is not equipped to deal with this League game after game and so, unless Jmac is due back soon and fighting fit for the season then we will be very weak all the way to January.
I hope to be proved wrong and eat much humble pie of course!

The levels of interest/discussion on Hol does not necessarily reflect those of the management.......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

MrRobbo Chaldon 02 Sep 22 9.28am
Originally posted by PatrickA To take an objective view of the window and be critical doesn't make you a bad fan or lead to be condemned as needing to go and support another team. We have gaps in the squad which have not been addressed. I'm not suggesting we overpay but we have missed out in the past through haggling over e.g Watkins (10m at the time) and Downes (2m at the time). We were supposedly at it again last night with Edwards and had the Peterborough owner outlining our approach. You can argue it's all about good negotiation, but if you've done your due diligence and are convinced of a player's potential and fit for the club it's not effective negotiation if you don't end up getting the target. Last year we did very well in the market but in my view this year we have not. Completely agree. We haven't got money to waste so we need the be sensible. To be fair I wont lose sleep over Edwards. Good, useful money for a league 1 team. But he wont be in the first team so wouldn't have made an immediate impact. The 2 that I'm still surprised about is Aouar - if there was any truth in the fee mentioned, and the fact that there are connections to the club it 'could' have happened. If Eze gets injured we are lacking in central creativity. Gilmore - at 9m it feels like good business for a young, industrious midfielder. We still have a good first team, but are 1 injury away from Luka playing, which isn't a comforting thought. And not offering Kouyate a 2 year contract now looks like a bad move.

MrRobbo

Chaldon 02 Sep 22 9.28am

Originally posted by PatrickA

To take an objective view of the window and be critical doesn't make you a bad fan or lead to be condemned as needing to go and support another team.
We have gaps in the squad which have not been addressed.
I'm not suggesting we overpay but we have missed out in the past through haggling over e.g Watkins (10m at the time) and Downes (2m at the time).
We were supposedly at it again last night with Edwards and had the Peterborough owner outlining our approach.
You can argue it's all about good negotiation, but if you've done your due diligence and are convinced of a player's potential and fit for the club it's not effective negotiation if you don't end up getting the target.
Last year we did very well in the market but in my view this year we have not.

Completely agree. We haven't got money to waste so we need the be sensible.

To be fair I wont lose sleep over Edwards. Good, useful money for a league 1 team. But he wont be in the first team so wouldn't have made an immediate impact.

The 2 that I'm still surprised about is

Aouar - if there was any truth in the fee mentioned, and the fact that there are connections to the club it 'could' have happened. If Eze gets injured we are lacking in central creativity.

Gilmore - at 9m it feels like good business for a young, industrious midfielder.

We still have a good first team, but are 1 injury away from Luka playing, which isn't a comforting thought. And not offering Kouyate a 2 year contract now looks like a bad move.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Sep 22 9.36am
Like many, I'm disappointed we weren't able to strengthen the squad further but it is what it is, and we now have to get behind the squad, the chairman, Dougie and PV. NINE PL clubs spent over 100m pounds during this last window. We simply can't compete with that kind of spending power, especially if the inflated prices seen become the benchmark for future windows, which leads me on to what can our strategy be? We haven't spent 20m on the Academy just to look good. This last window has seen more youngsters out on loan than I can remember. Some of them, such as Rak-Sakyi, Plange and Adamarola, might come back from their loans better equipped to risk in the PL squad. Others may need further loans or be sold to raise funds for our own transfer business. It is noteworthy IMO that we have loaned out 10 of our U21s and the rest of that squad has started their league season well and are currently joint top with Arsenal (same goal difference and same goals scored etc.) That bodes well for the future. It will be interesting to see how well youngsters on the fringe of the 1st team squad develop this year.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Sep 22 9.36am

Like many, I'm disappointed we weren't able to strengthen the squad further but it is what it is, and we now have to get behind the squad, the chairman, Dougie and PV.

NINE PL clubs spent over 100m pounds during this last window. We simply can't compete with that kind of spending power, especially if the inflated prices seen become the benchmark for future windows, which leads me on to what can our strategy be?

We haven't spent 20m on the Academy just to look good. This last window has seen more youngsters out on loan than I can remember. Some of them, such as Rak-Sakyi, Plange and Adamarola, might come back from their loans better equipped to risk in the PL squad. Others may need further loans or be sold to raise funds for our own transfer business.

It is noteworthy IMO that we have loaned out 10 of our U21s and the rest of that squad has started their league season well and are currently joint top with Arsenal (same goal difference and same goals scored etc.) That bodes well for the future.

It will be interesting to see how well youngsters on the fringe of the 1st team squad develop this year.

Charlie Croker Hampshire 02 Sep 22 9.42am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Agreed we don't splash the cash but remember we have been in administration twice in the last 30 years or so. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe any of the other current EPL teams have been in administration once. Actually 5 clubs, including CPFC: Bournemouth 1997 & 2008 Leicester 2002 Leeds 2007 Southampton 2009 I did have to look that lot up, as I'd forgotten about Bournemouth & Southampton. There was talk of Everton being in dire financial straits last year, but either that was BS or they've managed to find a load of cash from somewhere - probably the Richarlison deal - to allow them to spend a bit. “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

Charlie Croker

Hampshire 02 Sep 22 9.42am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Actually 5 clubs, including CPFC:
Bournemouth 1997 & 2008
Leicester 2002
Leeds 2007
Southampton 2009

I did have to look that lot up, as I'd forgotten about Bournemouth & Southampton. There was talk of Everton being in dire financial straits last year, but either that was BS or they've managed to find a load of cash from somewhere - probably the Richarlison deal - to allow them to spend a bit.

“My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

Charlie Croker Hampshire 02 Sep 22 9.45am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Definitely snookered Dolphin there. “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

Charlie Croker

Hampshire 02 Sep 22 9.45am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Definitely snookered Dolphin there.

HeathMan Purley 02 Sep 22 9.50am
Not worried. Almost a whole team out on loan. Icing on cake would be a loan to Chelsea.

HeathMan

Purley 02 Sep 22 9.50am

Not worried. Almost a whole team out on loan. Icing on cake would be a loan to Chelsea.

The Dolphin 02 Sep 22 11.56am
Was it really that many? Still doesn't stop me hoping they get relegated!

The Dolphin

02 Sep 22 11.56am

Was it really that many?
Still doesn't stop me hoping they get relegated!

The Dolphin 02 Sep 22 11.57am
Just checked and it was 17 players. No idea why I didn't realise

The Dolphin

02 Sep 22 11.57am

Just checked and it was 17 players.
No idea why I didn't realise

BelfastEagle 02 Sep 22 1.07pm
So more double talk from PV who is clearly thinking he must follow the party line. Last week he stated that we needed several more players as the squad was small. Now it’s all good and he is happy with what he has. Now it can’t be both can it lol

BelfastEagle

02 Sep 22 1.07pm

So more double talk from PV who is clearly thinking he must follow the party line. Last week he stated that we needed several more players as the squad was small. Now it’s all good and he is happy with what he has. Now it can’t be both can it lol

taylors lovechild 02 Sep 22 1.33pm
I think Vieira helped provide some insight when he said: “It’s good because players who are here know they’re here and players who are not know they’re not here"

taylors lovechild

02 Sep 22 1.33pm

I think Vieira helped provide some insight when he said:

“It’s good because players who are here know they’re here and players who are not know they’re not here"

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 02 Sep 22 1.33pm
Originally posted by BelfastEagle So more double talk from PV who is clearly thinking he must follow the party line. Last week he stated that we needed several more players as the squad was small. Now it’s all good and he is happy with what he has. Now it can’t be both can it lol He's got enough to work with but if injuries take their toll we'll be in trouble. Best news is that Zaha stays and Decoure looks pretty decent. Are we still open for a loan ... or did that also close at 23.00 last night? Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 02 Sep 22 1.33pm

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

He's got enough to work with but if injuries take their toll we'll be in trouble. Best news is that Zaha stays and Decoure looks pretty decent. Are we still open for a loan ... or did that also close at 23.00 last night?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

lefty27 ipswich 02 Sep 22 2.52pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo Completely agree. We haven't got money to waste so we need the be sensible. To be fair I wont lose sleep over Edwards. Good, useful money for a league 1 team. But he wont be in the first team so wouldn't have made an immediate impact. The 2 that I'm still surprised about is Aouar - if there was any truth in the fee mentioned, and the fact that there are connections to the club it 'could' have happened. If Eze gets injured we are lacking in central creativity. Gilmore - at 9m it feels like good business for a young, industrious midfielder. We still have a good first team, but are 1 injury away from Luka playing, which isn't a comforting thought. And not offering Kouyate a 2 year contract now looks like a bad move. I heard on the athletic podcast (maybe) that Aouar is sitting his contract out and will probably go somewhere with champions league football next season, Gilmore was terrible for Norwich last season.

lefty27

ipswich 02 Sep 22 2.52pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Completely agree. We haven't got money to waste so we need the be sensible.

To be fair I wont lose sleep over Edwards. Good, useful money for a league 1 team. But he wont be in the first team so wouldn't have made an immediate impact.

The 2 that I'm still surprised about is

Aouar - if there was any truth in the fee mentioned, and the fact that there are connections to the club it 'could' have happened. If Eze gets injured we are lacking in central creativity.

Gilmore - at 9m it feels like good business for a young, industrious midfielder.

We still have a good first team, but are 1 injury away from Luka playing, which isn't a comforting thought. And not offering Kouyate a 2 year contract now looks like a bad move.

I heard on the athletic podcast (maybe) that Aouar is sitting his contract out and will probably go somewhere with champions league football next season, Gilmore was terrible for Norwich last season.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 02 Sep 22 3.29pm
By the next window we will have only played 18 league games, so others may have done their money, and the prices may show some reality, i think we have kept our powder dry, can i patent "kept our powder dry, Willo. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 02 Sep 22 3.29pm

By the next window we will have only played 18 league games, so others may have done their money, and the prices may show some reality, i think we have kept our powder dry, can i patent "kept our powder dry, Willo.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Booted Eagle Bristol 02 Sep 22 5.26pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Don't worry there are only 13 league games till the next window opens A good point. With the World Cup chopping the season in half there is an extra month when no games are happening. Perhaps a good time to reassess and go stronger to make deals happen ? Problems could be PV recently publicly stated we were at least 2 players short. Obviously we went for these type of players but they haven't materialised in the window. Could be a number of reasons why and only behind the scenes will know the reason/s. Let's hope that the likes of Eze continues his good form, Olise starts to fire and others improve, no run of injuries etc. or it might get choppy behind the scenes. Edited by Booted Eagle (02 Sep 2022 5.26pm) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 02 Sep 22 5.26pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Don't worry there are only 13 league games till the next window opens

A good point. With the World Cup chopping the season in half there is an extra month when no games are happening. Perhaps a good time to reassess and go stronger to make deals happen ? Problems could be PV recently publicly stated we were at least 2 players short. Obviously we went for these type of players but they haven't materialised in the window. Could be a number of reasons why and only behind the scenes will know the reason/s. Let's hope that the likes of Eze continues his good form, Olise starts to fire and others improve, no run of injuries etc. or it might get choppy behind the scenes.

Edited by Booted Eagle (02 Sep 2022 5.26pm)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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