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Orange1290 Flag 13 Apr 21 7.57pm


Border checks set to rise and UK relaxes rules for imports
12-Mar-2021 By James Ridler

More checks for products entering the EU, relaxation on goods coming into the UK and a decline in exports to the continent has caused concern among the food and drink industry.

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Pro China, EU & Palestine

davenotamonkey Flag 15 Apr 21 4.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit has already cost £11.5billion in trade, Centre for European Reform think tank estimates.

That would be far more accurate than a leave tory rag extolling brexit to the point of complete delusion.

Obviously if your trade collapses to near zero and recovers 0.4% it is still disastrous unnecessary self-harm.

Why?

Why would a pro-EU think tank do anything other than promote their pro-EU vision? Why do you think they would want to portray our decision to leave the EU as a positive one when they say:

We have always been and will remain a pro-EU think-tank.

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The Dolphin Flag 15 Apr 21 6.42pm

Seconded!!

 

Matov Flag 16 Apr 21 10.28am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

We have always been and will remain a pro-EU think-tank.


So it's more a PR agency than a Think Tank?

What makes me giggle is when people still describe themselves as 'Remainers'. LOL. And then have the audacity to accuse us Gammons of living in the past?

Rejoining the EU is a perfectly valid political ambition to promote. Sing it out loud. Be proud of that.

But to proclaim yourself as 'Pro' can only come with the flipside of being 'Anti' something else. Leaving me to make the conclusion that this Think Tank actually want the UK to fail, to become lesser than because it had the audacity to leave the EU.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Apr 21 11.46am

Looks like Johnson's deal will be ratified, which I guess is some sort of legal seal.

As it is so one-sided and advantageous to the EU it should be a formality.

I read that Versailles, the post WW1 treaty that led to the rise of Hitler, was never actually ratified by the USA congress.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 16 Apr 21 3.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Looks like Johnson's deal will be ratified, which I guess is some sort of legal seal.

As it is so one-sided and advantageous to the EU it should be a formality.

I read that Versailles, the post WW1 treaty that led to the rise of Hitler, was never actually ratified by the USA congress.

What a false comparison!
Also, you wanted the UK to take a tougher line with the EU did you?!
There really is no end to your nonsense.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Apr 21 5.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Looks like Johnson's deal will be ratified, which I guess is some sort of legal seal.

As it is so one-sided and advantageous to the EU it should be a formality.

I read that Versailles, the post WW1 treaty that led to the rise of Hitler, was never actually ratified by the USA congress.

I know, and that attempt at European unification failed too, as did the next one, the ten before that and the current one too.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Apr 21 7.12am

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Orange1290 Flag 17 Apr 21 7.34am

Well:

"Mr Barnier, said to want to become the French president"

So, he would be stirring up people's emotions, so it's a non story, an election is looming.

However, this is actual reality, not just a remote possibility, the Border Farce hasn't changed at all, even before 2016 it was common to see such unacceptable service blaming those who are paying and never those who are being paid

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Edited by Orange1290 (17 Apr 2021 7.35am)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Apr 21 8.40am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Well:

"Mr Barnier, said to want to become the French president"

So, he would be stirring up people's emotions, so it's a non story, an election is looming.

However, this is actual reality, not just a remote possibility, the Border Farce hasn't changed at all, even before 2016 it was common to see such unacceptable service blaming those who are paying and never those who are being paid

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Edited by Orange1290 (17 Apr 2021 7.35am)

I am afraid to say you do not know what you are talking about. Passengers are fully aware of documents required to show on arrival, if they choose not to have them ready, whose fault is that? This is what is leading to delays. If you have worked at an airport you will know that scheduling of arriving flights is ridiculous, solely to make as much money as possible, no concerns for passengers or staff.
With regard to Heathrow there is enough BF staff, they have staff from 5 Terminals working at 2, staff from Gatwick, Stansted, Luton, Bristol are going there on a daily basis. Not making this up my wife is BF and does it! I was also BF for over 30 years so am fully aware of what happens regarding scheduling. Don’t place the blame unless you know the full facts, although I appreciate that doesn’t suit your agenda.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 21 9.13am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am afraid to say you do not know what you are talking about. Passengers are fully aware of documents required to show on arrival, if they choose not to have them ready, whose fault is that? This is what is leading to delays. If you have worked at an airport you will know that scheduling of arriving flights is ridiculous, solely to make as much money as possible, no concerns for passengers or staff.
With regard to Heathrow there is enough BF staff, they have staff from 5 Terminals working at 2, staff from Gatwick, Stansted, Luton, Bristol are going there on a daily basis. Not making this up my wife is BF and does it! I was also BF for over 30 years so am fully aware of what happens regarding scheduling. Don’t place the blame unless you know the full facts, although I appreciate that doesn’t suit your agenda.

Edited by Spiderman (17 Apr 2021 8.41am)

Edited by Spiderman (17 Apr 2021 8.45am)

BF told the media they are finding 100 forged vaccine documents per day.

So people arriving (back) to this country think they can avoid quarantine or paying for tests by giving staff mickey mouse photocopy certificates.

I hope these people are severely fined.

And speaking of idiots when I came back from Poland in September I reminded our group to do their Passenger Locator form online before we even got to the airport in Krakow. They all had bar one loud mouth know it all.

Luckily he wasn't on my flight he insisted he did not need to do it and would sort it out at Manchester airport if need be. Well all it takes is to have 2/3 idiots like that per flight and you can see why BF staff are struggling with the volume.

Unfortunately for the rest of us who obey the rules we may get stuck behind these idiots.

I have a lot of sympathy for BF staff

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Apr 21 9.26am

Originally posted by Badger11

BF told the media they are finding 100 forged vaccine documents per day.

So people arriving (back) to this country think they can avoid quarantine or paying for tests by giving staff mickey mouse photocopy certificates.

I hope these people are severely fined.

And speaking of idiots when I came back from Poland in September I reminded our group to do their Passenger Locator form online before we even got to the airport in Krakow. They all had bar one loud mouth know it all.

Luckily he wasn't on my flight he insisted he did not need to do it and would sort it out at Manchester airport if need be. Well all it takes is to have 2/3 idiots like that per flight and you can see why BF staff are struggling with the volume.

Unfortunately for the rest of us who obey the rules we may get stuck behind these idiots.

I have a lot of sympathy for BF staff

Indeed. Airlines should check (haha) that all documents are in order before boarding. They are fined if passengers arrive without them. Unfortunately it is more than 2/3 per flight. Passengers are fined if they approach BF desk without documents. Of course this then entails BF Officers having to leave the desk to complete the paperwork. There are also Officers stationed at entrance to Arrivals Hall to assist passengers to complete forms ( shouldn’t be necessary). There have been instances where passengers have been arrested for refusing to complete the forms ( mainly Brits) all thus takes BF Officers away from their duties. But hey let’s not blame anyone but BF

You could also ask why are there so many passengers seeking entry? It is surprising how many adults have business interests in the Caribbean and gave to take their children with them!! BF fault?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Apr 21 9.24am

A minor victory in the shellfish dispute.

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Most of the problems with exporting are down to the EU playing games. Hopefully they will realise that this damages them as much as us silly to get into a trade war when these issues are easily resolved.

Meanwhile expats in the EU are finding life being made very difficult for them. Imagine the outcry in this country if we had done the same to their expats.

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Orange1290 Flag 18 Apr 21 9.48am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am afraid to say you do not know what you are talking about. Passengers are fully aware of documents required to show on arrival, if they choose not to have them ready, whose fault is that? This is what is leading to delays. If you have worked at an airport you will know that scheduling of arriving flights is ridiculous, solely to make as much money as possible, no concerns for passengers or staff.
With regard to Heathrow there is enough BF staff, they have staff from 5 Terminals working at 2, staff from Gatwick, Stansted, Luton, Bristol are going there on a daily basis. Not making this up my wife is BF and does it! I was also BF for over 30 years so am fully aware of what happens regarding scheduling. Don’t place the blame unless you know the full facts, although I appreciate that doesn’t suit your agenda.

Edited by Spiderman (17 Apr 2021 8.41am)

Edited by Spiderman (17 Apr 2021 8.45am)

No agenda at all, just experience of reality. I've experienced the utter disdain and disinterest when arriving at Heathrow, lots of staff behind the kiosks chatting away while only a handful of kiosks open and massive queues. So you were employed in this job. Well that makes you at total conflict of interest to reply, clearly defending the indefensible. There are hardly any flights coming into Heathrow compared to normal years and yet still the same "can't be bothered" attitude by the staff, who are getting paid and more than likely getting overtime, benefits etc. Meanwhile, those arriving have paid for the privilege after hours on a flight and should be treated as customers as they are paying the salaries of the border staff, instead are treated like objects getting in the way of the staff. Arrogance beyond belief, nothing changes.

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Orange1290 Flag 18 Apr 21 9.55am

Originally posted by Badger11

A minor victory in the shellfish dispute.

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Most of the problems with exporting are down to the EU playing games. Hopefully they will realise that this damages them as much as us silly to get into a trade war when these issues are easily resolved.

Meanwhile expats in the EU are finding life being made very difficult for them. Imagine the outcry in this country if we had done the same to their expats.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2021 9.24am)


Their are 27 sovereign nations dealing with the many UK immigrants in their countries and are being very flexible with the regulations. However, the UK decided to leave the EU bloc and become a third country in doing so. With becoming a third country, rules and regulations apply, all documented in the deal signed by Johnson. If you have a problem with that deal, go speak to him.


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Apr 21 10.11am

Ever tried the Metro B?

More than 440 financial firms have shifted thousands of jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK and into the EU because of Brexit, with more pain still to come.

Still maybe, but I actually doubt it, the EU will buy more of our crustaceans..........

I never experienced as a foreign worker in Germany, any such 'difficulties' at all, quite the reverse.

You simply have to obey the law as you would anywhere.

The UK wanted it that way, and that's what it got.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Apr 21 10.54am

Originally posted by Orange1290


Their are 27 sovereign nations dealing with the many UK immigrants in their countries and are being very flexible with the regulations. However, the UK decided to leave the EU bloc and become a third country in doing so. With becoming a third country, rules and regulations apply, all documented in the deal signed by Johnson. If you have a problem with that deal, go speak to him.


Edited by Orange1290 (18 Apr 2021 10.02am)

Really

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Apr 21 12.43pm

Once the UK has secured deals with other countries for goods im sure the eu will play ball. Its bully boy tactics because atm they can. The shoe will be on the other foot in good time so karma will happen. Early days. Nothing to stop boris changing rules over here for migrants. Who knows if he will but options are there to copy the eu.

 

Matov Flag 18 Apr 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Once the UK has secured deals with other countries for goods im sure the eu will play ball. Its bully boy tactics because atm they can. The shoe will be on the other foot in good time so karma will happen. Early days. Nothing to stop boris changing rules over here for migrants. Who knows if he will but options are there to copy the eu.


You have to see the EU in terms of being a wounded beast, that thinks it is fighting for its life. This vaccine debacle has done it enormous damage and like everybody on the receipt of such humiliation, it wants/needs to lash out.

Its plan was to make life as unpleasant as possible for the UK anyway and with Covid thrown into the mix, then it is in even more trouble. But its authority has been severely damaged and the limitations of the trend towards effectively dumping damaged political goods into EU leadership positions has finally had a severe come-uppance.

The UK needs to get through the rest of this year and break the back of Covid which means eating s*** for a bit more and then we can hit back.

The EU truly is an appallingly badly run institution that has no positive response to Brexit and unable to understand why it happened.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Apr 21 1.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ever tried the Metro B?

More than 440 financial firms have shifted thousands of jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK and into the EU because of Brexit, with more pain still to come.

Still maybe, but I actually doubt it, the EU will buy more of our crustaceans..........

I never experienced as a foreign worker in Germany, any such 'difficulties' at all, quite the reverse.

You simply have to obey the law as you would anywhere.

The UK wanted it that way, and that's what it got.

I haven't seen this story but I will take your word for it.

Companies always move assets and people around I lost my London job to Dublin because of the EU tax deal and when that ended the bank moved the same job to India. I remember the Irish Times complaining that Indians were stealing Irish jobs and where did the Irish get them?

So I am not surprised that assets and jobs moved to the EU we live in a capitalist world and businesses will do what they think is right for them.

What matters is how the UK economy performs and that is now largely in the hands of the UK government post Brexit. If they set the right tax and regulatory regime that business or others will come back to the UK.

So still to early to see if leaving was a disaster as some think.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2021 1.20pm)

 


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