And a lot of people voted on how it's affecting others around the country and how it's going to affect them further. That's as well as voting with our own children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and so on.

It's not just about numbers of immigrants and housing and suppressed wages. It's also about the EU being pro big business, making fat cats and shareholders richer off imported cheap labour and costing smaller businesses for that reason and because they cannot export around the world when facing tariffs of up to 50% in some cases.

There is also the changing face of our communities for some but that's a concern for only some communities, for now.

Living wage and the cheap labour pull in 2020. Immigrants living 4 to a room to make it worthwhile and not worthwhile for our low paid who need to live properly on these wages. We need to cover welfare with our own citizens at some point rather than importing cheap labour, but then people won't be having 2 or more kids because they cannot get or afford housing for a 2 child family.

God I could go on and on and so could our problems. You can't fix a country in one week or year. It'll take some time but we should try, and try very very hard.

Add the wages being taken back to East European countries. Some of them are very open about that is their intention. I don't blame them, good luck to them. But it doesn't help our economy, if you know economics. It is never mentioned, and wasn't in the debates, because it'll be seen as xenophobic, or racist, which is technically inaccurate anyway. Only taxes paid vs benefits claimed.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Jun 2016 12.43pm)

COYP

I'm not asking you for guidance as to which way to vote I was asking for say 5 bullet points as to why leaving is good in your eyes/works for you personally. Not going to pull you on it just wanted to know from someone who is so pro leave what they'll gain.

I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses.

Enjoy your walk and GoT...although based on what you said in the spoiler thread you'll soon be disappointed as the mother of dragons power rarely gets them out after season 1.

Edited by fledgling (28 Jun 2016 12.40pm)

That's not my point. I would imagine a lot of big-hitter leavers will have made sure their finance were secure before all this.

Like the rest (most) of us, why not sink or swim?

Please try to stop reading things into my posts which aren't there. I have said that the result of the referendum has given added impetus to a nationalistic feel within the country.

Most people express this nationalism in the proper way. Some, the far right, have grabbed onto this feeling and the amount of racist attacks reported have risen significantly. I have not blamed the majority of people who voted leave for this but I have no doubt that the far right groups also voted for leave (if they can make a X of course) but I have never suggested they represent the majority of the leave voters.

As I said if you actually read what I have posted you will see I have NOT insinuated what you are suggesting.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

A lot of low paid workers could and should receive more pay with less imported cheap labour. The more comfortable aren't experiencing such hardship they we anticipate or weren't told or asked before the floodgates opened in 2004.

COYP

Give it up mate, dozens of posters have debated this rationally and sensibly. Stop the straw clutching.

Did you sign the petition for another referendum?

COYP