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 Kermit8  Hevon 22 Apr 17 12.03am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The Tories, because they help create wealth and opportunity, but Labour hinder it and squander what there is. Edited by hedgehog50 (21 Apr 2017 10.17pm) Jesus H. Where have you been for the last 45 years? When you were 21 you could look forward to owning your own property on an average wage, rely on the NHS if you were ill, not be ripped off because you had to get a train to work in the morning, see bobbies on the beat, trust banks, know that if you rented you would not be fleeced, not see homeless people in doorways, etc etc etc. The Tories are a cancer on the UK and they have been for decades.
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 12.21am |
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More jumping ship. Are the wheels coming off?
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| Stirlingsays 22 Apr 17 12.58am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who out of the main parties is most likely to do something about it do you think? It makes me angry and I know it's mainly the la-di-da snobbish middle class ladies from Tory families that push this kind of BS through.....It was mainly them that gave us Cameron instead of Davies. But leaving my country unprotected to nuclear attack because the boss man is too pussy to hit the button impacts my view of the world more. I'm not leaving my kids to that risk willingly. Also, Labour would bend right over for anything the EU wanted to do and would keep freedom of movement...Again it impacts my view of the world more. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2017 1.03am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.39am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It makes me angry and I know it's mainly the la-di-da snobbish middle class ladies from Tory families that push this kind of BS through... But leaving my country unprotected to nuclear attack because the boss man is too pussy to hit the button impacts my view of the world more. I'm not leaving my kids to that risk willingly. Also, Labour would bend right over for anything the EU wanted to do and would keep freedom of movement...Again it impacts my view of the world more. Apart from movement and defence, you sound like you could be a labour voter. The Tories have let you down in many areas and I'm pretty sure they won't be changing their position either, particularly with an authoritarian / autocratic leader. I don't think free movement will disappear regardless of the outcome of the election. To lose trade with one of the biggest global trading blocks that is also nice and local (environmentally better) would be committing hari kari. Also, what are the chances of needing to press the big red button? I also think if push comes to shove, Corbyn would fire in retaliation. Edited by nickgusset (22 Apr 2017 1.40am)
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| Stirlingsays 22 Apr 17 2.21am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Apart from movement and defence, you sound like you could be a labour voter. The Tories have let you down in many areas and I'm pretty sure they won't be changing their position either, particularly with an authoritarian / autocratic leader. I don't think free movement will disappear regardless of the outcome of the election. To lose trade with one of the biggest global trading blocks that is also nice and local (environmentally better) would be committing hari kari. Also, what are the chances of needing to press the big red button? I also think if push comes to shove, Corbyn would fire in retaliation. Edited by nickgusset (22 Apr 2017 1.40am) Well, movement, defence, multiculturalism, believing that a little bit of national pride is a good thing and economic reality in terms of how you treat the rich and corporations....So I wouldn't say I see the Labour party as a natural environment. That said, many of Labour's arguments are ethically sound.....someone said that old phrase, 'the politics of envy' a while back on another thread and while I didn't respond to it I found it really annoying. I don't want to stop someone from doing well....In fact I think they should be encouraged. But the state should try to be fair to all, not just give the spoils to the talented and sharp elbowed. No, I don't disagree with a good amount of what Labour sees as wrong with society....but I often differ on the cures....It's like the left in France...All they ended up doing by taxing the rich at eighty percent was make the poor poorer......The rich can bugger off....they can hide their money around the world...The only people who really suffer from socialism are the poor..they can't move, they are slaves to whatever the economic environment is....At least the Tories try to provide the economic environment for job creation...That's the minimal you can ask for....opportunity. No one sensible asks for 'equality of outcome'....But anyone with ethics should expect 'equality of opportunity'.
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| .TUX. 22 Apr 17 6.12am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The absurdity of your statement is laughable. You make it sound like my financial circumstances are entirely reliant on the government. Are yours? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2017 9.02pm) Ditto. No, never. Off to Jersey for the weekend. Have fun.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 22 Apr 17 6.28am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Jesus H. Where have you been for the last 45 years? When you were 21 you could look forward to owning your own property on an average wage, rely on the NHS if you were ill, not be ripped off because you had to get a train to work in the morning, see bobbies on the beat, trust banks, know that if you rented you would not be fleeced, not see homeless people in doorways, etc etc etc. The Tories are a cancer on the UK and they have been for decades.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Apr 17 8.27am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Jesus H. Where have you been for the last 45 years? When you were 21 you could look forward to owning your own property on an average wage, rely on the NHS if you were ill, not be ripped off because you had to get a train to work in the morning, see bobbies on the beat, trust banks, know that if you rented you would not be fleeced, not see homeless people in doorways, etc etc etc. The Tories are a cancer on the UK and they have been for decades. Last 45 years? 18 of them Labour governments, 22 Tory, 5 Tory/Lib coalition.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 Apr 17 8.36am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Tory dream of us lackeys working ourselves to death is becoming reality. We are not far off living until death with no retirement or pension as the age for retirement increases beyond the level at which we can expect to be dead. However we will be paying more in taxes and insurance to be rewarded with no pension at all. The above may be a general comment but is it not happening? Perhaps over-dramatised, but I agree with the gist of it. Work harder for longer, pay more to a pension that gets further and further away every few years.....whilst your masters avoid as much tax as possible and live off the backs of your toil and your rental payments as they own most of the property in the country whilst being blissfully free of the everyday stresses and pressures of the average person's life. If there's one vague compliment you can pay the millionaires masquerading as our government, it's that they really know how to look after their own. Edited by Mr_Gristle (22 Apr 2017 8.36am)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 9.26am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Perhaps over-dramatised, but I agree with the gist of it. Work harder for longer, pay more to a pension that gets further and further away every few years.....whilst your masters avoid as much tax as possible and live off the backs of your toil and your rental payments as they own most of the property in the country whilst being blissfully free of the everyday stresses and pressures of the average person's life. If there's one vague compliment you can pay the millionaires masquerading as our government, it's that they really know how to look after their own. Edited by Mr_Gristle (22 Apr 2017 8.36am) Well before the privatised freedom loving tories weigh into the argument actually the average private pension 'pot' is only £17,000 according to HMRC. Of course it depends on your circumstances but if we assume that is to be taxed and with admin charges you are only looking at a one time payment of £12,000. It makes the state pension look an enormous bargain and you will be glad of it. Our German friends from the terrible EU can look forward to good pensions and actually having a retirement.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 17 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Perhaps over-dramatised, but I agree with the gist of it. Work harder for longer, pay more to a pension that gets further and further away every few years.....whilst your masters avoid as much tax as possible and live off the backs of your toil and your rental payments as they own most of the property in the country whilst being blissfully free of the everyday stresses and pressures of the average person's life. If there's one vague compliment you can pay the millionaires masquerading as our government, it's that they really know how to look after their own. Edited by Mr_Gristle (22 Apr 2017 8.36am) This is not dependent on a Tory government.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Apr 17 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is not dependent on a Tory government. I wholeheartedly agree.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Apr 17 11.40am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well before the privatised freedom loving tories weigh into the argument actually the average private pension 'pot' is only £17,000 according to HMRC. Of course it depends on your circumstances but if we assume that is to be taxed and with admin charges you are only looking at a one time payment of £12,000. It makes the state pension look an enormous bargain and you will be glad of it.
How are the Greeks doing? Part of that wonderful German pension is down to keeping southern Europe in an effective slave/owner relationship.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 11.58am |
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Ha ha ha. Seems some Tory MPs refer to Theresa May as 'Mummy'
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| elgrande bedford 22 Apr 17 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Ha ha ha. Seems some Tory MPs refer to Theresa May as 'Mummy' Well I'm sure some labour MPS called Corbyn c***...but hey ho
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How are the Greeks doing? Part of that wonderful German pension is down to keeping southern Europe in an effective slave/owner relationship.
Although by no means not responsible for their predicament, the Greeks have been royally stitched up by many with huge interest rates, the country asset stripped with public services being sold off cheap as part of a deal. How are the ex steelworkers in Redcar doing?
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| elgrande bedford 22 Apr 17 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Although by no means not responsible for their predicament, the Greeks have been royally stitched up by many with huge interest rates, the country asset stripped with public services being sold off cheap as part of a deal. How are the ex steelworkers in Redcar doing? Also don't forget comrade,that a lot of Greece problems are their own doing,not paying tax,early retirement on nearly full final salary.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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