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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 5.33pm

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Jul 2005 4:50pm

Gosh. Quite a tirade for someone who doesn't care.

Your beliefs are noted. But if you think "whole cities [have been] given over to non-indigenous people" you really ought to visit them first. What an utter load of bullsh!t. There's exaggeration, and then there's just talking sh!t. Way to cross the line Pete. FYI there is not one city in the UK which is less than 50% white. Not one.

One question arises from the above, the rest not being worth responding to. Which nations and cultures are "non-barbaric" and which are barbaric, by your criteria?

Off now to cry about not being invited for a drink.


So let's see, in your opinion the government lies about everything, except their dubious - to
say the least - statistical statements on population. If you believe "there is not one city in the UK which is less than 50% white" you are a far bigger mug that you seem! And if you also believe that 93% of Britain is white, well f*** me sideways and call me Susan you really are a gullible idiot! The fact is the government have not got a clue how many illegals are here for a start and if they did, they'd lie about it just as they lie about the population of Britain.


Edited by Moose (19 Jul 2005 9:39am)

 

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Danger Flag Playa del Merstham 13 Jul 05 5.44pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:33pm

Quote Balham Burner at 13 Jul 2005 4:45pm

Everton?

Luton, oops!

Will you buy me a pint if I turn up?

 

FFS MURRAY
tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 5.46pm

Quote NickinOX at 13 Jul 2005 5:27pm

But, he claimed and you agreed, that Iraq put us in the firing line. That is not true, as we were already in the firing line. Though I do agree it did increase the risk.

Any action we do take, will in all likelihood increase our risk in the short term. That makes complete sense. Thus the logic is we should take no action.

Does that mean you think we should take no action? Personally, I think that would be suicide.



Iraq did put us in the firing line. It put us in the firing line of another group of people. There is no single firing line, but the more conflicts we fight, the more enemies we make. Part of the whole Iraq debate was whether or not we had any justification for the invasion. I have yet to see that we did.

I guess I wasn't foul mouthed enough to warrant a response from Petealiator.

 

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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 5.48pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:18pm

but surely it'd be a whole lot more uniform and stale if it wasn't for that?

Not in the least! You obviously enjoy race riots and suicide bombers, I don't. If you need foreign cities full of foreign nationals to keep your experience of life from becoming stale, there's a thing called an aeroplane that may be of some use.

 

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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 5.49pm

Quote Danger at 13 Jul 2005 5:44pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:33pm

Quote Balham Burner at 13 Jul 2005 4:45pm

Everton?

Luton, oops!

Will you buy me a pint if I turn up?

No! But you can buy me one!

 

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Danger Flag Playa del Merstham 13 Jul 05 5.50pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:49pm

Quote Danger at 13 Jul 2005 5:44pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:33pm

Quote Balham Burner at 13 Jul 2005 4:45pm

Everton?

Luton, oops!

Will you buy me a pint if I turn up?

No! But you can buy me one!

WOW! Lucky me

 

FFS MURRAY
tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 5.53pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:48pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:18pm

but surely it'd be a whole lot more uniform and stale if it wasn't for that?

Not in the least! You obviously enjoy race riots and suicide bombers, I don't. If you need foreign cities full of foreign nationals to keep your experience of life from becoming stale, there's a thing called an aeroplane that may be of some use.

Yes - I've been on an aeroplane, and many, many times. To go to other fantastic places. Yes, they are all interesting. They are interesting because they are different. Look around you, and do you really think that life would be interesting with no immigrants? With only 'English food' and 'English culture' fenced off from the rest of the world?

 

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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 6.01pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:53pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:48pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:18pm

but surely it'd be a whole lot more uniform and stale if it wasn't for that?

Not in the least! You obviously enjoy race riots and suicide bombers, I don't. If you need foreign cities full of foreign nationals to keep your experience of life from becoming stale, there's a thing called an aeroplane that may be of some use.

Yes - I've been on an aeroplane, and many, many times. To go to other fantastic places. Yes, they are all interesting. They are interesting because they are different. Look around you, and do you really think that life would be interesting with no immigrants? With only 'English food' and 'English culture' fenced off from the rest of the world?


When have I EVER said "no Immigrants"? I suggest you read the post about my beliefs before you start distorting my views to fit your agenda!


Edited by Petealiator (13 Jul 2005 6:01pm)

 

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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 6.09pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:01pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:53pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 5:48pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:18pm

but surely it'd be a whole lot more uniform and stale if it wasn't for that?

Not in the least! You obviously enjoy race riots and suicide bombers, I don't. If you need foreign cities full of foreign nationals to keep your experience of life from becoming stale, there's a thing called an aeroplane that may be of some use.

Yes - I've been on an aeroplane, and many, many times. To go to other fantastic places. Yes, they are all interesting. They are interesting because they are different. Look around you, and do you really think that life would be interesting with no immigrants? With only 'English food' and 'English culture' fenced off from the rest of the world?


When have I EVER said "no Immigrants"? I suggest you read the post about my beliefs before you start distorting my views to fit your agenda!


Edited by Petealiator (13 Jul 2005 6:01pm)


What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

And how would we get cities full of foreign nationals without them immigrating?

 

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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 13 Jul 05 6.13pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 5:46pm

Quote NickinOX at 13 Jul 2005 5:27pm

But, he claimed and you agreed, that Iraq put us in the firing line. That is not true, as we were already in the firing line. Though I do agree it did increase the risk.

Any action we do take, will in all likelihood increase our risk in the short term. That makes complete sense. Thus the logic is we should take no action.

Does that mean you think we should take no action? Personally, I think that would be suicide.



Iraq did put us in the firing line. It put us in the firing line of another group of people. There is no single firing line, but the more conflicts we fight, the more enemies we make. Part of the whole Iraq debate was whether or not we had any justification for the invasion. I have yet to see that we did.

I guess I wasn't foul mouthed enough to warrant a response from Petealiator.

If we were already in the firing line, and you accept we clearly were well before Iraq, then how did it put us into the firing line when we were already there? We do not yet even know for sure what this particular cell is claiming, so how you can claim effectively that this is a new group with differing ideology is beyond me.

It may well be that they claim it was because of Iraq. What of those who claim it is because of Palestine, or Afghanistan, or the Arab World in general, or oil, etc., etc. This list could continue for miles. It is all bulls*** in the name of trying to justify killing.

And how do 4 Brits, who can vote, justify murdering other Brits in the name of Iraq, if that is indeed the excuse? They can't, it is all just to ease their warped consciences for action they know to be wrong, otherwise they would not need an excuse.

These people do not need an excuse. They will create one that suits them. N.B. Al-Quaida's goal was to get rid of Ameirca from Saudi. Then when America pulled almost all of it's troops out, it became to get rid of it from somwhere else (Iraq). The stated goal of a number of the groups with similar philosophies is the complete and utter destruction of the west. Nothing short of that will do. Do you really think that Iraq caused this? Many of these terrorists groups want to compltely destroy us and they will use any and all excuses to justify their aims.

 
tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 6.31pm

Quote NickinOX at 13 Jul 2005 6:13pm

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These people do not need an excuse. They will create one that suits them. N.B. Al-Quaida's goal was to get rid of Ameirca from Saudi. Then when America pulled almost all of it's troops out, it became to get rid of it from somwhere else (Iraq). The stated goal of a number of the groups with similar philosophies is the complete and utter destruction of the west. Nothing short of that will do. Do you really think that Iraq caused this? Many of these terrorists groups want to compltely destroy us and they will use any and all excuses to justify their aims.


They want US troops out of a variety of places. And so do I. If the Americans weren't occupying, I think the problem would be massively less significant than it is.

And all this about a hypothetical 'firing line' is silly, I think. There is always a firing line, and we're always in it. Everywhere can suffer as a result of a crazed bunch of maniacs, it doesn't matter on that level the ideology behind it.

Where it does matter is in the number of pies we've stuck out fingers in, especially when we do so as a nation and we do so with violence.

 

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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 6.36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f*** can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued!

 

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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 6.38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f*** can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued!


Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 13 Jul 05 6.49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f*** can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued!


Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?


Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that?

 

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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 13 Jul 05 6.49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:31pm

Quote NickinOX at 13 Jul 2005 6:13pm

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These people do not need an excuse. They will create one that suits them. N.B. Al-Quaida's goal was to get rid of Ameirca from Saudi. Then when America pulled almost all of it's troops out, it became to get rid of it from somwhere else (Iraq). The stated goal of a number of the groups with similar philosophies is the complete and utter destruction of the west. Nothing short of that will do. Do you really think that Iraq caused this? Many of these terrorists groups want to compltely destroy us and they will use any and all excuses to justify their aims.


They want US troops out of a variety of places. And so do I. If the Americans weren't occupying, I think the problem would be massively less significant than it is.

And all this about a hypothetical 'firing line' is silly, I think. There is always a firing line, and we're always in it. Everywhere can suffer as a result of a crazed bunch of maniacs, it doesn't matter on that level the ideology behind it.

Where it does matter is in the number of pies we've stuck out fingers in, especially when we do so as a nation and we do so with violence.


Then you have made my point for me. Iraq was not the cause of the recent bombings. It was an excuse for them.

If it is as simple as American troop deployments, then why have French and German civilians been consistently targetted. Both countries have managed to thwart some serious attacks, particularly in the case of France which prevented a Jumbo jet from being crashed in the Eiffel Tower! How does that fit into the logic f American power being to blame?

By the way, who is they, when referring to wanting US troops out? And where should American troops get out of? Provide a list. There are many places that have them and want to keep them!

Edited by NickinOX (13 Jul 2005 6:50pm)

 
Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Jul 05 6.50pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Oh for f***'s sake this is pointless!


 

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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Jul 05 10.33pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:50pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Oh for f***'s sake this is pointless!



Well, that's my point Pete. If you choose to judge people by the colour of their skin, what does that make you?

If you assume that culture is the same thing as race, then you are including the Muslim Chechen causasians amongst what appears to be some kind of collective definition of 'race' and 'culture'.

These words tend to spring to the fore when one is confronted with such odious generalisations as peddled by the likes of the BNP. A definition of culture is always tricky, but tends to be founded on some perception of shared experience including history, language, and so on.

'Race' on the other hand has become a meaningless term in my opinion. Trying to define 'race' when so many people have family tress including roots all over the planet is near impossible.

Simplifications such as chucking the two about together casually create the offshoot of ignorance on which racism feeds.

 

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morganistic Flag 14 Jul 05 2.19am

bombs have gone off in london. we all feel violated and threatened. we all wonder what to do about it.
but how can we know what to do about it if we can't even agree on why it's happened?
no wonder this thread has degenerated into a bit of a slanging match. at least there's some certainties there.

 

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Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 14 Jul 05 7.56am

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 10:33pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:50pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Oh for f***'s sake this is pointless!



Well, that's my point Pete. If you choose to judge people by the colour of their skin, what does that make you?

If you assume that culture is the same thing as race, then you are including the Muslim Chechen causasians amongst what appears to be some kind of collective definition of 'race' and 'culture'.

These words tend to spring to the fore when one is confronted with such odious generalisations as peddled by the likes of the BNP. A definition of culture is always tricky, but tends to be founded on some perception of shared experience including history, language, and so on.

'Race' on the other hand has become a meaningless term in my opinion. Trying to define 'race' when so many people have family tress including roots all over the planet is near impossible.

Simplifications such as chucking the two about together casually create the offshoot of ignorance on which racism feeds.

What are you banging on about? I'm talking about Britain, I don't need some theological lecture on the difference between race and culture. It's quite simple, there was a race riot in Oldham when thousands of Asian youths ran amok, this would not have happened if those thousands of Asian youths had not been in Oldham in the first place, if Oldham had not been turned into Oldhamabad. It's that simple, colour of skin has f*** all to do with this and you know it.

 

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furrybloke Flag Hemel Hempstead 14 Jul 05 8.54am

I have read all the comments on here by HMHS, Petealitor & the other, firstly I think this thread should have all of your comments deleted & be put in gold talk to remember an important day in the UK history with out the bickering between you you & I would suggest we start another thread to keep it going as personally I find very amusing as neither Pete or HMHS seems to be willing to comprimise with the other.

Iraq did not put us in the firing line of Osama or any of the other Islamic loonies. They existed & target the west on a number of occasions. For those of you who do not agree 9/11 came before the second Iraq war & we did not start the first.

I can see where Pete is comming from regarding immigrants & other religions as they do seem to get special treatment. I do not however agree with the majority of his views. In my opinion the more diverse Britian is the better, for one thing it increase my choice of take away on a Friday! (That is a joke before you jump down my throat) I do however feel that regardless of colourm, religion, beliefs & all the other things that make us who we are we should be proud to be British & to live here you should be able to speak english, you should study & know our history & be proud of it (this includes white kids as well) & you should have to study other religions. I have 3 kids at school all of whom have had to study RE which covers all religions, why are musilms always allowed to sit this out it is not right, my eldest is going to uni to read History & has just turned a uni down flat as they concentrate on American history, we are British & should teach British.

In summary because I am sure I lost the thread above at some point Multiculturalism is good for us all but acceptance of others needs to be practised by all.

 
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