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nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 17 Jan 17 7.55pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You know more than this chap? You think you know more than him? The wanton delusion of some of the Brexiteers like yourself is appalling. [Link] Chris Patten. Former EU commissioner. Yeah, totally and utterly unbiased view of someone desperate to protect his EU pension. I find it amusing you accusing Brexiteers of being delusional while totally ignoring the delusional Remainers like Tony Blair, Fallon, and all the rest who feel their wishes mean more than the 52% who voted for Brexit.

nhp61

Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 17 Jan 17 7.55pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You know more than this chap? You think you know more than him? The wanton delusion of some of the Brexiteers like yourself is appalling.

[Link]

Chris Patten. Former EU commissioner. Yeah, totally and utterly unbiased view of someone desperate to protect his EU pension.

I find it amusing you accusing Brexiteers of being delusional while totally ignoring the delusional Remainers like Tony Blair, Fallon, and all the rest who feel their wishes mean more than the 52% who voted for Brexit.

Kermit8 Hevon 17 Jan 17 8.07pm
Originally posted by nhp61 Chris Patten. Former EU commissioner. Yeah, totally and utterly unbiased view of someone desperate to protect his EU pension. I find it amusing you accusing Brexiteers of being delusional while totally ignoring the delusional Remainers like Tony Blair, Fallon, and all the rest who feel their wishes mean more than the 52% who voted for Brexit. I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit? A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 17 Jan 17 8.07pm

Originally posted by nhp61

Chris Patten. Former EU commissioner. Yeah, totally and utterly unbiased view of someone desperate to protect his EU pension.

I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit?

A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Jan 17 8.24pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What about the constant references to Norway wot Nige said was the model we should follow. Farage said he "feared" a Norway style arrangement, he did not want one. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Jan 17 8.24pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What about the constant references to Norway wot Nige said was the model we should follow.

Farage said he "feared" a Norway style arrangement, he did not want one.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Jan 17 8.25pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit? A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity. Me for one. Can be as hard as they like - declare war on the EU for all I care. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Jan 17 8.25pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit?

A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity.

Me for one. Can be as hard as they like - declare war on the EU for all I care.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

europalace Europe 17 Jan 17 10.18pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 They should be as concerned as the millions of American and other non-EU nationals who live in Europe should be, ie not concerned at all (apart from the on-going problems of the EU that will blight their lives). I've lived in 5 EU countries during the last 22 years. Every single one has provided a much higher quality of life for us than we ever had in the UK. Income is higher, expendable income also higher, health systems infinitely better and also education. Some of you should give it a try. My kids now also speak 3 languages as a result. So please explain what in the EU is 'blighting' our lives? The UK media spread so many lies about the EU and people like you actually believe the rubbish they spout. I've lived in 6 countries in Europe including the UK and that is the only country I would never take my family back to. Edited by europalace (17 Jan 2017 10.22pm)

europalace

Europe 17 Jan 17 10.18pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

They should be as concerned as the millions of American and other non-EU nationals who live in Europe should be, ie not concerned at all (apart from the on-going problems of the EU that will blight their lives).

I've lived in 5 EU countries during the last 22 years. Every single one has provided a much higher quality of life for us than we ever had in the UK. Income is higher, expendable income also higher, health systems infinitely better and also education. Some of you should give it a try. My kids now also speak 3 languages as a result.

So please explain what in the EU is 'blighting' our lives? The UK media spread so many lies about the EU and people like you actually believe the rubbish they spout. I've lived in 6 countries in Europe including the UK and that is the only country I would never take my family back to.

Edited by europalace (17 Jan 2017 10.22pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jan 17 10.36pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Farage said he "feared" a Norway style arrangement, he did not want one. he has said that, but watch the video. mixed messages or what! [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Jan 17 10.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Farage said he "feared" a Norway style arrangement, he did not want one.

he has said that, but watch the video. mixed messages or what!

[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jan 17 11.13pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit? A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity. People voted to leave. Hard Brexit is a term invented by bigoted Remainers to imply it is bad, no analysis of the situation. The only way for us to have control is by leaving the customs union and the single market. But who says we won't have access to it when we leave? The EU hasn't said that. The government hasn't said that. The only people saying it are the bigoted Remainers isn't not a shred of evidence to back us their comments. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jan 17 11.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I wonder how many of the 51.9% voted for a Hard Brexit?

A second referendum would be rather interesting now that there is clarity.

People voted to leave. Hard Brexit is a term invented by bigoted Remainers to imply it is bad, no analysis of the situation.

The only way for us to have control is by leaving the customs union and the single market. But who says we won't have access to it when we leave? The EU hasn't said that. The government hasn't said that. The only people saying it are the bigoted Remainers isn't not a shred of evidence to back us their comments.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

davenotamonkey 17 Jan 17 11.35pm
Originally posted by nickgusset he has said that, but watch the video. mixed messages or what! [Link] What authority does Farage have in defining government policy? Moreover, did we elect the "Leave party" to government after the referendum? No. It is the government that has always been responsible for policy, the buck stops with them. There were no manifesto promises, because we were voting on a position, and not for a putative government. The government has correctly interpreted that leaving the EU doesn't involve "just leaving a finger in", it means the same arrangement the overwhelming majority of countries around the world currently enjoy. Just stop revisiting the referendum campaign with the "he said, she said" rubbish. A lot on here are still in the denial stage of grieving for, ahem, "Europe" - still four more states until acceptance/hope: get to it.

davenotamonkey

17 Jan 17 11.35pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

he has said that, but watch the video. mixed messages or what!

[Link]

What authority does Farage have in defining government policy? Moreover, did we elect the "Leave party" to government after the referendum?

No. It is the government that has always been responsible for policy, the buck stops with them. There were no manifesto promises, because we were voting on a position, and not for a putative government. The government has correctly interpreted that leaving the EU doesn't involve "just leaving a finger in", it means the same arrangement the overwhelming majority of countries around the world currently enjoy.

Just stop revisiting the referendum campaign with the "he said, she said" rubbish. A lot on here are still in the denial stage of grieving for, ahem, "Europe" - still four more states until acceptance/hope: get to it.

hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Jan 17 8.20am
Originally posted by europalace I've lived in 5 EU countries during the last 22 years. Every single one has provided a much higher quality of life for us than we ever had in the UK. Income is higher, expendable income also higher, health systems infinitely better and also education. Some of you should give it a try. My kids now also speak 3 languages as a result. So please explain what in the EU is 'blighting' our lives? The UK media spread so many lies about the EU and people like you actually believe the rubbish they spout. I've lived in 6 countries in Europe including the UK and that is the only country I would never take my family back to. Edited by europalace (17 Jan 2017 10.22pm) Which 5 countries? Are you a bankrobber? Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jan 2017 9.44am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Jan 17 8.20am

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (17 Jan 2017 10.22pm)

Which 5 countries? Are you a bankrobber?

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jan 2017 9.44am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

europalace Europe 18 Jan 17 8.51am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Which 5 countries? Germany, Austria, Italy, Malta, Netherlands.

europalace

Europe 18 Jan 17 8.51am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Which 5 countries?

Germany, Austria, Italy, Malta, Netherlands.

Hoof Hearted 18 Jan 17 1.39pm
The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him! The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!) ....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here.

Hoof Hearted 18 Jan 17 1.39pm

The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him!

The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!)

....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 1.42pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him! The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!) ....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here. Good to see the self awareness here.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 1.42pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him!

....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here.

Good to see the self awareness here.

jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jan 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him! The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!) ....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here. Could reasonably spell financial disaster for Scotland. Not that that would necessarily stop people voting for something, there is a considered risk to the UK economy, certainly in the short term, that leaving the EU could damage the UK econonmy as well. I don't think it will seriously damage the UK economy, but its very reasonable to consider it will have an impact, certainly in the short term, of being outside the Common Market. Also, in addition, the UK rental market and thus housing market, is heavily based on EU migrants. Removing them from the equation, is likely to result in a drop in rental demand - This is likely to result in property being sold to cover losses (and defaulted buy to let mortgages) and carry over a knock on into the wider housing market (which could in term affect a lot of investment portfolios, banks, building societies etc). So, I wouldn't be too sure that 'financial stability' trumps 'nationalist nonsense' every time. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jan 2017 1.49pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 18 Jan 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him!

The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!)

....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here.

Could reasonably spell financial disaster for Scotland. Not that that would necessarily stop people voting for something, there is a considered risk to the UK economy, certainly in the short term, that leaving the EU could damage the UK econonmy as well.

I don't think it will seriously damage the UK economy, but its very reasonable to consider it will have an impact, certainly in the short term, of being outside the Common Market.

Also, in addition, the UK rental market and thus housing market, is heavily based on EU migrants. Removing them from the equation, is likely to result in a drop in rental demand - This is likely to result in property being sold to cover losses (and defaulted buy to let mortgages) and carry over a knock on into the wider housing market (which could in term affect a lot of investment portfolios, banks, building societies etc).

So, I wouldn't be too sure that 'financial stability' trumps 'nationalist nonsense' every time.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jan 2017 1.49pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 18 Jan 17 1.47pm
Originally posted by europalace Germany, Austria, Italy, Malta, Netherlands. Five countries that wont be spending £100bn or so on nuclear weapons over the next thirty years. Edited by Sedlescombe (18 Jan 2017 1.47pm)

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 18 Jan 17 1.47pm

Originally posted by europalace

Germany, Austria, Italy, Malta, Netherlands.

Five countries that wont be spending £100bn or so on nuclear weapons over the next thirty years.

Edited by Sedlescombe (18 Jan 2017 1.47pm)

Hoof Hearted 18 Jan 17 1.51pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Could reasonably spell financial disaster for Scotland. Not that that would necessarily stop people voting for something, there is a considered risk to the UK economy, certainly in the short term, that leaving the EU could damage the UK econonmy as well. I don't think it will seriously damage the UK economy, but its very reasonable to consider it will have an impact, certainly in the short term, of being outside the Common Market. THe understatement of the decade jamie! Scotland would be fcuked in a very short time and would fare no better than Greece. Last time they had the referendum on Independence the canny Jocks threw it out... since then Oil revenues have plummeted making it a total non starter on economic grounds now. She knows it too... her current bravado is a bluff to obtain further freebies for devolution.

Hoof Hearted 18 Jan 17 1.51pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think it will seriously damage the UK economy, but its very reasonable to consider it will have an impact, certainly in the short term, of being outside the Common Market.

THe understatement of the decade jamie!

Scotland would be fcuked in a very short time and would fare no better than Greece.

Last time they had the referendum on Independence the canny Jocks threw it out... since then Oil revenues have plummeted making it a total non starter on economic grounds now.

She knows it too... her current bravado is a bluff to obtain further freebies for devolution.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 1.57pm
Hmm Has this cartoonist got it right. Attachment: FB_IMG_1484747696567.jpg (41.26Kb)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 1.57pm

Hmm

Has this cartoonist got it right.

Attachment: FB_IMG_1484747696567.jpg (41.26Kb)

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Jan 17 2.06pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted THe understatement of the decade jamie! Scotland would be fcuked in a very short time and would fare no better than Greece. Last time they had the referendum on Independence the canny Jocks threw it out... since then Oil revenues have plummeted making it a total non starter on economic grounds now. She knows it too... her current bravado is a bluff to obtain further freebies for devolution. I don't think Mrs.S is bluffing but she will want to choose the right moment and we are still have 2 years to go.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Jan 17 2.06pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

THe understatement of the decade jamie!

Scotland would be fcuked in a very short time and would fare no better than Greece.

Last time they had the referendum on Independence the canny Jocks threw it out... since then Oil revenues have plummeted making it a total non starter on economic grounds now.

She knows it too... her current bravado is a bluff to obtain further freebies for devolution.

I don't think Mrs.S is bluffing but she will want to choose the right moment and we are still have 2 years to go.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 18 Jan 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him! The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!) ....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here. It is an interesting debate to be had around the state of the Scottish economy in the event of Independence. However if the case is that the Scottish economy is too weak to support itself then why is that an argument for staying within the UK? Surely after 250 years of rule from London then the only way the Scottish economy is every to support itself is - as I believe others have said to "take back control"

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 18 Jan 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The biggest tw@t to pass comment about Brexit yesterday was Tim Farron.... I thought he was going to burst into tears bless him!

The usual SNP yap yap yap from wee Jimmy Krankie as well.... making sure we don't forget her "threat" of Scottish Independence (except that most of the Jocks are too clever to actually vote for it as it would spell financial disaster for Scotland!)

....and the usual suspects spouting the same old bollocks on here.

It is an interesting debate to be had around the state of the Scottish economy in the event of Independence. However if the case is that the Scottish economy is too weak to support itself then why is that an argument for staying within the UK? Surely after 250 years of rule from London then the only way the Scottish economy is every to support itself is - as I believe others have said to "take back control"

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 2.35pm
worth a read. Unpicks the positives and negatives of Bitch Spawn of Blair's speech yesterday: [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Jan 17 2.35pm

worth a read. Unpicks the positives and negatives of Bitch Spawn of Blair's speech yesterday:

[Link]

chris123 hove actually 18 Jan 17 6.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset worth a read. Unpicks the positives and negatives of Bitch Spawn of Blair's speech yesterday: [Link] You really are quite charming aren't you.

chris123

hove actually 18 Jan 17 6.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

worth a read. Unpicks the positives and negatives of Bitch Spawn of Blair's speech yesterday:

[Link]

You really are quite charming aren't you.

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