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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Jan 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Was he balls Kermit.... he wanted to influence matters to pursue his own agenda for continuation of the single market which aint gonna happen! Hoof, can you accept that not everyone is motivated by their own agenda? Someone can think that Brexit is not a great idea, that doesn't make them some kind of pariah. Especially one who has spent time in the Brussels machinery and likely know how complicated the whole thing is going to be. A one and a two...

tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Jan 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Was he balls Kermit.... he wanted to influence matters to pursue his own agenda for continuation of the single market which aint gonna happen!

Hoof, can you accept that not everyone is motivated by their own agenda?

Someone can think that Brexit is not a great idea, that doesn't make them some kind of pariah. Especially one who has spent time in the Brussels machinery and likely know how complicated the whole thing is going to be.

A one and a two...

legaleagle 04 Jan 17 6.01pm
and you know what,Hoof? It could even be that that "someone" is rigth and knows what they are talking about(cue collective splutters)

legaleagle

04 Jan 17 6.01pm

and you know what,Hoof?

It could even be that that "someone" is rigth and knows what they are talking about(cue collective splutters)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.17pm
Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders. Could it be that a right-wing anti establishment backlash leading to the break up of the EU is pie in the sky wishful thinking? Reckon what's happening in th UK regarding an EU exit may be putting others with the same ideas off.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.17pm

Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders.

Could it be that a right-wing anti establishment backlash leading to the break up of the EU is pie in the sky wishful thinking? Reckon what's happening in th UK regarding an EU exit may be putting others with the same ideas off.

chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.27pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders. Could it be that a right-wing anti establishment backlash leading to the break up of the EU is pie in the sky wishful thinking? Reckon what's happening in th UK regarding an EU exit may be putting others with the same ideas off. Source?

chris123

hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.27pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders.

Source?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.37pm
Originally posted by chris123 Source? Can't remember now I've read quite a bit this afternoon. I might Google it later, or you could.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.37pm

Originally posted by chris123

Source?

Can't remember now I've read quite a bit this afternoon. I might Google it later, or you could.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.43pm
[Link] Ms Le Pen has vowed to pull France out of the euro for years, but in remarks to Reuters news agency she broadened her vision, suggesting that Europe could return to a basket of recognised national currencies, linked through a common currency system like the Ecu, used before the introduction of the single currency in 1999. Under this model, France could reintroduce a currency such as the franc, while maintaining economic relationships with the eurozone. [Link] other news on Le Pen and les pennies: On Tuesday, she also modified her position on France’s departure from the eurozone. While Le Pen has long said that, if elected, she would hold a referendum for France to leave the European Union — to Frexit, if you will. But she now believes France should return to the French franc, yet still remain in a common European currency. Le Pen also has suggested she would step down if she were elected but her referendum later to fail. At the moment, polls are not in her favor for either situation: She is not expected to win the presidency, and the French are not expected to want withdrawal from the EU. At the moment, however, polls are largely meaningless and should not comfort, for example, Ukrainians who would rather all presidents of major EU countries recognize their territorial sovereignty.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 6.43pm

[Link]
Ms Le Pen has vowed to pull France out of the euro for years, but in remarks to Reuters news agency she broadened her vision, suggesting that Europe could return to a basket of recognised national currencies, linked through a common currency system like the Ecu, used before the introduction of the single currency in 1999.

Under this model, France could reintroduce a currency such as the franc, while maintaining economic relationships with the eurozone.

[Link]

other news on Le Pen and les pennies: On Tuesday, she also modified her position on France’s departure from the eurozone. While Le Pen has long said that, if elected, she would hold a referendum for France to leave the European Union — to Frexit, if you will. But she now believes France should return to the French franc, yet still remain in a common European currency.

Le Pen also has suggested she would step down if she were elected but her referendum later to fail. At the moment, polls are not in her favor for either situation: She is not expected to win the presidency, and the French are not expected to want withdrawal from the EU. At the moment, however, polls are largely meaningless and should not comfort, for example, Ukrainians who would rather all presidents of major EU countries recognize their territorial sovereignty.

chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Can't remember now I've read quite a bit this afternoon. I might Google it later, or you could. She is determined to hold a referendum and have a Frexit, so be very interested to see what you read.

chris123

hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can't remember now I've read quite a bit this afternoon. I might Google it later, or you could.

She is determined to hold a referendum and have a Frexit, so be very interested to see what you read.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 04 Jan 17 6.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders. Could it be that a right-wing anti establishment backlash leading to the break up of the EU is pie in the sky wishful thinking? Reckon what's happening in th UK regarding an EU exit may be putting others with the same ideas off. Returning border controls to member states may not immediately kill off the EU but it's a near-fatal kick in the nads nonetheless. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 04 Jan 17 6.45pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders.

Returning border controls to member states may not immediately kill off the EU but it's a near-fatal kick in the nads nonetheless.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.47pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] Ms Le Pen has vowed to pull France out of the euro for years, but in remarks to Reuters news agency she broadened her vision, suggesting that Europe could return to a basket of recognised national currencies, linked through a common currency system like the Ecu, used before the introduction of the single currency in 1999. Under this model, France could reintroduce a currency such as the franc, while maintaining economic relationships with the eurozone. [Link] other news on Le Pen and les pennies: On Tuesday, she also modified her position on France’s departure from the eurozone. While Le Pen has long said that, if elected, she would hold a referendum for France to leave the European Union — to Frexit, if you will. But she now believes France should return to the French franc, yet still remain in a common European currency. Le Pen also has suggested she would step down if she were elected but her referendum later to fail. At the moment, polls are not in her favor for either situation: She is not expected to win the presidency, and the French are not expected to want withdrawal from the EU. At the moment, however, polls are largely meaningless and should not comfort, for example, Ukrainians who would rather all presidents of major EU countries recognize their territorial sovereignty. Cross post - and this is a bit different from what I understood you were saying in your previous post.

chris123

hove actually 04 Jan 17 6.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Under this model, France could reintroduce a currency such as the franc, while maintaining economic relationships with the eurozone.

[Link]

Cross post - and this is a bit different from what I understood you were saying in your previous post.

steeleye20 Croydon 04 Jan 17 7.27pm
The French are proud of the EU their idea after all. The French election is supposed to work against extremes of right or left it looks unfair to us but its cool I think. One way out of Brexit is to move there houses and flats you can afford and peaceful I am comparing to Croydon though. Edited by steeleye20 (04 Jan 2017 7.30pm)

steeleye20

Croydon 04 Jan 17 7.27pm

The French are proud of the EU their idea after all.

The French election is supposed to work against extremes of right or left it looks unfair to us but its cool I think.

One way out of Brexit is to move there houses and flats you can afford and peaceful I am comparing to Croydon though.

Edited by steeleye20 (04 Jan 2017 7.30pm)

Kermit8 Hevon 04 Jan 17 7.38pm
New Ambassador to the EU is Sir Tim Farrow who is a fluent Russian speaker and worked a long time in Moscow. Vlad P is appointing just about everyone around the globe. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 04 Jan 17 7.38pm

New Ambassador to the EU is Sir Tim Farrow who is a fluent Russian speaker and worked a long time in Moscow.

Vlad P is appointing just about everyone around the globe.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 04 Jan 17 7.39pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Returning border controls to member states may not immediately kill off the EU but it's a near-fatal kick in the nads nonetheless. One wonders whether Le Pen is being a typical politician and changing her view prior to an election in order to appeal to wavering voters. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 04 Jan 17 7.39pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Returning border controls to member states may not immediately kill off the EU but it's a near-fatal kick in the nads nonetheless.

One wonders whether Le Pen is being a typical politician and changing her view prior to an election in order to appeal to wavering voters.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 New Ambassador to the EU is Sir Tim Farrow who is a fluent Russian speaker and worked a long time in Moscow. Vlad P is appointing just about everyone around the globe. Typo - Barrow.

chris123

hove actually 04 Jan 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

New Ambassador to the EU is Sir Tim Farrow who is a fluent Russian speaker and worked a long time in Moscow.

Vlad P is appointing just about everyone around the globe.

Typo - Barrow.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 04 Jan 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The French are proud of the EU their idea after all. The French election is supposed to work against extremes of right or left it looks unfair to us but its cool I think. One way out of Brexit is to move there houses and flats you can afford and peaceful I am comparing to Croydon though. Edited by steeleye20 (04 Jan 2017 7.30pm) Yes, I can recommend some nice places near St Denis in Paris where I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 04 Jan 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The French are proud of the EU their idea after all.

The French election is supposed to work against extremes of right or left it looks unfair to us but its cool I think.

One way out of Brexit is to move there houses and flats you can afford and peaceful I am comparing to Croydon though.

Edited by steeleye20 (04 Jan 2017 7.30pm)

Yes, I can recommend some nice places near St Denis in Paris where I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 05 Jan 17 9.08am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Yes, I can recommend some nice places near St Denis in Paris where I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms. I knew you would find me out in the end.

steeleye20

Croydon 05 Jan 17 9.08am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Yes, I can recommend some nice places near St Denis in Paris where I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms.

I knew you would find me out in the end.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 Jan 17 10.59am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I knew you would find me out in the end. I'd be very happy to pay your fare. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 05 Jan 17 10.59am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I knew you would find me out in the end.

I'd be very happy to pay your fare.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 17 1.05pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders. Could it be that a right-wing anti establishment backlash leading to the break up of the EU is pie in the sky wishful thinking? Reckon what's happening in th UK regarding an EU exit may be putting others with the same ideas off. So what? Europe has always trailed behind Britain in modern times for almost everything.We cast off religion before them, we restrained monarchy before them and we started the Industrial Revolution. The EU is a failed idea that always had a single European state as it's ultimate goal. As a left winger, you should see the pitfalls of that aim and how globalisation is another ploy by commerce to make more profit at the expense of the worker. Now, the worker and business need each other make no mistake, but the reward for making the rich richer has to be a fair percentage of the profit. If we allow a deluge of cheap labour to flood this Europe then a trickle down should make us all richer but we both know that that won;t happen and the proof is in stagnating wages and the pressure on services resulting in more cost to all of us. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jan 2017 1.06pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jan 2017 1.08pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jan 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just heard that Le Pen aren't going to push for an EU exit but still want to be able to control borders.

So what?

Europe has always trailed behind Britain in modern times for almost everything.We cast off religion before them, we restrained monarchy before them and we started the Industrial Revolution.
The EU is a failed idea that always had a single European state as it's ultimate goal.
As a left winger, you should see the pitfalls of that aim and how globalisation is another ploy by commerce to make more profit at the expense of the worker.

Now, the worker and business need each other make no mistake, but the reward for making the rich richer has to be a fair percentage of the profit. If we allow a deluge of cheap labour to flood this Europe then a trickle down should make us all richer but we both know that that won;t happen and the proof is in stagnating wages and the pressure on services resulting in more cost to all of us.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jan 2017 1.06pm)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jan 2017 1.08pm)

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jan 17 7.35pm
Originally posted by tome I'm wondering what you're on - seems pretty straightforward to me. He's just pointing out his view that Rogers believes he will be made a scapegoat for the problems that occur with the Brexit process. So he is leaving. Not that hard is it? Rodgers was meant to be leaving the job in the summer anyway and knew he could not do what he did with Cameron (end up with sweet FA) so jumped ship before he was pushed. All steeleye20 did was make up some stupid sentence about him leaving before he got the blame for things if they did go wrong.!!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jan 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by tome

I'm wondering what you're on - seems pretty straightforward to me.

He's just pointing out his view that Rogers believes he will be made a scapegoat for the problems that occur with the Brexit process. So he is leaving. Not that hard is it?

Rodgers was meant to be leaving the job in the summer anyway and knew he could not do what he did with Cameron (end up with sweet FA) so jumped ship before he was pushed. All steeleye20 did was make up some stupid sentence about him leaving before he got the blame for things if they did go wrong.!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

matt_himself Matataland 06 Jan 17 4.30am
Economists admit that Brexit economic forecasting contained 'errors': [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 06 Jan 17 4.30am

Economists admit that Brexit economic forecasting contained 'errors':

[Link]

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jan 17 8.59am
Originally posted by tome I'm wondering what you're on - seems pretty straightforward to me. He's just pointing out his view that Rogers believes he will be made a scapegoat for the problems that occur with the Brexit process. So he is leaving. Not that hard is it? Of course not and his deputy resigned just before him. Lot of people saying we don't have enough experience in negotiation at this level whereas the EU has.

steeleye20

Croydon 06 Jan 17 8.59am

Originally posted by tome

I'm wondering what you're on - seems pretty straightforward to me.

He's just pointing out his view that Rogers believes he will be made a scapegoat for the problems that occur with the Brexit process. So he is leaving. Not that hard is it?

Of course not and his deputy resigned just before him.
Lot of people saying we don't have enough experience in negotiation at this level whereas the EU has.

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