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JollyStef 24 Mar 05 3.47pm
Quote stevobongo at 24 Mar 2005 3:26pm thats life, well thats what all the people say. by an accident of birth i could have been royalty too, i dont try and break into buckingham palace every day though. The theory is a bit too simplistic, but it sure is funny .. good comparison Would you want to be royalty though, imagine having those relatives finished
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JollyStef 24 Mar 05 3.47pm

Quote stevobongo at 24 Mar 2005 3:26pm

thats life, well thats what all the people say. by an accident of birth i could have been royalty too, i dont try and break into buckingham palace every day though.

The theory is a bit too simplistic, but it sure is funny .. good comparison

Would you want to be royalty though, imagine having those relatives

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JollyStef 24 Mar 05 3.49pm
Quote jcreedy at 24 Mar 2005 3:38pm Certain sections of our society would grind to a halt if they weren't run by migrants who are willing to jobs that we aren't. That's too simplistic too .. why wouldn't we find enough of our own to break in, steal, do drugs trafficing etc.. etc... finished
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JollyStef 24 Mar 05 3.49pm

Quote jcreedy at 24 Mar 2005 3:38pm

Certain sections of our society would grind to a halt if they weren't run by migrants who are willing to jobs that we aren't.

That's too simplistic too .. why wouldn't we find enough of our own to break in, steal, do drugs trafficing etc.. etc...

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Mar 05 3.53pm
Send them all back!
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cupid stunt 24 Mar 05 3.54pm
Total net Immigration from outside the European Union has more than trebled in the past five years and is still rising. Each year nearly a quarter of a million people come to live in Britain. This is the equivalent of the City of Cambridge every six months. Arrivals on this scale make successful assimilation very difficult. Furthermore, between 1996 and 2001 three quarters of international migrants went to London and the South East. This pattern exacerbates the already heavy pressure on transport, housing, education and health service. Surely this cannot be healthy considering we are ALREADY the second most overcrowded country in europe. Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Mar 2005 4:15pm) If there`s a camel up a hill then its asbestos flaygon you to you to
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24 Mar 05 3.54pm

Total net Immigration from outside the European Union has more than trebled in the past five years and is still rising. Each year nearly a quarter of a million people come to live in Britain. This is the equivalent of the City of Cambridge every six months. Arrivals on this scale make successful assimilation very difficult. Furthermore, between 1996 and 2001 three quarters of international migrants went to London and the South East. This pattern exacerbates the already heavy pressure on transport, housing, education and health service. Surely this cannot be healthy considering we are ALREADY the second most overcrowded country in europe.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Mar 2005 4:15pm)

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Balham Burner 24 Mar 05 3.58pm
I'm trying to find the figures now but I am sure that the fiscal contribution of immigrants i.e. how much they contribute to the economy through taxes etc, is vastly more than they take out through benefits etc. I don't want you all to think that I am massively pro immigration, (I do have concerns like most people on here), but it irritates me when people refer to anecdotal bad stories that show asylum seekers etc in a bad light. These things have to be analysed in a calm, forensic manner. Anyway Stef - aren't you Belgian (apols if wrong!)? When your country was used as a car park in 2 world wars I'm pretty sure many of your fellow citizens sought asylum here too escape the murdering hoardes of huns (I could be wrong). Does that not make you sympathise with people who flee wars?
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24 Mar 05 3.58pm

I'm trying to find the figures now but I am sure that the fiscal contribution of immigrants i.e. how much they contribute to the economy through taxes etc, is vastly more than they take out through benefits etc.

I don't want you all to think that I am massively pro immigration, (I do have concerns like most people on here), but it irritates me when people refer to anecdotal bad stories that show asylum seekers etc in a bad light.

These things have to be analysed in a calm, forensic manner.

Anyway Stef - aren't you Belgian (apols if wrong!)? When your country was used as a car park in 2 world wars I'm pretty sure many of your fellow citizens sought asylum here too escape the murdering hoardes of huns (I could be wrong). Does that not make you sympathise with people who flee wars?

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cupid stunt 24 Mar 05 4.01pm
one day it will be to late, everybody will moan about it then!! If there`s a camel up a hill then its asbestos flaygon you to you to
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24 Mar 05 4.01pm

one day it will be to late, everybody will moan about it then!!

If there`s a camel up a hill then its asbestos flaygon you to you to

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Oliver Bodega Bay 24 Mar 05 4.01pm
Good to see this thread has not descended into the usual monotonous boring knee jerk posts yet. “Illegal immigrants” are illegal the law does not need changing. Whenever people talk on this site about immigrants/ asylum, you need to differentiate between them the various people who seek to gain entry to this country. Our asylum process does need an overhaul. Believe it or not, it is not that easy to become a British citizen. However people abuse/ get lost in our asylum system. If you apply and are rejected you can keep on appealing for years and you are not immediately deported and will be able to live off benefits. Others have made good points already on this thread about migrant workers who come here legally and have permission to enter before they leave their country. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 24 Mar 05 4.01pm

Good to see this thread has not descended into the usual monotonous boring knee jerk posts yet.

“Illegal immigrants” are illegal the law does not need changing.

Whenever people talk on this site about immigrants/ asylum, you need to differentiate between them the various people who seek to gain entry to this country.

Our asylum process does need an overhaul. Believe it or not, it is not that easy to become a British citizen. However people abuse/ get lost in our asylum system. If you apply and are rejected you can keep on appealing for years and you are not immediately deported and will be able to live off benefits.

Others have made good points already on this thread about migrant workers who come here legally and have permission to enter before they leave their country.

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Legal Eagle A town where fog lights shine, eve... 24 Mar 05 4.10pm
I'm not sure if its been said as we've had this debate so many times that I couldn't be bothered reading through the thread but - Making immigration illegal per se is not going to deal with the real problem - illegal immigrants. Edit - I've just spotted it has been made, but this ought to underline the point nicely Edited by Legal Eagle (24 Mar 2005 4:10pm) It's just a matter of crossing the i's and dotting the t's
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A town where fog lights shine, eve... 24 Mar 05 4.10pm

I'm not sure if its been said as we've had this debate so many times that I couldn't be bothered reading through the thread but -

Making immigration illegal per se is not going to deal with the real problem - illegal immigrants.

Edit - I've just spotted it has been made, but this ought to underline the point nicely

Edited by Legal Eagle (24 Mar 2005 4:10pm)

It's just a matter of crossing the i's and dotting the t's

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stevobongo on the throne.... 24 Mar 05 4.12pm
Quote JollyStef at 24 Mar 2005 3:47pm Quote stevobongo at 24 Mar 2005 3:26pm thats life, well thats what all the people say. by an accident of birth i could have been royalty too, i dont try and break into buckingham palace every day though. The theory is a bit too simplistic, but it sure is funny .. good comparison Would you want to be royalty though, imagine having those relatives or them ears. Fck you, fck you very much!!
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on the throne.... 24 Mar 05 4.12pm

Quote JollyStef at 24 Mar 2005 3:47pm

Quote stevobongo at 24 Mar 2005 3:26pm

thats life, well thats what all the people say. by an accident of birth i could have been royalty too, i dont try and break into buckingham palace every day though.

The theory is a bit too simplistic, but it sure is funny .. good comparison

Would you want to be royalty though, imagine having those relatives

or them ears.

F*ck you, f*ck you very much!!

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A_JsShorts 24 Mar 05 4.48pm
Quote jcreedy at 24 Mar 2005 3:38pm Certain sections of our society would grind to a halt if they weren't run by migrants who are willing to jobs that we aren't. People read about the number of people that Britain takes in without considering the number of people that leave and the number of people that die here every year. I don't know the figures, and I'm sure that more people enter Britain than leave it every year, but we should look at population figures rather than immigration figures to see how over-crowded we are becoming. Exactly - Where would you get your kebab from at 2am in the morning after a night on the tiles!!
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A_JsShorts 24 Mar 05 4.48pm

Quote jcreedy at 24 Mar 2005 3:38pm

Certain sections of our society would grind to a halt if they weren't run by migrants who are willing to jobs that we aren't.
People read about the number of people that Britain takes in without considering the number of people that leave and the number of people that die here every year. I don't know the figures, and I'm sure that more people enter Britain than leave it every year, but we should look at population figures rather than immigration figures to see how over-crowded we are becoming.

Exactly - Where would you get your kebab from at 2am in the morning after a night on the tiles!!

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npn Crowborough 24 Mar 05 5.09pm
If an illegal immigrant is caught, he ought to be taken straight to the airport and slung out. None of these retrospective asylum claims - "oh dear, you've caught me, so I'll claim asylum now?" "certainly, we'll look at your case, now off you go while we process it, and no running away, you hear?" Bogus asylum seekers - throw them out the day the decision's made before they've got a chance to disappear - no lengthy appeals (maybe one short appeal on factual or legal grounds) As far as genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants who have come through legal routes - welcome, come in, and pull up a chair! The argument about migrants out balancing the figures is valid, but will always be slightly skewed by the differential in 'quality' - the people who emigrate from this country will always be those who can get in elsewhere, which tends to mean professionals whose skills are in demand (I'm trying to do it myself, and believe me it's not easy), so you have to be careful to control the skillset of the incoming replacements (obviously that only applies to those applying for legal entry through 'normal' routes rther than asylum seekers).
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Crowborough 24 Mar 05 5.09pm

If an illegal immigrant is caught, he ought to be taken straight to the airport and slung out. None of these retrospective asylum claims -
"oh dear, you've caught me, so I'll claim asylum now?"
"certainly, we'll look at your case, now off you go while we process it, and no running away, you hear?"

Bogus asylum seekers - throw them out the day the decision's made before they've got a chance to disappear - no lengthy appeals (maybe one short appeal on factual or legal grounds)

As far as genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants who have come through legal routes - welcome, come in, and pull up a chair!

The argument about migrants out balancing the figures is valid, but will always be slightly skewed by the differential in 'quality' - the people who emigrate from this country will always be those who can get in elsewhere, which tends to mean professionals whose skills are in demand (I'm trying to do it myself, and believe me it's not easy), so you have to be careful to control the skillset of the incoming replacements (obviously that only applies to those applying for legal entry through 'normal' routes rther than asylum seekers).

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JFIVienna Macau/Hong Kong 24 Mar 05 5.18pm
Dubai has it right: All are welcome (subject to certain restrictions) to come and work. However: 1. if you commit a crime, you are deported; 2. If you seriously offend their religion or customs, deported; 3. If you lose your job, you have one month to find another. Whilst we may have a moral responsibility to give shelter from those fleeing war and persecution, those people who betray that hospitality by committing crimes should be immediately deported.
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Macau/Hong Kong 24 Mar 05 5.18pm

Dubai has it right:

All are welcome (subject to certain restrictions) to come and work.

However:

1. if you commit a crime, you are deported;

2. If you seriously offend their religion or customs, deported;

3. If you lose your job, you have one month to find another.

Whilst we may have a moral responsibility to give shelter from those fleeing war and persecution, those people who betray that hospitality by committing crimes should be immediately deported.

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