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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 16 8.22am
David Miliband's thoughts: ""My message is simple: Now is not the time for unilateral political disarmament. "No nation in human peacetime history, never mind Britain, has voluntarily given up as much political power as we are being invited to throw away on 23 June." "For what? A cold, hard lesson in the demon of hubris, born of delusion that the world owes us a break. "A tragic miscalculation which weakens ourselves, our friends and the international order on which we depend." Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Apr 16 8.22am

David Miliband's thoughts:

""My message is simple: Now is not the time for unilateral political disarmament.
"No nation in human peacetime history, never mind Britain, has voluntarily given up as much political power as we are being invited to throw away on 23 June."
"For what? A cold, hard lesson in the demon of hubris, born of delusion that the world owes us a break.
"A tragic miscalculation which weakens ourselves, our friends and the international order on which we depend."

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am)

Big chest and massive boobs

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chris123 hove actually 12 Apr 16 8.33am
Originally posted by Kermit8 David Miliband's thoughts: ""My message is simple: Now is not the time for unilateral political disarmament. "No nation in human peacetime history, never mind Britain, has voluntarily given up as much political power as we are being invited to throw away on 23 June." "For what? A cold, hard lesson in the demon of hubris, born of delusion that the world owes us a break. "A tragic miscalculation which weakens ourselves, our friends and the international order on which we depend." Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am) I'm pro exit - and have never thought anyone owes us anything, a little too much prolix from DM perhaps.

chris123

hove actually 12 Apr 16 8.33am

Originally posted by Kermit8

David Miliband's thoughts:

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am)

I'm pro exit - and have never thought anyone owes us anything, a little too much prolix from DM perhaps.

Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 12.12pm
Originally posted by Willo The EU costs us £350 MILLION a week.We get less than half of this back and we have NO control over the way it's spent - this is decided by politicians and officials in Brussels, rather than those we elected here at home. You keep reminding them Willo.... The left (sorry remain) camp, put their fingers in their ears and sing lalala when this is brought up. We are wasting over £175 MILLION a week after all the subsidies we get from the EU because of bureaucratic waste and the needs of poorer EU nations. We will be much better off economically outside of the EU.

Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 12.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

The EU costs us £350 MILLION a week.We get less than half of this back and we have NO control over the way it's spent - this is decided by politicians and officials in Brussels, rather than those we elected here at home.

You keep reminding them Willo....

The left (sorry remain) camp, put their fingers in their ears and sing lalala when this is brought up.

We are wasting over £175 MILLION a week after all the subsidies we get from the EU because of bureaucratic waste and the needs of poorer EU nations.

We will be much better off economically outside of the EU.

Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 12.16pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 David Miliband's thoughts: "How can I manipulate myself back into the political scene in the UK after the embarrassing loss to my goofy brother a few years back and being in the wilderness since?" EFA. Wouldn't trust any Miliband as far as I could throw one... all were like Nazi Generals to Blair's Hitler.

Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 12.16pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

David Miliband's thoughts:

"How can I manipulate myself back into the political scene in the UK after the embarrassing loss to my goofy brother a few years back and being in the wilderness since?"

EFA.

Wouldn't trust any Miliband as far as I could throw one... all were like Nazi Generals to Blair's Hitler.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 16 12.19pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You keep reminding them Willo.... The left (sorry remain) camp, put their fingers in their ears and sing lalala when this is brought up. We are wasting over £175 MILLION a week after all the subsidies we get from the EU because of bureaucratic waste and the needs of poorer EU nations. We will be much better off economically outside of the EU. Over the past decade the UK has paid over £150 billion to the EU budget. We send about £350 million to Brussels every week. This is about half the English schools budget, four times the Scottish schools budget, four times the science budget, and about 60 times what we spend on the NHS cancer drugs fund. If we vote to ‘remain’, it is a vote for the permanent payment to Brussels of all this money. It will get worse. UK taxpayers will be paying for the huge bills caused by the euro’s crisis. All this money could be better spent.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 16 12.19pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You keep reminding them Willo....

The left (sorry remain) camp, put their fingers in their ears and sing lalala when this is brought up.

We are wasting over £175 MILLION a week after all the subsidies we get from the EU because of bureaucratic waste and the needs of poorer EU nations.

We will be much better off economically outside of the EU.

Over the past decade the UK has paid over £150 billion to the EU budget. We send
about £350 million to Brussels every week. This is about half the English schools
budget, four times the Scottish schools budget, four times the science budget,
and about 60 times what we spend on the NHS cancer drugs fund.
If we vote to ‘remain’, it is a vote for the permanent payment to Brussels of
all this money. It will get worse. UK taxpayers will be paying for the huge bills
caused by the euro’s crisis. All this money could be better spent.

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 16 12.52pm
Originally posted by Willo Over the past decade the UK has paid over £150 billion to the EU budget. We send about £350 million to Brussels every week. This is about half the English schools budget, four times the Scottish schools budget, four times the science budget, and about 60 times what we spend on the NHS cancer drugs fund. If we vote to ‘remain’, it is a vote for the permanent payment to Brussels of all this money. It will get worse. UK taxpayers will be paying for the huge bills caused by the euro’s crisis. All this money could be better spent. Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part. [Link] We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Apr 16 12.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part.

[Link]

We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 1.06pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part. [Link] We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm) None of which you can prove or even put numbers to, but we are expected to believe it? By contrast many small self employed traders say that the bureaucratic terms and regulation the EU impose cause them to have higher costs. So... at best if I'm being generous ... my argument completely negates yours, so why are we paying a net £175 Million a week?

Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 1.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part.

[Link]

We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm)

None of which you can prove or even put numbers to, but we are expected to believe it?

By contrast many small self employed traders say that the bureaucratic terms and regulation the EU impose cause them to have higher costs.

So... at best if I'm being generous ... my argument completely negates yours, so why are we paying a net £175 Million a week?

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 16 2.07pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted None of which you can prove or even put numbers to, but we are expected to believe it? By contrast many small self employed traders say that the bureaucratic terms and regulation the EU impose cause them to have higher costs. So... at best if I'm being generous ... my argument completely negates yours, so why are we paying a net £175 Million a week? £18mill x 7 days = £126million not £175mil. As for proof well, this and a bit of common sense and rationale go a long way. "Access to a .6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement - the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers - such as different product regulations - by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations. 76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs. It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership. The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 7bn of the UK’s total of 3bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported 1bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals). The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms on strong terms The EU is a springboard for trade with the rest of the world through its global clout: it accounted for 23% of the global economy in 2012 in dollar terms. Through 30 trade deals negotiated by the EU, including the Single Market itself, British firms have full access to a trillion market. The recent deal with Canada and on-going discussions with Japan and the US could double this to trillion - the UK would struggle to achieve the same quality of trade deals independently. 58% of CBI members think that extra-EU trade agreements have had a positive impact on their business, including 55% of SMEs, compared to 3% who thought the impact was negative." CBI It's staring us all in the face. Economically, the EU is pretty good for us. If someone could disprove that and have a concrete and definite and implementable plan which will be better for us than being a member then go for it. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 2.09pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Apr 16 2.07pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

None of which you can prove or even put numbers to, but we are expected to believe it?

By contrast many small self employed traders say that the bureaucratic terms and regulation the EU impose cause them to have higher costs.

So... at best if I'm being generous ... my argument completely negates yours, so why are we paying a net £175 Million a week?

£18mill x 7 days = £126million not £175mil.

As for proof well, this and a bit of common sense and rationale go a long way.

"Access to a .6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement - the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers - such as different product regulations - by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations.
76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs.
It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership.
The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 7bn of the UK’s total of 3bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported 1bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals).
The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms on strong terms

The EU is a springboard for trade with the rest of the world through its global clout: it accounted for 23% of the global economy in 2012 in dollar terms. Through 30 trade deals negotiated by the EU, including the Single Market itself, British firms have full access to a trillion market. The recent deal with Canada and on-going discussions with Japan and the US could double this to trillion - the UK would struggle to achieve the same quality of trade deals independently.
58% of CBI members think that extra-EU trade agreements have had a positive impact on their business, including 55% of SMEs, compared to 3% who thought the impact was negative."

CBI

It's staring us all in the face. Economically, the EU is pretty good for us.

If someone could disprove that and have a concrete and definite and implementable plan which will be better for us than being a member then go for it.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 2.09pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stuk Top half 12 Apr 16 2.29pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 David Miliband's thoughts: ""My message is simple: Now is not the time for unilateral political disarmament. "No nation in human peacetime history, never mind Britain, has voluntarily given up as much political power as we are being invited to throw away on 23 June." "For what? A cold, hard lesson in the demon of hubris, born of delusion that the world owes us a break. "A tragic miscalculation which weakens ourselves, our friends and the international order on which we depend." Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am) That prick doesn't live in the EU, never mind the UK. Every morning, he walks his children from the family’s rented apartment in Manhattan’s well-heeled Upper West Side to school and then joins the suited masses converging on midtown offices. The only delusional is that he thinks anyone gives a crap what he says about it. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 12 Apr 16 2.29pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

David Miliband's thoughts:

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 8.22am)

That prick doesn't live in the EU, never mind the UK.

Every morning, he walks his children from the family’s rented apartment in Manhattan’s well-heeled Upper West Side to school and then joins the suited masses converging on midtown offices.

The only delusional is that he thinks anyone gives a crap what he says about it.

Optimistic as ever

johnfirewall 12 Apr 16 2.47pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 £18mill x 7 days = £126million not £175mil. As for proof well, this and a bit of common sense and rationale go a long way. "Access to a .6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement - the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers - such as different product regulations - by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations. 76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs. It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership. The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 7bn of the UK’s total of 3bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported 1bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals). The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms on strong terms The EU is a springboard for trade with the rest of the world through its global clout: it accounted for 23% of the global economy in 2012 in dollar terms. Through 30 trade deals negotiated by the EU, including the Single Market itself, British firms have full access to a trillion market. The recent deal with Canada and on-going discussions with Japan and the US could double this to trillion - the UK would struggle to achieve the same quality of trade deals independently. 58% of CBI members think that extra-EU trade agreements have had a positive impact on their business, including 55% of SMEs, compared to 3% who thought the impact was negative." CBI It's staring us all in the face. Economically, the EU is pretty good for us. If someone could disprove that and have a concrete and definite and implementable plan which will be better for us than being a member then go for it. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 2.09pm) Did we not trade with anyone else before and will people refuse to do so were we to vote out? We would have had our own pre-EEC deals with Canada and the US. Why could a new trans-Atlantic deal not be extended to an independent Britain? Edited by johnfirewall (12 Apr 2016 2.51pm)

johnfirewall

12 Apr 16 2.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

£18mill x 7 days = £126million not £175mil.

As for proof well, this and a bit of common sense and rationale go a long way.

"Access to a .6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

CBI

It's staring us all in the face. Economically, the EU is pretty good for us.

If someone could disprove that and have a concrete and definite and implementable plan which will be better for us than being a member then go for it.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 2.09pm)

Did we not trade with anyone else before and will people refuse to do so were we to vote out?

We would have had our own pre-EEC deals with Canada and the US. Why could a new trans-Atlantic deal not be extended to an independent Britain?

Edited by johnfirewall (12 Apr 2016 2.51pm)

nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 12 Apr 16 6.17pm
The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah... It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave. One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK. If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners. Cameron's pathetic "renegotiation" isn't worth the paper it's written on. Vote to remain, and the EU parliament can, as they have threatened, block what minor concessions that were agreed. Making the whole pantomime a complete waste of time. Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power.

nhp61

Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 12 Apr 16 6.17pm

The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah...

It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave.

One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK.

If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners.

Cameron's pathetic "renegotiation" isn't worth the paper it's written on. Vote to remain, and the EU parliament can, as they have threatened, block what minor concessions that were agreed. Making the whole pantomime a complete waste of time.

Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Apr 16 6.22pm
Originally posted by nhp61 The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah... It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave. One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK. If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners. Cameron's pathetic "renegotiation" isn't worth the paper it's written on. Vote to remain, and the EU parliament can, as they have threatened, block what minor concessions that were agreed. Making the whole pantomime a complete waste of time. Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power. Our politicians don't have the experience, know how, guts or courage to negotiate anything if we leave and IMO that's part of why they'd prefer to stay. They've rarely ever had to. They've been so used to being ruled by an external body they don't know anything else. Just like an abused spouse, they make excuses and are scared of what's on the other side. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Apr 16 6.22pm

Originally posted by nhp61

The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah...

It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave.

One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK.

If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners.

Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power.

Our politicians don't have the experience, know how, guts or courage to negotiate anything if we leave and IMO that's part of why they'd prefer to stay. They've rarely ever had to. They've been so used to being ruled by an external body they don't know anything else. Just like an abused spouse, they make excuses and are scared of what's on the other side.

COYP

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 6.58pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part. [Link] We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm) Lefty talk for I have no f***ing idea what I'm talking about. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 6.58pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Histrionic lobbying, sir, on your part.

[Link]

We give the EU £18mill a day in real terms once the rebate and others factors are included but we get way more than that back through lower costs in shops,etc, because of our membership.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 12.54pm)

Lefty talk for I have no f***ing idea what I'm talking about.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 16 7.10pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall Did we not trade with anyone else before and will people refuse to do so were we to vote out? We would have had our own pre-EEC deals with Canada and the US. Why could a new trans-Atlantic deal not be extended to an independent Britain? Edited by johnfirewall (12 Apr 2016 2.51pm) Whilst we are in the EU we cannot make deals on our own.Consequently we have no trade deals with allies such as the USA,Australia or India, or important growing economies such as India and Brazil.Instead of making a deal which is beneficial to the UK, we have to wait for the 27 other countries to agree to it.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 16 7.10pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Did we not trade with anyone else before and will people refuse to do so were we to vote out?

We would have had our own pre-EEC deals with Canada and the US. Why could a new trans-Atlantic deal not be extended to an independent Britain?

Edited by johnfirewall (12 Apr 2016 2.51pm)

Whilst we are in the EU we cannot make deals on our own.Consequently we have no trade deals with allies such as the USA,Australia or India, or important growing economies such as India and Brazil.Instead of making a deal which is beneficial to the UK, we have to wait for the 27 other countries to agree to it.

JHB London 12 Apr 16 7.10pm
Originally posted by nhp61 The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah... It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave. One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK. If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners. Cameron's pathetic "renegotiation" isn't worth the paper it's written on. Vote to remain, and the EU parliament can, as they have threatened, block what minor concessions that were agreed. Making the whole pantomime a complete waste of time. Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power. I agree with the desire for democratic accountability but to be consistent Brexit supporters must surely also campaign for the abolition of the House of Lords, the Monarchy and a reform of the voting system as well.

JHB

London 12 Apr 16 7.10pm

Originally posted by nhp61

The "In" campaign are continually banging on about how much worse off we would be if we left, how much weaker we would be, how more dangerous the world will be, blah blah blah...

It's all cobblers. Nobody knows what it will be like if we leave.

One thing I do know, and that is if we vote to leave, our government will be back in charge, making laws that benefit the UK.

If we stay, we will end up being more and more under the thumb of unelected and unaccountable foreigners.

Our parliamentary system is not perfect, but at least we can vote out whoever is in power.

I agree with the desire for democratic accountability but to be consistent Brexit supporters must surely also campaign for the abolition of the House of Lords, the Monarchy and a reform of the voting system as well.

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 16 9.14pm
Originally posted by dannyh Lefty talk for I have no f***ing idea what I'm talking about. Nice attempt but a big fat fall flat on yer face fail. It's in the link which you obviously haven't read. You will learn something if you do. Go for it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Apr 16 9.14pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Lefty talk for I have no f***ing idea what I'm talking about.

Nice attempt but a big fat fall flat on yer face fail. It's in the link which you obviously haven't read. You will learn something if you do. Go for it.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 16 9.23pm
Latest IMF report backed up by a leading world economist has a forecast which is pretty bad if a Brexit occurs. [Link] Well worth a read for both sides. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 9.26pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Apr 16 9.23pm

Latest IMF report backed up by a leading world economist has a forecast which is pretty bad if a Brexit occurs.

[Link]

Well worth a read for both sides.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 9.26pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

becky over the moon 12 Apr 16 9.34pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Latest IMF report backed up by a leading world economist has a forecast which is pretty bad if a Brexit occurs. [Link] Well worth a read for both sides. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 9.26pm) Is that the same IMF that regularly imposes huge contribution demands on the UK to fund the losses in the Euro crisis countries? Guess it would be pretty bad for them if they couldn't rely on our payments, just like the other EU countries having to stump up to keep their private club running without our contributions. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 12 Apr 16 9.34pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Latest IMF report backed up by a leading world economist has a forecast which is pretty bad if a Brexit occurs.

[Link]

Well worth a read for both sides.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2016 9.26pm)

Is that the same IMF that regularly imposes huge contribution demands on the UK to fund the losses in the Euro crisis countries?

Guess it would be pretty bad for them if they couldn't rely on our payments, just like the other EU countries having to stump up to keep their private club running without our contributions.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 9.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Nice attempt but a big fat fall flat on yer face fail. It's in the link which you obviously haven't read. You will learn something if you do. Go for it. HAHA you really have turned to the dark side I remember posts of your professing not to be lefty blah blah. You go about accusing posters of "histrionics" and your doing exactly the same thing to suit your argument, but when anyone dares point out the flaws in your argument, as becky has done already with that load of old woof from the IMF, we are all stupid froathing at the mouth racists. You sound more and more like Corbyn with each passing post. Ohh and just to show I did bother reading your link this is from it. in the same post you accuse the poster of histrionics. in relation to the money we pay the EU. "For context, that is more than the annual budget of the Home Office, which spends about £9 billion a year. It’s around a tenth of the budget for the NHS in England. It’s also enough to reduce the basic rate of income tax by 3p in the pound." That amount is 12.9 BILLION which is after the rebate that THATCHER negotiated in 84,and is in effect enough money to give everyone in the UK £200. My original comment stands im afraid old chap. Edited by dannyh (12 Apr 2016 10.00pm) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 9.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Nice attempt but a big fat fall flat on yer face fail. It's in the link which you obviously haven't read. You will learn something if you do. Go for it.

HAHA you really have turned to the dark side I remember posts of your professing not to be lefty blah blah. You go about accusing posters of "histrionics" and your doing exactly the same thing to suit your argument, but when anyone dares point out the flaws in your argument, as becky has done already with that load of old woof from the IMF, we are all stupid froathing at the mouth racists.

You sound more and more like Corbyn with each passing post.

Ohh and just to show I did bother reading your link this is from it. in the same post you accuse the poster of histrionics.

in relation to the money we pay the EU.

"For context, that is more than the annual budget of the Home Office, which spends about £9 billion a year. It’s around a tenth of the budget for the NHS in England. It’s also enough to reduce the basic rate of income tax by 3p in the pound."

That amount is 12.9 BILLION which is after the rebate that THATCHER negotiated in 84,and is in effect enough money to give everyone in the UK £200.

My original comment stands im afraid old chap.

Edited by dannyh (12 Apr 2016 10.00pm)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 9.59pm
Originally posted by becky Is that the same IMF that regularly imposes huge contribution demands on the UK to fund the losses in the Euro crisis countries? Guess it would be pretty bad for them if they couldn't rely on our payments, just like the other EU countries having to stump up to keep their private club running without our contributions. Your wasting your time he's currently having a mid life bromance with Gussett and Corbyn. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Apr 16 9.59pm

Originally posted by becky

Is that the same IMF that regularly imposes huge contribution demands on the UK to fund the losses in the Euro crisis countries?

Guess it would be pretty bad for them if they couldn't rely on our payments, just like the other EU countries having to stump up to keep their private club running without our contributions.

Your wasting your time he's currently having a mid life bromance with Gussett and Corbyn.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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