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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Nov 21 11.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently. France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit. It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful. The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention. But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system. Correct, ironically, it would be illegal had we stayed in the E.U, with the Dublin deal, but as we are out there is nothing to say they have to claim refugee status in the first country they can.On the plus side, we are OUT, and WE ALONE control our borders! And a great job Priti is doing, has she abandoned her giant wave machine idea I wonder?

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 25 Nov 21 11.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently.

France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit.

It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful.

The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention.

But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system.

Correct, ironically, it would be illegal had we stayed in the E.U, with the Dublin deal, but as we are out there is nothing to say they have to claim refugee status in the first country they can.On the plus side, we are OUT, and WE ALONE control our borders! And a great job Priti is doing, has she abandoned her giant wave machine idea I wonder?

Teddy Eagle 25 Nov 21 11.34pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Correct, ironically, it would be illegal had we stayed in the E.U, with the Dublin deal, but as we are out there is nothing to say they have to claim refugee status in the first country they can.On the plus side, we are OUT, and WE ALONE control our borders! And a great job Priti is doing, has she abandoned her giant wave machine idea I wonder? How many countries do they go through to get to France?

Teddy Eagle

25 Nov 21 11.34pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

How many countries do they go through to get to France?

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Nov 21 11.55pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle How many countries do they go through to get to France? Many probably, but they are allowed to under the law, as we are a non E.U country.They are doing nothing wrong in heading to the uk to claim asylum, in the eyes of the law. Had we been in the E.U, they would have to claim at the first safe country, but we are not, so they don"t.We alone control our borders.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 25 Nov 21 11.55pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How many countries do they go through to get to France?

Many probably, but they are allowed to under the law, as we are a non E.U country.They are doing nothing wrong in heading to the uk to claim asylum, in the eyes of the law. Had we been in the E.U, they would have to claim at the first safe country, but we are not, so they don"t.We alone control our borders.

Teddy Eagle 26 Nov 21 12.34am
Originally posted by croydon proud Many probably, but they are allowed to under the law, as we are a non E.U country.They are doing nothing wrong in heading to the uk to claim asylum, in the eyes of the law. Had we been in the E.U, they would have to claim at the first safe country, but we are not, so they don"t.We alone control our borders. Then how do they get from one EU country into another? They’re no longer asylum seekers once they leave the first country.

Teddy Eagle

26 Nov 21 12.34am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Then how do they get from one EU country into another? They’re no longer asylum seekers once they leave the first country.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 1.46am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Then how do they get from one EU country into another? They’re no longer asylum seekers once they leave the first country. They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 1.46am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Then how do they get from one EU country into another? They’re no longer asylum seekers once they leave the first country.

They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year.

georgenorman 26 Nov 21 7.23am
Originally posted by croydon proud They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year. If you believe those figures represent the reality, you would believe that Norwich are going to win the Premier League.

georgenorman

26 Nov 21 7.23am

Originally posted by croydon proud

They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year.

If you believe those figures represent the reality, you would believe that Norwich are going to win the Premier League.

Orange1290 26 Nov 21 7.30am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Fine, so let's see you produce some posts that back up your drivel. I'm very patient, take your time. You conveniently avoided the facts I posted that showed the the UK to take in very small amounts of asylum seekers compared to other European countries such as France, Italy and Germany, the UK ranks 14th. That should make you happy, less non white skinned people for you to complain about. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

26 Nov 21 7.30am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Fine, so let's see you produce some posts that back up your drivel.

I'm very patient, take your time.

You conveniently avoided the facts I posted that showed the the UK to take in very small amounts of asylum seekers compared to other European countries such as France, Italy and Germany, the UK ranks 14th. That should make you happy, less non white skinned people for you to complain about.

Pro China, EU & Palestine

Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.41am
Originally posted by croydon proud Many probably, but they are allowed to under the law, as we are a non E.U country.They are doing nothing wrong in heading to the uk to claim asylum, in the eyes of the law. Had we been in the E.U, they would have to claim at the first safe country, but we are not, so they don"t.We alone control our borders. CP this has been going on for years, see my previous post about Sangatte, long pre-dates Brexit

Spiderman

Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.41am

Originally posted by croydon proud

CP this has been going on for years, see my previous post about Sangatte, long pre-dates Brexit

Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.44am
Originally posted by croydon proud They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year. By attempting to enter the UK illegally they have broken the law but not one that is enforced/enforcable. Not sure where you get your figures from but IMO they are way off the mark regarding genuine asylum seekers. With regard to removals, believe me the HO try but many obstacles put in the way Numerous appeals HR lawyers ( feathering their own nests possibly) Most are not detained so can easily “disappear “ Attempting to get documentation from their own governments Edited by Spiderman (26 Nov 2021 7.48am)

Spiderman

Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.44am

Originally posted by croydon proud

By attempting to enter the UK illegally they have broken the law but not one that is enforced/enforcable.
Not sure where you get your figures from but IMO they are way off the mark regarding genuine asylum seekers.
With regard to removals, believe me the HO try but many obstacles put in the way
Numerous appeals
HR lawyers ( feathering their own nests possibly)
Most are not detained so can easily “disappear “
Attempting to get documentation from their own governments

Edited by Spiderman (26 Nov 2021 7.48am)

Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.52am
Originally posted by Orange1290 You conveniently avoided the facts I posted that showed the the UK to take in very small amounts of asylum seekers compared to other European countries such as France, Italy and Germany, the UK ranks 14th. That should make you happy, less non white skinned people for you to complain about. Portugal take very few, perhaps whilst you are there you could lobby the government and request they take a fair share of the thousands of displaced people roaming Europe

Spiderman

Horsham 26 Nov 21 7.52am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Portugal take very few, perhaps whilst you are there you could lobby the government and request they take a fair share of the thousands of displaced people roaming Europe

Teddy Eagle 26 Nov 21 8.12am
Originally posted by croydon proud They may have broken the law in the E.U, but not by entering the uk, once here, they have not broken any of our laws. And as we are non E.U, it is none of our business, let the E.U countries worry about them passing through. Nearly 85% of those claiming asylum here, are genuine and can stay, and only 6 have been sent back this year. Sorry CP, I’m not following the logic. When we were in the EU we couldn’t stop people coming because of freedom of movement and now we’re not in the EU we can’t stop people because it’s none of our business?

Teddy Eagle

26 Nov 21 8.12am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Sorry CP, I’m not following the logic. When we were in the EU we couldn’t stop people coming because of freedom of movement and now we’re not in the EU we can’t stop people because it’s none of our business?

The Dolphin 26 Nov 21 8.32am
Originally posted by Orange1290 Correct and the fact that France takes in and settles far, far more than the UK makes it even more of a no brainer in moral terms. Unfortunately the brexit mantra of chest beating and attempting to give the UK a 'bully boy' image by the current 'government' has caused the death of women, children and even very sadly a pregnant woman. Utterly shameful and in full view of the rest of the world. In 2018 - last figures I could find - the UK were no 6 in the world list for immigration at just under 500,000 incoming. France did not even make the top 10. Do you have more recent facts?

The Dolphin

26 Nov 21 8.32am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Correct and the fact that France takes in and settles far, far more than the UK makes it even more of a no brainer in moral terms. Unfortunately the brexit mantra of chest beating and attempting to give the UK a 'bully boy' image by the current 'government' has caused the death of women, children and even very sadly a pregnant woman. Utterly shameful and in full view of the rest of the world.

In 2018 - last figures I could find - the UK were no 6 in the world list for immigration at just under 500,000 incoming.
France did not even make the top 10.
Do you have more recent facts?

chris123 hove actually 26 Nov 21 9.16am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle How many countries do they go through to get to France? Yesterday France 24 news channel was reporting that some migrants had applied for asylum in other EU countries and that had been refused.

chris123

hove actually 26 Nov 21 9.16am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How many countries do they go through to get to France?

Yesterday France 24 news channel was reporting that some migrants had applied for asylum in other EU countries and that had been refused.

steeleye20 Croydon 26 Nov 21 12.16pm
'Tory MPs cast proxy votes while on corporate jolly at Royal Ascot' Good to see the government taking migrant deaths seriously.

steeleye20

Croydon 26 Nov 21 12.16pm

'Tory MPs cast proxy votes while on corporate jolly at Royal Ascot'

Good to see the government taking migrant deaths seriously.

georgenorman 26 Nov 21 1.03pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Tory MPs cast proxy votes while on corporate jolly at Royal Ascot' Good to see the government taking migrant deaths seriously. Two Tory MPs used proxy votes while attending Ascot races in June. What on earth does that have to do with the deaths of illegal immigrants?

georgenorman

26 Nov 21 1.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Tory MPs cast proxy votes while on corporate jolly at Royal Ascot'

Good to see the government taking migrant deaths seriously.

Two Tory MPs used proxy votes while attending Ascot races in June. What on earth does that have to do with the deaths of illegal immigrants?

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.27pm
Originally posted by Spiderman By attempting to enter the UK illegally they have broken the law but not one that is enforced/enforcable. Not sure where you get your figures from but IMO they are way off the mark regarding genuine asylum seekers. With regard to removals, believe me the HO try but many obstacles put in the way Numerous appeals HR lawyers ( feathering their own nests possibly) Most are not detained so can easily “disappear “ Attempting to get documentation from their own governments Edited by Spiderman (26 Nov 2021 7.48am) It was on LBC spider yesterday, and they don"t throw figures around unless correct, they are always picking up callers saying you can"t say that as its not factual. I do respect your experience in the game thou and am not saying before brexit things were great, but these were the figures stated yesterday.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.27pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Edited by Spiderman (26 Nov 2021 7.48am)

It was on LBC spider yesterday, and they don"t throw figures around unless correct, they are always picking up callers saying you can"t say that as its not factual. I do respect your experience in the game thou and am not saying before brexit things were great, but these were the figures stated yesterday.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.34pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Sorry CP, I’m not following the logic. When we were in the EU we couldn’t stop people coming because of freedom of movement and now we’re not in the EU we can’t stop people because it’s none of our business? We voted to abolish the returns agreement with brexit, we could have returned people before we left, if the will was there, now we can"t!Now, we alone control our borders, sounds great in theory, in practice we are a sitting duck for refugees to come. And asking the French to take the refugees/migrants back, isn"t going to wash, why would they? Great to see the French get some backbone and take control, by telling Priti shes not welcome in negotiations, it might force the issue and we can get someone who actually knows what they are doing in charge!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.34pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

We voted to abolish the returns agreement with brexit, we could have returned people before we left, if the will was there, now we can"t!Now, we alone control our borders, sounds great in theory, in practice we are a sitting duck for refugees to come. And asking the French to take the refugees/migrants back, isn"t going to wash, why would they? Great to see the French get some backbone and take control, by telling Priti shes not welcome in negotiations, it might force the issue and we can get someone who actually knows what they are doing in charge!

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.38pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin In 2018 - last figures I could find - the UK were no 6 in the world list for immigration at just under 500,000 incoming. France did not even make the top 10. Do you have more recent facts? France take double ours and Germany three orfour times the amount,we don"t take as many as we used to, only have made it harder to claim asylum now with normal routes in , thats why they are coming by dingy.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 26 Nov 21 2.38pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

In 2018 - last figures I could find - the UK were no 6 in the world list for immigration at just under 500,000 incoming.
France did not even make the top 10.
Do you have more recent facts?

France take double ours and Germany three orfour times the amount,we don"t take as many as we used to, only have made it harder to claim asylum now with normal routes in , thats why they are coming by dingy.

PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Nov 21 3.25pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Portugal take very few, perhaps whilst you are there you could lobby the government and request they take a fair share of the thousands of displaced people roaming Europe you mean ''tens of thousands of young men, of military age, who came here of their own volition. Mostly from countries not currently at War. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 26 Nov 21 3.25pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Portugal take very few, perhaps whilst you are there you could lobby the government and request they take a fair share of the thousands of displaced people roaming Europe

you mean ''tens of thousands of young men, of military age, who came here of their own volition.

Mostly from countries not currently at War.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

chris123 hove actually 26 Nov 21 3.43pm
Originally posted by croydon proud France take double ours and Germany three orfour times the amount,we don"t take as many as we used to, only have made it harder to claim asylum now with normal routes in , thats why they are coming by dingy. Economic migrants rather than asylum?

chris123

hove actually 26 Nov 21 3.43pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Economic migrants rather than asylum?

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