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Hoof Hearted 03 Sep 15 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?


Quite.


Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?

 
DanH Flag SW2 03 Sep 15 10.26am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?


Quite.


Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?


Full marks for usage Hoof.

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 10.50am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?

Is irrelivent, because suspending the right to a fair trial is unlawful. The failure to provide evidence held that may be useful to the defense is contrary to UK law, and they are bound by those legal duties.

The security services are not above the law, and are accountable for their actions. In this case, their actions could very well have led to the wrong people in prison, and the actual terrorists being free to continue.

The same goes for the police, you hear about it when they get it wrong, and most of the time they get it right, but that doesn't absolve failure.

We should never suspend legal rights just because its convenient for getting 'the person you think is guilty' banged up.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 11.00am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?


Quite.


Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?

Nor do MI-5 and 6, which is why they have no powers of arrest or prosecution. They actually are civil servants, not law enforcement agencies.

However they are not a law onto themselves, and do have to follow the laws of the UK, admittedly things like Warrants are handled differently. And because they don't prosecute cases, the rules of evidence are slightly different. But they are not allowed to withhold information from the defense that could be used to prove the innocence of someone.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 11.02am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?


Quite.

Of course you could equally say, what if they get it wrong, and accidently frame the wrong person, and as a result of them putting that case to rest, you are kidknapped and have your head cut off on live TV, because they didn't get the right guy.

It always works both ways.


 

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Andy_G Flag Wimbledon 08 Sep 15 8.08am

Saw the bbc programme on him last night. He's going to be hilarious as Labour leader. Looking forward to the bonkers stuff he'll come out with.

 

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DanH Flag SW2 08 Sep 15 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

 
Scucca Flag Ely 08 Sep 15 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

 
serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Sep 15 9.11am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)


Have the Daily Mail released generic opinions you can just copy and paste on to internet forums now?

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 08 Sep 15 9.35am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

I agree. It is a disgrace that we are forced to pay for their propaganda. How far would they get if they had to rely on subscriptions from those they support - like the Muslim Council of Britain, or Greens/SNP/TUSC, or Kid's Company. I expect some of the millionaire 'artists' like Grayson, Hirst and Gilbert & George would bung in a few bob, after all the BBC does try to compare them with Rembrandt.

 

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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 08 Sep 15 9.57am

Quote serial thriller at 08 Sep 2015 9.11am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)


Have the Daily Mail released generic opinions you can just copy and paste on to internet forums now?


If you can't see left wing bias as it smacks you in the face then you're foolish. In the same way that if you read the Telegraph you can see right wing bias smacking you in the face.

The difference is that the BBC has become the go to place for news thanks to the license fee that is mandatorily paid for by ALL of society, rather than the Telegraph which is paid for by its readership, i.e. by choice.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 08 Sep 15 10.09am

The right think the Beeb are a bunch of Commies

The left think the Beeb are a bunch of fascists

There are times I think individual pieces carry a fair bit of bias (on other subjects as well as political)but overall they are pretty well balanced.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Sep 15 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 08 Sep 15 10.46am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 Sep 2015 10.09am

The right think the Beeb are a bunch of Commies

The left think the Beeb are a bunch of fascists

There are times I think individual pieces carry a fair bit of bias (on other subjects as well as political)but overall they are pretty well balanced.


This. If both sides of the political spectrum think you're biased against them, then you're probably doing OK. The do let themselves down on a few pieces from time to time where a definite bias is perceptible, but on the whole they're pretty impartial.

If they could just lose the gobby lefties from QT I'd be happy (you know the type - cheer uproariously whenever a lefty makes a point no matter how fatuous, boo with contempt whenever a right winger makes a point no matter how valid, and then think you've won the argument because you were loudest. See Griffin, Nick)

 
Stuk Flag Top half 08 Sep 15 2.33pm

Quote npn at 08 Sep 2015 10.46am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 Sep 2015 10.09am

The right think the Beeb are a bunch of Commies

The left think the Beeb are a bunch of fascists

There are times I think individual pieces carry a fair bit of bias (on other subjects as well as political)but overall they are pretty well balanced.


This. If both sides of the political spectrum think you're biased against them, then you're probably doing OK. The do let themselves down on a few pieces from time to time where a definite bias is perceptible, but on the whole they're pretty impartial.

If they could just lose the gobby lefties from QT I'd be happy (you know the type - cheer uproariously whenever a lefty makes a point no matter how fatuous, boo with contempt whenever a right winger makes a point no matter how valid, and then think you've won the argument because you were loudest. See Griffin, Nick)


I agree with you both, which is why I generally link to their stories on here when discussing something.

 

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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 08 Sep 15 2.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left


Interested how this always gets trotted out. Probably fairer to describe it as "progressive" though also have to note that its two most senior political correspondents Nick Robinson and Jeremy Paxman are both Tories

 
Stuk Flag Top half 08 Sep 15 3.00pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 08 Sep 2015 2.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left


Interested how this always gets trotted out. Probably fairer to describe it as "progressive" though also have to note that its two most senior political correspondents Nick Robinson and Jeremy Paxman are both Tories


He's but a quiz host for the BBC.

 

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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 08 Sep 15 3.44pm

Quote Stuk at 08 Sep 2015 3.00pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 08 Sep 2015 2.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left


Interested how this always gets trotted out. Probably fairer to describe it as "progressive" though also have to note that its two most senior political correspondents Nick Robinson and Jeremy Paxman are both Tories


He's but a quiz host for the BBC.


He was also on the shortlist to be the Tory candidate for London mayor

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Sep 15 3.53pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 08 Sep 2015 2.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left


Interested how this always gets trotted out. Probably fairer to describe it as "progressive" though also have to note that its two most senior political correspondents Nick Robinson and Jeremy Paxman are both Tories

I generally mean liberal in the older sense, than the Liberal Democrat sense. Which I'd probably also call 'middle of the road' politically. The BBC is very open to Personal Politics, the risqué and controversial in a way that ITV isn't, and Channel 4 no longer seems to have a taste for doing well.

Of course its hard to be much more establishment than BBC Radio 4 (easily the finest thing on the airwaves).


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Sep 15 3.55pm

Quote Stuk at 08 Sep 2015 3.00pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 08 Sep 2015 2.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote Scucca at 08 Sep 2015 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.


Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

Hyperbole in the extreme. The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left, which places it roughtly in the center of the political spectrum. No means of communication about politics can be unbiased, the very nature of communication and language propergate individual bias and influence.

The BBC is probably liberal rather than left wing in any real sense of the left


Interested how this always gets trotted out. Probably fairer to describe it as "progressive" though also have to note that its two most senior political correspondents Nick Robinson and Jeremy Paxman are both Tories


He's but a quiz host for the BBC.

Pretty sure that's not all he's been

 

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