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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 16 10.47am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Actually are civil servants the right people for this job? They're the only people who can do the job. Obviously they may need some expert guidance and advice, but I fail to see who else would have the working knowledge of government administration, law, process, requirements and legal obligation. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Dec 16 10.47am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Actually are civil servants the right people for this job?

They're the only people who can do the job. Obviously they may need some expert guidance and advice, but I fail to see who else would have the working knowledge of government administration, law, process, requirements and legal obligation.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 16 10.53am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I know. Some of them will have to work from home only twice a week instead of three times. I was a civil servant for a few years, and worked with the civil service for about ten more (for an IT provider), I got to work from home more often than they did. That said, one of those roles did involve the introduction of systems that allowed people to work remotely. Outside of the civil service, I've met people who work almost entirely from home, maybe doing one day a week on site or in the office. Most civil servants I worked with, generally worked more than 7.5 hour days, so as to take advantage of the flexi-time scheme. Usually by Friday, 4pm, most people had worked at least an extra day. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Dec 16 10.53am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I know.
Some of them will have to work from home only twice a week instead of three times.

I was a civil servant for a few years, and worked with the civil service for about ten more (for an IT provider), I got to work from home more often than they did. That said, one of those roles did involve the introduction of systems that allowed people to work remotely.

Outside of the civil service, I've met people who work almost entirely from home, maybe doing one day a week on site or in the office.

Most civil servants I worked with, generally worked more than 7.5 hour days, so as to take advantage of the flexi-time scheme. Usually by Friday, 4pm, most people had worked at least an extra day.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 16 11.03am
Originally posted by chris123 I suspect it will be a challenge, but hope the resulting exit will create as many opportunities as challenges. I doubt it, the EU broadly is beneficial to administrative systems of the UK, UK government and UK economics. Just removing the ECHR which has served as the highest appeal court of the UK for over 50 years is incredibly complex. The Conservatives found this out when they were talking about 'removing the Human Rights act' and replacing it. In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems. For example we don't have a department of trade and industry any more, we have something that vaguely covers aspects of that, but for a large part, the standisation of the EU, meant a large part of regulations and business control was centralised - Now the UK not only has to regulate industry and business in the UK, but also negotiate individual trade agreements, as competition to the EU. Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally. When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored. None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Dec 16 11.03am

Originally posted by chris123

I suspect it will be a challenge, but hope the resulting exit will create as many opportunities as challenges.

I doubt it, the EU broadly is beneficial to administrative systems of the UK, UK government and UK economics. Just removing the ECHR which has served as the highest appeal court of the UK for over 50 years is incredibly complex. The Conservatives found this out when they were talking about 'removing the Human Rights act' and replacing it.

In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems.

For example we don't have a department of trade and industry any more, we have something that vaguely covers aspects of that, but for a large part, the standisation of the EU, meant a large part of regulations and business control was centralised - Now the UK not only has to regulate industry and business in the UK, but also negotiate individual trade agreements, as competition to the EU.

Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally.

When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored.

None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 16 11.40am
Don't forget the mantra... Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump In 2017 our GDP will jump! Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH. X

Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 16 11.40am

Don't forget the mantra...

Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump

In 2017 our GDP will jump!

Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH.

chris123 hove actually 30 Dec 16 12.10pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I doubt it, the EU broadly is beneficial to administrative systems of the UK, UK government and UK economics. Just removing the ECHR which has served as the highest appeal court of the UK for over 50 years is incredibly complex. The Conservatives found this out when they were talking about 'removing the Human Rights act' and replacing it. In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems. For example we don't have a department of trade and industry any more, we have something that vaguely covers aspects of that, but for a large part, the standisation of the EU, meant a large part of regulations and business control was centralised - Now the UK not only has to regulate industry and business in the UK, but also negotiate individual trade agreements, as competition to the EU. Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally. When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored. None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go). Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork.

chris123

hove actually 30 Dec 16 12.10pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems.

Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally.

When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored.

None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go).

Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork.

jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 16 12.41pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Don't forget the mantra... Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump In 2017 our GDP will jump! Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH. X Happy New Year sir Although given recent US relations with Russia, Trump could mean trouble! Viva la revolution "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Dec 16 12.41pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Don't forget the mantra...

Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump

In 2017 our GDP will jump!

Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH.

Happy New Year sir

Although given recent US relations with Russia, Trump could mean trouble! Viva la revolution

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 16 12.45pm
Originally posted by chris123 Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork. For me, yes, it guess work, but I would imagine if your the civil service, its more a reasonable degree of estimates based on different scenarios. The problem is, that government and Brexit supporters seem to see anything that might be unpopular as being Remoaners. Of course there is a degree of guesswork because the government itself hasn't really made much progress towards the activation of Article 50, or what an exit from the EU will consist of (seeming to be very much in the camp of an exit being as little of an exit as possible). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Dec 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by chris123

Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork.

For me, yes, it guess work, but I would imagine if your the civil service, its more a reasonable degree of estimates based on different scenarios.

The problem is, that government and Brexit supporters seem to see anything that might be unpopular as being Remoaners.

Of course there is a degree of guesswork because the government itself hasn't really made much progress towards the activation of Article 50, or what an exit from the EU will consist of (seeming to be very much in the camp of an exit being as little of an exit as possible).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 30 Dec 16 6.54pm
FTSE closed at an all time high today. Think how high it would be if it wasn't for that bloody Brexit! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 30 Dec 16 6.54pm

FTSE closed at an all time high today. Think how high it would be if it wasn't for that bloody Brexit!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

.TUX. 30 Dec 16 8.07pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 FTSE closed at an all time high today. Think how high it would be if it wasn't for that bloody Brexit! And that would benefit us how exactly? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

30 Dec 16 8.07pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

FTSE closed at an all time high today. Think how high it would be if it wasn't for that bloody Brexit!

And that would benefit us how exactly?

Buy Litecoin.

davenotamonkey 30 Dec 16 8.07pm
FTSE 250 ends at highest point in the last 5 years (18,077), with the exception of 22nd May 2015 (18,192). #DespiteBrexit Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the war? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why are we spending a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Oh, I see. Brexit hasn't happened yet. Well, those treasury forecast figures were based on a "vote to leave", not explicitly the triggering of A50. There are forecasts for 2016 Q3 and Q4. Oh, but let's play a game then: why don't the doom-monger idiots provide a new set of forecasts, based on the trigger in March 2017? I mean, if they can predict what the growth of the economy will be in 2030, based on an arbitrary A50 trigger date, surely we can get some new apocalyptic figures to enjoy for only a few months hence? What's stopping them?

davenotamonkey

30 Dec 16 8.07pm

FTSE 250 ends at highest point in the last 5 years (18,077), with the exception of 22nd May 2015 (18,192).

#DespiteBrexit

Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the war? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why are we spending a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"?

Oh, I see. Brexit hasn't happened yet. Well, those treasury forecast figures were based on a "vote to leave", not explicitly the triggering of A50. There are forecasts for 2016 Q3 and Q4.

Oh, but let's play a game then: why don't the doom-monger idiots provide a new set of forecasts, based on the trigger in March 2017? I mean, if they can predict what the growth of the economy will be in 2030, based on an arbitrary A50 trigger date, surely we can get some new apocalyptic figures to enjoy for only a few months hence? What's stopping them?

davenotamonkey 30 Dec 16 8.09pm
.TUX. - beat me by mere seconds to crown page 500 ;-)

davenotamonkey

30 Dec 16 8.09pm

.TUX. - beat me by mere seconds to crown page 500 ;-)

.TUX. 30 Dec 16 8.40pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey FTSE 250 ends at highest point in the last 5 years (18,077), with the exception of 22nd May 2015 (18,192). #DespiteBrexit Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the war? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why are we spending a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Oh, I see. Brexit hasn't happened yet. Well, those treasury forecast figures were based on a "vote to leave", not explicitly the triggering of A50. There are forecasts for 2016 Q3 and Q4. Oh, but let's play a game then: why don't the doom-monger idiots provide a new set of forecasts, based on the trigger in March 2017? I mean, if they can predict what the growth of the economy will be in 2030, based on an arbitrary A50 trigger date, surely we can get some new apocalyptic figures to enjoy for only a few months hence? What's stopping them? Sorry about the 500 thing bud. As for the recession, it'll hit soon and Brexit will provide nothing more than a handy cop-out to the blinkered who ignore the fact that the fundamentals of our economy have been dog-pooh for a long while now, yet think the FTSE is the be all and end all. A market that has grown on nothing more than share buy-backs afforded by QE funds and cheap borrowing! As for the EU, the Italian Banking crisis grows worse and again we see yet more financial problems in Spain emerging. And Deutsche Bank hasn't gone away........ Edit: Throw into the mix the ECB printing money to benefit their 'favoured' corporations. Europe is a cesspit of corrupt cr-p yet 48% believe it's the way forward. Bless 'em. Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm) Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

30 Dec 16 8.40pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

FTSE 250 ends at highest point in the last 5 years (18,077), with the exception of 22nd May 2015 (18,192).

#DespiteBrexit

Oh, I see. Brexit hasn't happened yet. Well, those treasury forecast figures were based on a "vote to leave", not explicitly the triggering of A50. There are forecasts for 2016 Q3 and Q4.

Sorry about the 500 thing bud.

As for the recession, it'll hit soon and Brexit will provide nothing more than a handy cop-out to the blinkered who ignore the fact that the fundamentals of our economy have been dog-pooh for a long while now, yet think the FTSE is the be all and end all. A market that has grown on nothing more than share buy-backs afforded by QE funds and cheap borrowing!
As for the EU, the Italian Banking crisis grows worse and again we see yet more financial problems in Spain emerging. And Deutsche Bank hasn't gone away........

Edit: Throw into the mix the ECB printing money to benefit their 'favoured' corporations.
Europe is a cesspit of corrupt cr-p yet 48% believe it's the way forward.
Bless 'em.

Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm)

Buy Litecoin.

chris123 hove actually 30 Dec 16 9.00pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Sorry about the 500 thing bud. As for the recession, it'll hit soon and Brexit will provide nothing more than a handy cop-out to the blinkered who ignore the fact that the fundamentals of our economy have been dog-pooh for a long while now, yet think the FTSE is the be all and end all. A market that has grown on nothing more than share buy-backs afforded by QE funds and cheap borrowing! As for the EU, the Italian Banking crisis grows worse and again we see yet more financial problems in Spain emerging. And Deutsche Bank hasn't gone away........ Edit: Throw into the mix the ECB printing money to benefit their 'favoured' corporations. Europe is a cesspit of corrupt cr-p yet 48% believe it's the way forward. Bless 'em. Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm) Most buy backs are to facilitate exercising of employee share option schemes surely?

chris123

hove actually 30 Dec 16 9.00pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Sorry about the 500 thing bud.

Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm)

Most buy backs are to facilitate exercising of employee share option schemes surely?

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Dec 16 10.16pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Sorry about the 500 thing bud. As for the recession, it'll hit soon and Brexit will provide nothing more than a handy cop-out to the blinkered who ignore the fact that the fundamentals of our economy have been dog-pooh for a long while now, yet think the FTSE is the be all and end all. A market that has grown on nothing more than share buy-backs afforded by QE funds and cheap borrowing! As for the EU, the Italian Banking crisis grows worse and again we see yet more financial problems in Spain emerging. And Deutsche Bank hasn't gone away........ Edit: Throw into the mix the ECB printing money to benefit their 'favoured' corporations. Europe is a cesspit of corrupt cr-p yet 48% believe it's the way forward. Bless 'em. Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm) Very good points, TUX. Capitalism 21st century stylee is merely a hovel built on sand. And it's sinking. Edited by Cucking Funt (30 Dec 2016 10.17pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 30 Dec 16 10.16pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Sorry about the 500 thing bud.

Edited by .TUX. (30 Dec 2016 8.47pm)

Very good points, TUX. Capitalism 21st century stylee is merely a hovel built on sand. And it's sinking.

Edited by Cucking Funt (30 Dec 2016 10.17pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

matt_himself Matataland 31 Dec 16 5.40am
For the attention of Cuckers and DanH: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 31 Dec 16 5.40am

For the attention of Cuckers and DanH:

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

BarEagle Monmouth 31 Dec 16 5.47am
Funny ^^^^

BarEagle

Monmouth 31 Dec 16 5.47am

Funny ^^^^

Hoof Hearted 31 Dec 16 10.40am
Originally posted by Sedlescombe The Scottish economy would have tough times if it voted YEs and the proposals from Salmond last time based upon an inflated oil price were a nonsense. Even if the argument about independence came down to economics - and in my view it shouldn't - After 250 years of union you are saying that Scotland cant support its standard of living - surely that is a reason to leave and take control of your own affairs rather than staying in a relationship which as you describe is failing. Don't get me wrong Sedles... I actually WANT them to vote for Independence. The Jocks are ripping us off on a daily basis due to the Barnett formula. Sturgeon, Salmon and their SNP chums will get a cheery wave goodbye from me mate!

Hoof Hearted 31 Dec 16 10.40am

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

The Scottish economy would have tough times if it voted YEs and the proposals from Salmond last time based upon an inflated oil price were a nonsense.

Even if the argument about independence came down to economics - and in my view it shouldn't - After 250 years of union you are saying that Scotland cant support its standard of living - surely that is a reason to leave and take control of your own affairs rather than staying in a relationship which as you describe is failing.

Don't get me wrong Sedles... I actually WANT them to vote for Independence.

The Jocks are ripping us off on a daily basis due to the Barnett formula.

Sturgeon, Salmon and their SNP chums will get a cheery wave goodbye from me mate!

Hoof Hearted 04 Jan 17 10.51am
[Link] Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits. Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude.

Hoof Hearted 04 Jan 17 10.51am

[Link]

Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits.

Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude.

Kermit8 Hevon 04 Jan 17 10.55am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted [Link] Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits. Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude. The arrogance of hardline Brexiteers is astounding. The man was trying to help the UK (and still is) by conveying the thoughts of other EU partners and he gets elbowed out of the way. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 04 Jan 17 10.55am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

[Link]

Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits.

Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude.

The arrogance of hardline Brexiteers is astounding.

The man was trying to help the UK (and still is) by conveying the thoughts of other EU partners and he gets elbowed out of the way.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 17 11.20am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted [Link] Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits. Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude. The bit in his letter to his staff that I getting all the attention reads 'I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power'. Well I can't imagine anyone wanting our people to not challenge muddled thinking or ill founded arguments - so not sure what the big deal is.

chris123

hove actually 04 Jan 17 11.20am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

[Link]

Sir Ivan Rogers UK Ambassador to EU quits.

Good.... he was a Bremoaner and we'll be better off negotiating our withdrawal without his defeatist attitude.

The bit in his letter to his staff that I getting all the attention reads

'I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power'.

Well I can't imagine anyone wanting our people to not challenge muddled thinking or ill founded arguments - so not sure what the big deal is.

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