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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jan 17 3.28pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

Fair point But he has looked at privatisation of NHS Professionals so it is a bit of a stretch for him to claim to not be in favour of privatisation
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Worth a read on this subject.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Jan 17 4.29pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

Well the current Health Secretary has openly expressed the desire to privatise the health service.

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So the Brexit government could definitely move towards privatisation. But then ironically by leaving the EU (and the collapse of the US/EU trade deals) we could have made it less inevitable, as being open to privatisation would have effectively been enforced.

Odd.

Certainly there is no shortage of proponents of privatisation in the current Tory party. And Nigel Farage also openly expressed that he was in favour of privatisation (although he then tried to backtrack and claim he never said things he was on record saying).

There is nothing wrong with privatisation of the NHS, both Germany and France have incredible health care systems, that are privatised, available to all citizens and provide arguably a better system and service than the NHS.

The important factor isn't whether something is run by the state or by private enterprise, but how its regulated, controlled and devised. Indeed, the French and German system, produce better value and service for their citizens, than the NHS and US systems.

The problem of the UK is that we tend towards US style privatisation.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 20 Jan 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

For the last time dear, Nigel Farage is not the government and has no control over health policy.

Why does his name keep coming up when government policy is mentioned? Lazy labelling and scapegoating by the left, per chance?

Where did I ever say he did "dear"? Plain lazy contribution from "the right"

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Jan 17 4.34pm

Originally posted by matt_himself


Keep living in la la land if you wish to. Right wing heroes like Nigel have won that right for you.

Edited by matt_himself (20 Jan 2017 3.13pm)

He has, how?

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 20 Jan 17 5.54pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

If you look through history, the way in which humanity has developed is through trade, entrepreneurialism and taking risk.

No society has flourished through socialism.

This is not because of the 'right wing media conspiracy', as no such a body existed in the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodia or in modern day North Korea or Cuba.

It is simply because human nature is defined as survival of the fittest.

Humans need to care for humans. That is why we encourage charity work, community work and mentoring.

However, the type of manufactured bulls*** you stand for is a simple attempt at a power grab that would result in a loss of hard fought for freedoms, a lot of deaths (socialism is good at that and even beating fascism hands down in body count), the ceasing of human development and a punch drunk culture of impassioned inaction.

You can chuck all the 'humanity' digs at me as you wish but I will stand by my view that the likes of Nigel Farage have achieved more for the common man than Jeremy f***ing Corbyn ever will.

Keep living in la la land if you wish to. Right wing heroes like Nigel have won that right for you.

Edited by matt_himself (20 Jan 2017 3.13pm)

Not true. Kerala has, in relation to other more capitalist states in India, with a Commie/Socialist regime for over 50 years post Independence.

A left-wing success story, don't you know. Now add workers rights across the Western World and other positive advances for those 'at the coal face' because of left-wing activism and it kind of puts your pathological hatred of anything not 'of The Right' in the 'special ward' where it belongs.

Edited by Kermit8 (20 Jan 2017 5.58pm)

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 17 6.00pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not true. Kerala has, in relation to other more capitalist states in India, with a Commie/Socialist regime for over 50 years post Independence.

A left-wing success story, don't you know. Now add workers rights across the Western World and other positive advances for those 'at the coal face' because of left-wing activism and it kind of puts your pathological hatred of anything not 'of The Right' in the 'special ward' where it belongs.

Edited by Kermit8 (20 Jan 2017 5.58pm)

never underestimate the credulity of the left.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jan 17 7.08pm

Now that Trump has said "From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
"Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength."
"We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and hire American." it
makes Theresa May look blindly and pathetically optimistic if she thinks she's going to get a trade deal with Trump's America that will benefit anyone but the Americans.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 17 7.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Now that Trump has said "From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
"Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength."
"We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and hire American." it
makes Theresa May look blindly and pathetically optimistic if she thinks she's going to get a trade deal with Trump's America that will benefit anyone but the Americans.

Couldn't agree more and we trade with them already without a 'trade deal'.

Looks like China v. America trade war in view of the new president's protectionist statements. Makes brexit look irrelevant.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

Well the current Health Secretary has openly expressed the desire to privatise the health service.

[Link]
[Link]

So the Brexit government could definitely move towards privatisation. But then ironically by leaving the EU (and the collapse of the US/EU trade deals) we could have made it less inevitable, as being open to privatisation would have effectively been enforced.

Odd.

Certainly there is no shortage of proponents of privatisation in the current Tory party. And Nigel Farage also openly expressed that he was in favour of privatisation (although he then tried to backtrack and claim he never said things he was on record saying).

So those old links (from partisan sources) mean it's DEFINITELY going to happen... Is that the best you can do?

My point was what has it got to do with Brexit??

And Nigel Farage has NO POWER.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Jan 2017 7.28pm)

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 17 7.28pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

There is nothing wrong with privatisation of the NHS, both Germany and France have incredible health care systems, that are privatised, available to all citizens and provide arguably a better system and service than the NHS.

The important factor isn't whether something is run by the state or by private enterprise, but how its regulated, controlled and devised. Indeed, the French and German system, produce better value and service for their citizens, than the NHS and US systems.

The problem of the UK is that we tend towards US style privatisation.

Very good post Jamie.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 17 7.47pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Very good post Jamie.

There is an NHS thread why not post to it.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 17 7.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is an NHS thread why not post to it.

Are you a moderator?

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 20 Jan 17 7.58pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

There is nothing wrong with privatisation of the NHS, both Germany and France have incredible health care systems, that are privatised, available to all citizens and provide arguably a better system and service than the NHS.

The important factor isn't whether something is run by the state or by private enterprise, but how its regulated, controlled and devised. Indeed, the French and German system, produce better value and service for their citizens, than the NHS and US systems.

The problem of the UK is that we tend towards US style privatisation.

Partly privatised. The government is still the major fund source for its *pardon the pun* operation. All German citizens are insured with comprehensive coverage paid for by employer and employee, not unlike NI contributions here. The Federal Ministry of Health controls all aspects of state healthcare and profiteering is not allowed with regard to the health of the people.

Something that would be great to have here but wouldn't get off the ground whilst the Right hold sway. Too socially responsible and not enough money to be made.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 17 7.58pm

Interesting to see George Osborne now working part-time for Blackrock. No wonder he was so keen to keep us in the EU for his banker mates. [Link]

Mind you, these pro EU politicians campaigners did the same...

Brown > Pimco
Blair > JPMorgan
Darling > Morgan Stanley
Mandelson > Lazards
Hague > Citi
King > Citi

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Jan 2017 8.08pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 17 8.03pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Are you a moderator?

No I don't think a moderator would stop people continually changing the subject of the thread to inform you of their idealistic opinions of an entirely different subject.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jan 17 8.03pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Are you a moderator?

-.-'

Hehe.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 17 8.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No I don't think a moderator would stop people continually changing the subject of the thread to inform you of their idealistic opinions of an entirely different subject.

Thanks.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 17 8.23pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Thanks.

 

Bert the Head Flag Epsom 20 Jan 17 10.46pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

"A few years down the line after BREXIT kicks in and we have a USA style health service..."

And you have got this from where exactly??

Well were are up for a US Trade Deal, and the TTIP got knocked back by Europe (the UK press were light on coverage) but we are on our own now and it is full of American companies bidding for our health services. But don't take my world for it look it up for yourself.

Edited by Bert the Head (20 Jan 2017 10.56pm)

 

Bert the Head Flag Epsom 20 Jan 17 10.55pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

I've read this several times. I just don't know what the fcuk you are on about. But you win the non-sequitur nonsensical strawman award for today. Well done!

Maybe you need read to more carefully and use the sentence "nonsensical strawman award for today" less readily.

Its harder to read and think than to copy and paste, but in the end more rewarding.

Edited by Bert the Head (20 Jan 2017 10.56pm)

 

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