Ok here goes..

67,000 Europeans came here without an immediate job to go to out of the hundreds of thousands in one recent year according to a report a few months back. How many got employment within a month or two i do not know but the figures tell us the vast majority are not a burden but do, in fact, work, pay taxes and help the UK generally.

But, more importantly and in relation, the population of the UK is going to pass 70million over the next twenty years whether we are 'in' or 'out'. Loads of Plymouths. Sustainabilty is a real and presently serious issue but it something which goes beyond a Brexit. We need more hospitals but I keep seeing smaller ones being closed down.

Totally agree with you re: bail outs. Giving the same credit rating to lower end economies and without due diligence was beneficial to Goldman Sachs but stupidly irresponsible, and possibly corrupt, by the EU suits. Hopefully, lessons will have been learned but I am not holding my breath. Beyond that it is important for the Balkan states to come aboard as, let's face it, a lot of world trouble has emanated from that lot. Common goals and economic interests will dilute the chances of any conflict and that will be good for the whole of Europe going into the future.

The money we give to the EU we get back and more through the rebate and cheaper goods. It is estimated that for each £1 a UK family puts toward the EU budget they get £3 back via lower household bills because of our membership.

The impact of the vast majority of laws/directives from the EU is there but something we don't really think about. Pissy little stuff from food labelling to getting refunds for late aircraft to the more important ones like cleaner rivers, seas and beaches.

The ones that get up peoples noses are a tiny minority. Their law is an ass sometimes but so is UK law and we don't threaten to leave our system and set up an entirely new judicial way because some acts are passed which are reprehensible: I'm looking at you 'Poll Tax'. We lobby from within for change. As we should with the EU. It may take a long time but pressure counts when backed by the masses and the right people.

EU law itself is interpreted by the Court of Justice of the European Union. This is completely separate from the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which interprets the European Convention on Human Rights.

We can't ignore EU legislation but we can certainly challenge it. If there are doubts about the EU's legitimacy for making a particular piece of legislation because it does not meet a Treaty objective then national courts can suspend the domestic measures which implement it and an amendment will be made by an Act of Parliament.

End of Part One.

p.s btw Don't forget it was the Tories in the 70's, 80's and 90's that kept signing us up to this stoopid Euro thing

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2016 10.30am)

Treasury report on Brexit is released tomorrow:

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No doubt full of stark warnings about the the economic apocalypse we would find ourselves in if we vote for Brexit.

Looking forward to the lefties on here holding it up as a reason to stay within the corrupt EU, despite their labelling of George Osbourne as a 'cund', amongst other things, on here.

Hmmm, Chris Grayling saying today it could be disastrous for the Vote Leave campaign if David Cameron was ousted out due to defeat.

Brilliantly ill thought 'out' tactics, sir.

When such a player has highlighted serious potential problems should his own side win 'perturbed' seems a reasonable response.

In his own words - ""It would be disastrous, in my view, for the Leave cause if we vote to leave and then we get distracted by a Conservative leadership contest. He must stay, I want him to stay."

He can't guarantee that he will stay though, can he? Or even be allowed to remain.

That then to me sounds very much like a leadership contest in the off-ing, don't you think?

But you carry on with your head buried way down in that sand, Matthew. You seem content that way.

is there a way refugees can get to the UK without passing through another 'safe country'?

Most of these are working on intercepting human trafficking into the UK by private boats, most of which probably are operating from 'safe countries'.

It's not about "probably".

"Is there a way refugees can get to the UK without passing through another country?" Yes there is, as I pointed out at the time with us being an island.

There's only one reason why the USA is sticking their oar in and that's because there are growing calls to break up their own union, from their own citizens.

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