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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 14 Jan 17 6.35pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

It certainly is if they are paying taxes

On which note what do you make of the intervention of the Dutch Deputy Prime Minister suggesting they will veto a Brexit agreement which allows the UK to be a low-tax venue for corporations and the mega-rich?

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Seems to be something which both sides agree is a problem - the elites playing states off against each other and stuffing the workers.

Some reasonable views on migration too.

 


A one and a two...

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Jan 17 6.45pm

Originally posted by tome

On which note what do you make of the intervention of the Dutch Deputy Prime Minister suggesting they will veto a Brexit agreement which allows the UK to be a low-tax venue for corporations and the mega-rich?

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Seems to be something which both sides agree is a problem - the elites playing states off against each other and stuffing the workers.

Some reasonable views on migration too.

Wonder what the other 26 countries will be vetoing brexit over.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 14 Jan 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

It wouldn't be any higher as these rises have nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with the “bailouts” and quantitative easing projects, a never-ending river of currency created (out of thin air) and pumped into companies for near zero interest.
It was these free loans that allowed companies to purchase their own stocks through stock buybacks thus reducing the number of existing stocks on the exchanges and artificially boosting the price of the remaining stocks.
This has caused the stock market to skyrocket but it does nothing to help the economy at all, it just papers over the cracks.

Some banks received 'bailouts' and they have been among the worst performing FTSE sectors. The best performing sector in the FTSE during the last year has been the mining sector and they received no 'bailouts'.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Jan 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Some banks received 'bailouts' and they have been among the worst performing FTSE sectors. The best performing sector in the FTSE during the last year has been the mining sector and they received no 'bailouts'.

I am not a 'corbynista' but IMO a private company is precisely that and we should end all handouts whether by taxation or subsidies that they receive.

They should be contributing to society not the other way round.

I'll lie down for a while phew!

 

.TUX. Flag 14 Jan 17 8.24pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Some banks received 'bailouts' and they have been among the worst performing FTSE sectors. The best performing sector in the FTSE during the last year has been the mining sector and they received no 'bailouts'.

I know

You've obviously done some homework, well done (i honestly mean that). Do some more, delve a bit deeper, and you'll learn that the FTSE isn't really the be all and end all bud.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 14 Jan 17 8.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am not a 'corbynista' but IMO a private company is precisely that and we should end all handouts whether by taxation or subsidies that they receive.

They should be contributing to society not the other way round.

I'll lie down for a while phew!

I more or less agree with you on that. However, I think the Labour government under Brown had no option but to bail the failing banks out in an unprecedented situation. Otherwise they risked an economic meltdown with mass-bankruptcies of companies and individuals and mass-unemployment that would have seriously threatened the social stability of the country.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Jan 2017 8.34pm)

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jan 17 8.33pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I more or less agree with you on that. However, I think the Labour government under Brown had no option but to bail the failing banks out in an unprecedented situation. Otherwise they risked an economic meltdown with mass-unemployment that would have seriously threatened the social stability of the country.


A shame criminal charges or a ban from working in the sector couldn't have been brought upon those responsible. (as was done in Iceland) Instead we have pretty much the same people who facked up before.

 

.TUX. Flag 14 Jan 17 8.42pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I more or less agree with you on that. However, I think the Labour government under Brown had no option but to bail the failing banks out in an unprecedented situation. Otherwise they risked an economic meltdown with mass-bankruptcies of companies and individuals and mass-unemployment that would have seriously threatened the social stability of the country.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Jan 2017 8.34pm)

You need to listen to Jim Grant and his take on the recession, early 1920's, that cured itself with no Central bank influence.
More homework, but it's worth it.

Edit: It puts the constant bailing out of the banksters (that WE pay for) into perspective.

Edited by .TUX. (14 Jan 2017 8.50pm)

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 14 Jan 17 11.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wonder what the other 26 countries will be vetoing brexit over.

No country has a "veto" on Brexit. They don't even have a "veto" on the Article 50 withdrawal agreement. It is subject to qualified majority voting.

 

davenotamonkey Flag 14 Jan 17 11.29pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

No country has a "veto" on Brexit. They don't even have a "veto" on the Article 50 withdrawal agreement. It is subject to qualified majority voting.

...and incidentally:

The vision of a low-tax Britain that enforces fewer regulations in terms of workers’ rights on businesses has been a motivating force for a number of high profile Brexit supporters.

What utter tosh. Because "low-tax" is synonymous with "fewer workers rights"? Jesus, the quality of Graun editorial just keeps plunging. You can see the bearded sandal-wearers spitting out their granola in outrage, as they tenuously try to make the link themselves, their neurons weakly sputtering to life in the left-side of their skulls.

Skim down, and you can really hit Graun-bingo: "xenophobia", "Corbyn", "LGBT" among other gems. Pathetic.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 17 12.44am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

...and incidentally:

The vision of a low-tax Britain that enforces fewer regulations in terms of workers’ rights on businesses has been a motivating force for a number of high profile Brexit supporters.

What utter tosh. Because "low-tax" is synonymous with "fewer workers rights"? Jesus, the quality of Graun editorial just keeps plunging. You can see the bearded sandal-wearers spitting out their granola in outrage, as they tenuously try to make the link themselves, their neurons weakly sputtering to life in the left-side of their skulls.

Skim down, and you can really hit Graun-bingo: "xenophobia", "Corbyn", "LGBT" among other gems. Pathetic.


Anyone who seriously believes that a Tory Government will protect either employment rights or environmental protection really should think of doing an accumulator on the Lotto and Euromillions because you've a better chance of winning on that than you have of the former.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Jan 17 9.07am

Originally posted by nickgusset


Anyone who seriously believes that a Tory Government will protect either employment rights or environmental protection really should think of doing an accumulator on the Lotto and Euromillions because you've a better chance of winning on that than you have of the former.

Anyone who believes that there will be much employment around to have rights about under a Corbyn government shouldn't bother to do the Lottery as the currency will be pretty worthless too.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Jan 17 9.39am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

No country has a "veto" on Brexit. They don't even have a "veto" on the Article 50 withdrawal agreement. It is subject to qualified majority voting.

I mean veto in the blocking sense and delaying also court cases actually qualified majority voting too.

The 'theatre' shifts to Europe itself this year I guess now we have to think what Trump may do hopefully leave brexit alone but he has so much power.

 

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 15 Jan 17 11.45am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

...and incidentally:

The vision of a low-tax Britain that enforces fewer regulations in terms of workers’ rights on businesses has been a motivating force for a number of high profile Brexit supporters.

What utter tosh. Because "low-tax" is synonymous with "fewer workers rights"? Jesus, the quality of Graun editorial just keeps plunging. You can see the bearded sandal-wearers spitting out their granola in outrage, as they tenuously try to make the link themselves, their neurons weakly sputtering to life in the left-side of their skulls.

Skim down, and you can really hit Graun-bingo: "xenophobia", "Corbyn", "LGBT" among other gems. Pathetic.

Actually, I think it's your generalisations that are pathetic. The article doesn't say it's synonymous, it suggests that many people who sought Brexit value a low-tax economy with fewer regulations. Do you disagree with that?

Personally, I can also see how they can be synonymous, as regulations cost tax money to enforce. Some countries have systems that apply these regulations because they think it's worth it - that environmental protection, workers' rights and so on are more important than short term profit margins and mitigate the likelihood of expensive disasters.

 


A one and a two...

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Jan 17 1.15pm

Excellent speech by Theresa May. Contrast with in denial Tim Farron and hapless Jeremy Corbyn. I think she has just boosted her support in the country to even greater heights.

Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Jan 2017 1.16pm)

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 Jan 17 1.28pm

One thing she forgot to mention; The EU will be holding the aces and deciding the final terms of our trade deals with them and not the other way round.

Good bluster though, Teresa.

 


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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Jan 17 1.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Excellent speech by Theresa May. Contrast with in denial Tim Farron and hapless Jeremy Corbyn. I think she has just boosted her support in the country to even greater heights.

Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Jan 2017 1.16pm)

What, for regurgitating the referendum campaign soundbites?

I will honestly give due credit if her team can actually deliver tariff-free, unfettered access to EU markets "as promised" without being the in the free movement club.

Until such time....what a load of empty rhetoric. Let's hope she's held to account for all of it in due course against what's actually delivered. (I fully accept that there's a chance she'll pull off a miracle and earn a landslide election victory on the back of it, but I won't be betting on it.)

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

europalace Flag Europe 17 Jan 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

One thing she forgot to mention; The EU will be holding the aces and deciding the final terms of our trade deals with them and not the other way round.

Good bluster though, Teresa.

Yep, totally agree. Easy for May right now to talk, shout and demand but it's simply to boost her standing in the UK to try and stop the panic. Most of what she 'demands' will never come to fruition during the real negotiations that will start in April this year. Big inflation coming the UK's way isn't going to give her any help whatsoever.

Edited by europalace (17 Jan 2017 1.38pm)

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Jan 17 1.56pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

What, for regurgitating the referendum campaign soundbites?

I will honestly give due credit if her team can actually deliver tariff-free, unfettered access to EU markets "as promised" without being the in the free movement club.

Until such time....what a load of empty rhetoric. Let's hope she's held to account for all of it in due course against what's actually delivered. (I fully accept that there's a chance she'll pull off a miracle and earn a landslide election victory on the back of it, but I won't be betting on it.)

No, for making it clear that we are leaving the EU and not going for some worst of both worlds, half-way-house that the likes Farron want.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Jan 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Excellent speech by Theresa May. Contrast with in denial Tim Farron and hapless Jeremy Corbyn. I think she has just boosted her support in the country to even greater heights.

Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Jan 2017 1.16pm)

What 'support in the country' is that?

The country has NOT elected the PM.

 

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