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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
OK. Explain how they work, with particular emphasis on how those involved separate their personal beliefs from their professional responsibilities.
Edited by georgenorman (01 Aug 2023 8.53am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
OK. Explain how they work, with particular emphasis on how those involved separate their personal beliefs from their professional responsibilities. Who do you think you are ? I’m explaining nothing to you. It’s a waste of time . You carry on defending the indefensible.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn’t. You assumed it. You said "Some may be admirers of Farage". I assumed nothing - you clearly suggested it.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Ashers were charged with discriminating against a homosexual-rights agitator because of his homosexuality. They were found to be innocent of the charge. The key 'point of law' is that they were found not guilty, therefore they did not discriminate as charged - all your waffle and spin does not charge that. Edited by georgenorman (01 Aug 2023 8.51am) The previous two guilty verdicts were overturned on a specific point. That doesn’t mean there was no discrimination. They did not claim reputational damage to their business. They refused for personal reasons alone. Reasons that the SC decided were lawful. Which I accept they have the right to determine but believe an error which will eventually require primary legislation to correct. This is completely different to the Farage/Coutts event.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You said "Some may be admirers of Farage". I assumed nothing - you clearly suggested it. I did NOT mention the Board. You assumed that.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Who do you think you are ? I’m explaining nothing to you. It’s a waste of time . You carry on defending the indefensible. You are claiming to know better because of personal experience, which I don’t have and am willing to learn from. Up to you. I have offered the opportunity to explain. If it’s refused then there is nothing more I can do.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The previous two guilty verdicts were overturned on a specific point. That doesn’t mean there was no discrimination. They did not claim reputational damage to their business. They refused for personal reasons alone. Reasons that the SC decided were lawful. Which I accept they have the right to determine but believe an error which will eventually require primary legislation to correct. This is completely different to the Farage/Coutts event. They were found not guilty of discriminating against the agitator because of his sexuality, your attempt to obscure this with your waffle is predictable. Of course it is not completely different to the Farage/Coutts case. In both cases customers were turned away because of political/social reasons. (Personally I think businesses and individuals should be free to deal with or not deal with whoever they like.)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are claiming to know better because of personal experience, which I don’t have and am willing to learn from. Up to you. I have offered the opportunity to explain. If it’s refused then there is nothing more I can do. Correct. I’m not wasting any more of my time on you
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I did NOT mention the Board. You assumed that. Who were you referring to then? You made the post in answer to posts about individual board member's personal beliefs versus their professional duty.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
They were found not guilty of discriminating against the agitator because of his sexuality, your attempt to obscure this with your waffle is predictable. Of course it is not completely different to the Farage/Coutts case. In both cases customers were turned away because of political/social reasons. (Personally I think businesses and individuals should be free to deal with or not deal with whoever they like.) Coutts stand accused of that, here and in the court of public opinion. I think it’s incorrect and whilst their behaviour and responses have been terrible the original motivation was not. Ashers did though do it. Defined discrimination is unlawful. That something slips through a definition doesn’t mean it’s not discrimination.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Who were you referring to then? You made the post in answer to posts about individual board member's personal beliefs versus their professional duty. Not the Board. I was referring to those who sit on the committees making the assessments.
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Originally posted by Matov
My once every 6 month(ish) expression of my utter puzzlement as to why so many of you bright and erudite people waste a single moment engaging with this village idiot? May I express my utter puzzlement that anyone could use “bright and erudite” as a description here. It made me smile though.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No doubt people will draw their own conclusions from that. As I do. Well, how am I going to sleep at night now...I'll let you remain in ignorance although I don't think you need my help in that matter
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not the Board. I was referring to those who sit on the committees making the assessments. Ok, lets settle on those in Coutts who made the decision to dump Farage. My original comment still applies.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Coutts stand accused of that, here and in the court of public opinion. I think it’s incorrect and whilst their behaviour and responses have been terrible the original motivation was not. Ashers did though do it. Defined discrimination is unlawful. That something slips through a definition doesn’t mean it’s not discrimination. That's just hair-splitting waffle (your usual modus operandi). We have courts of law that determine whether a law has been broken. Ashers were found to have broken no law, they clearly did not discriminate, Coutts clearly did.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Ok, lets settle on those in Coutts who made the decision to dump Farage. My original comment still applies. You can settle all you wish. What’s obvious is that detail is unimportant for you, whilst detail is often the difference between fact and fiction. When you get an idea in your mind about anything no amount of reasoning has any chance of breaking through.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is from the Guardian who are hardly fans of Farage.
I have also read the Guardian’s reporting on this and noted that they, along with all the MSM, are taking this line. I wonder though if it will last and whether some quiet reflection produces a more objective approach. That Coutts were “virtual-signalling” is undoubtedly true. As is that Farage’s political beliefs lie at the base of the reasoning. What is not being explained at all is the mid-way step of why these things matter to the bank. Which isn’t because they disapprove of them for their politics but disapprove of them because of the potential impact on their bottom line.
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