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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 18 Apr 24 1.09pm

Is it working or not, i think the general opinion is it doesn't punish the top clubs, but i think it is having a massive impact on them, Man City only registered 20 players of the 25 they could have, but if you are spending 100m on Grealish, maybe quality is not enough without quantity, similarly Liverpool only registered 22, 11 clubs including ourselves didn't register 25 players, so the clubs that didn't register 25, and are in European competitions can hardly complain about injuries or tiredness, like Man City seem to be.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Apr 24 1.29pm

To answer your question I guess it depends on what you expect FFP to do.

For me it was never about stopping clubs spending money but ensuring that they actually had that money to spend in the first place. It is cheating by outspending your rivals with money you do not have and then defaulting which usually means owing the taxpayer miliions.

However with all FFP's complexities I still see clubs going bust so for me it hasn't worked.

As you hinted it is also being used by the bully boy clubs to prevent other clubs from joining them at the elite end. Jack Warner could not happen now.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2024 1.30pm)

 


One more point

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Apr 24 1.35pm

Originally posted by Badger11

To answer your question I guess it depends on what you expect FFP to do.

For me it was never about stopping clubs spending money but ensuring that they actually had that money to spend in the first place. It is cheating by outspending your rivals with money you do not have and then defaulting which usually means owing the taxpayer miliions.

However with all FFP's complexities I still see clubs going bust so for me it hasn't worked.

As you hinted it is also being used by the bully boy clubs to prevent other clubs from joining them at the elite end. Jack Warner could not happen now.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2024 1.30pm)

Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner?

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 18 Apr 24 1.38pm

Originally posted by Badger11

To answer your question I guess it depends on what you expect FFP to do.

For me it was never about stopping clubs spending money but ensuring that they actually had that money to spend in the first place. It is cheating by outspending your rivals with money you do not have and then defaulting which usually means owing the taxpayer miliions.

However with all FFP's complexities I still see clubs going bust so for me it hasn't worked.

As you hinted it is also being used by the bully boy clubs to prevent other clubs from joining them at the elite end. Jack Warner could not happen now.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2024 1.30pm)

this. Its a (good) Idea that hasn't done what it set out to do.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Apr 24 1.39pm

I don't think FFP has much to do with the squad sizes - if clubs like Man City wanted to fill those 25 slots, they still could under FFP, but I think they see more benefit in leaving room for academy players rather than having 25 senior players - Bobb and Rico Lewis, off the top of my head, wouldn't need registering but are very much part of the City squad.

I don't think FFP works well to answer the OP - I think it was well-intentioned, and actually view the punishments on Forest and Everton as positives in terms of it actually achieving something, but until they scalp one of the big boys, it can't claim to be fair.

Chelsea found a loop hole and were able to buy £1bn of players in little over 12m, City are just kicking the can down the road with a lengthy legal battle which they know they can afford and Newcastle have hugely inflated their revenue with all these shell 'sponsors' from the Middle-East (something City have also been doing for years).

 

rikz Flag Croydon 18 Apr 24 1.59pm

FFP is to stop clubs spending what they can't afford. the problem is the fans who see the word fair and think it means all clubs now have the same budget and we can finally compete. That's not what it was introduced for, want to spend the same as the big clubs, attract the same fanbase and generate the same income.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Apr 24 3.07pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner?

"And Fred was sent down for 7 years, silly boy"

 


One more point

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Apr 24 4.56pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner?

Evening all

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Apr 24 5.00pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't think FFP has much to do with the squad sizes - if clubs like Man City wanted to fill those 25 slots, they still could under FFP, but I think they see more benefit in leaving room for academy players rather than having 25 senior players - Bobb and Rico Lewis, off the top of my head, wouldn't need registering but are very much part of the City squad.

I don't think FFP works well to answer the OP - I think it was well-intentioned, and actually view the punishments on Forest and Everton as positives in terms of it actually achieving something, but until they scalp one of the big boys, it can't claim to be fair.

Chelsea found a loop hole and were able to buy £1bn of players in little over 12m, City are just kicking the can down the road with a lengthy legal battle which they know they can afford and Newcastle have hugely inflated their revenue with all these shell 'sponsors' from the Middle-East (something City have also been doing for years).

I agree. PL really didn’t want to enforce penalties but appear to have had their hands forced by the introduction of the Independent regulator. IMO they introduced the regulations without ever thinking they would need to use them, hence the somewhat arbitrary punishments

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Apr 24 5.12pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree. PL really didn’t want to enforce penalties but appear to have had their hands forced by the introduction of the Independent regulator. IMO they introduced the regulations without ever thinking they would need to use them, hence the somewhat arbitrary punishments

It is the FA who bring these charges, on advice from the EPL/EFL

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 18 Apr 24 5.15pm

It has certainly stopped Newcastle spending in the last window, and lack of a Haaland stand in, Chelsea have to sell 120m in the summer, and players they haven't bought EG, James, Gallagher etc will be the ones with the highest value, i have no doubt that if they could both would have spent big last window

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Apr 24 5.21pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

It has certainly stopped Newcastle spending in the last window, and lack of a Haaland stand in, Chelsea have to sell 120m in the summer, and players they haven't bought EG, James, Gallagher etc will be the ones with the highest value, i have no doubt that if they could both would have spent big last window

Having spent £60m on Tonali, £40m on Harvey Barnes and £35m on Livramento in the summer. They also agreed to buy Lewis Hall for £30m, but agreed an initial loan so that will show on next year's accounts.

They've spent near enough £500m across 3 seasons and only banked about £50m in player sales.

If it's only now they've had to slow down, I don't think FFP is achieving much.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Apr 24 7.37pm

Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only.
Yup can see that stopping the big boys

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Apr 24 9.26am

Originally posted by cryrst

Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only.
Yup can see that stopping the big boys

I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Apr 24 9.37am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century

Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you.
Any owners prepared to invest hundreds of millions in transfers and wages won't be put off by fines.

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Apr 24 10.39am

Although the link is about EPL clubs going out of Europe & therefore not getting the extra CL spot, if you scroll a bit further, they put a table up of the top 20 clubs spending from 2014-2023, we are 16th . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 19 Apr 24 10.46am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Having spent £60m on Tonali, £40m on Harvey Barnes and £35m on Livramento in the summer. They also agreed to buy Lewis Hall for £30m, but agreed an initial loan so that will show on next year's accounts.

They've spent near enough £500m across 3 seasons and only banked about £50m in player sales.

If it's only now they've had to slow down, I don't think FFP is achieving much.

But they have had to slow down, and it will continue to disrupt them, Chelsea and Man City

 


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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 19 Apr 24 1.27pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you.
Any owners prepared to invest hundreds of millions in transfers and wages won't be put off by fines.

Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ?

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Apr 24 1.36pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ?

Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems.

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 19 Apr 24 1.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems.

There is always a loophole to jump through.

 


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