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Badger11 Beckenham 11 May 23 8.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Were they taken to Court and the evidence tested? Unless they were they are not comparable. And that of course is the point. As for the Trump evidence the word of one woman and two others who claimed that he had assaulted them at different times but again no evidence. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 May 23 8.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Were they taken to Court and the evidence tested?

Unless they were they are not comparable.

And that of course is the point.

As for the Trump evidence the word of one woman and two others who claimed that he had assaulted them at different times but again no evidence.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 9.02am
Originally posted by Badger11 And that of course is the point. As for the Trump evidence the word of one woman and two others who claimed that he had assaulted them at different times but again no evidence. It wasn't just that though. I doubt that a conviction would have happened if it were. It was Trump's own evidence in his deposition which seemed to tip the balance. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 9.02am

Originally posted by Badger11

And that of course is the point.

As for the Trump evidence the word of one woman and two others who claimed that he had assaulted them at different times but again no evidence.

It wasn't just that though. I doubt that a conviction would have happened if it were. It was Trump's own evidence in his deposition which seemed to tip the balance.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 11 May 23 9.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It wasn't just that though. I doubt that a conviction would have happened if it were. It was Trump's own evidence in his deposition which seemed to tip the balance. What evidence? You keep referring to this other evidence. Trump said some unpleasant things about women in an interview 20 years ago he is not a nice man that is a gimme. How does that prove he assaulted this woman but didn't rape her. He has consistently denied even knowing this woman and no evidence has been produced to contradict that so the democrats fund this woman's claim backed up by 2 other woman regarding separate incidents which again has no evidence. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 May 23 9.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn't just that though. I doubt that a conviction would have happened if it were. It was Trump's own evidence in his deposition which seemed to tip the balance.

What evidence? You keep referring to this other evidence.

Trump said some unpleasant things about women in an interview 20 years ago he is not a nice man that is a gimme.

How does that prove he assaulted this woman but didn't rape her.

He has consistently denied even knowing this woman and no evidence has been produced to contradict that so the democrats fund this woman's claim backed up by 2 other woman regarding separate incidents which again has no evidence.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 9.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 What evidence? You keep referring to this other evidence. Trump said some unpleasant things about women in an interview 20 years ago he is not a nice man that is a gimme. How does that prove he assaulted this woman but didn't rape her. He has consistently denied even knowing this woman and no evidence has been produced to contradict that so the democrats fund this woman's claim backed up by 2 other woman regarding separate incidents which again has no evidence. Read his deposition. He said he didn't know her, but was pictured with her. When asked to identify her, he confused her with his wife at the time, having said she "wasn't his type". He was shown the infamous video in which he claimed to be able to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, to women, because of his fame. He stumbled all through it, incriminating himself frequently. You would need to ask the jury for a precise answer on why they convicted on assault but not rape. I can only make a guess. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 9.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

What evidence? You keep referring to this other evidence.

Trump said some unpleasant things about women in an interview 20 years ago he is not a nice man that is a gimme.

How does that prove he assaulted this woman but didn't rape her.

Read his deposition. He said he didn't know her, but was pictured with her. When asked to identify her, he confused her with his wife at the time, having said she "wasn't his type". He was shown the infamous video in which he claimed to be able to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, to women, because of his fame. He stumbled all through it, incriminating himself frequently.

You would need to ask the jury for a precise answer on why they convicted on assault but not rape. I can only make a guess.

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 May 23 10.02am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Read his deposition. He said he didn't know her, but was pictured with her. When asked to identify her, he confused her with his wife at the time, having said she "wasn't his type". He was shown the infamous video in which he claimed to be able to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, to women, because of his fame. He stumbled all through it, incriminating himself frequently. You would need to ask the jury for a precise answer on why they convicted on assault but not rape. I can only make a guess. Wow damming evidence I bet you remember every person you've met over the last 30 years. Just because he isn't a nice man.... But if that is your idea of evidence then how about this. Her story matches that of a US crime show Law & Order SVU which the victim acknowledged she was aware of. The show was aired shortly before she decided to go public. Edited by Badger11 (11 May 2023 10.04am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 May 23 10.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You would need to ask the jury for a precise answer on why they convicted on assault but not rape. I can only make a guess.

Wow damming evidence I bet you remember every person you've met over the last 30 years.

Just because he isn't a nice man....

But if that is your idea of evidence then how about this.

Her story matches that of a US crime show Law & Order SVU which the victim acknowledged she was aware of. The show was aired shortly before she decided to go public.

Edited by Badger11 (11 May 2023 10.04am)

One more point

Hrolf The Ganger 11 May 23 11.05am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He was proven guilty! That's what the jury determined. They heard the whole case. You have just read some tittle-tattle, read what Trump says, added it to your prejudices and decided it wasn't proven. You are wrong. You don't decide. The jury did. I'm not interested if he was guilty or not, quite frankly. The bigger picture is far more important, and that is that these cases against Trump are being encouraged by people who oppose him politically. This is not about justice. It is about subverting democracy.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 May 23 11.05am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He was proven guilty! That's what the jury determined. They heard the whole case. You have just read some tittle-tattle, read what Trump says, added it to your prejudices and decided it wasn't proven. You are wrong. You don't decide. The jury did.

I'm not interested if he was guilty or not, quite frankly.
The bigger picture is far more important, and that is that these cases against Trump are being encouraged by people who oppose him politically.
This is not about justice. It is about subverting democracy.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 May 23 11.07am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's the logic of every conspiracy theorist. Ultimately such things are decided in a Court, where evidence is tested and independent jurors decide. Trump's team have lost every case in which they tried to establish a "witch-hunt" exists. You either trust a justice system, or you don't. If you don't you may as well take to the hills or leave the country because a functioning democracy depends upon it. Only a moron can't see that. In this age of equality, you cannot exclude the sighted. I don't trust a justice system which allows political manipulation.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 May 23 11.07am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's the logic of every conspiracy theorist.

Ultimately such things are decided in a Court, where evidence is tested and independent jurors decide.

Trump's team have lost every case in which they tried to establish a "witch-hunt" exists.

You either trust a justice system, or you don't. If you don't you may as well take to the hills or leave the country because a functioning democracy depends upon it.

Only a moron can't see that. In this age of equality, you cannot exclude the sighted.

I don't trust a justice system which allows political manipulation.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Wow damming evidence I bet you remember every person you've met over the last 30 years. Just because he isn't a nice man.... But if that is your idea of evidence then how about this. Her story matches that of a US crime show Law & Order SVU which the victim acknowledged she was aware of. The show was aired shortly before she decided to go public. Edited by Badger11 (11 May 2023 10.04am) It’s not my idea of evidence at all. It was the evidence that was presented to the jury. Trump was questioned during his deposition and his responses and inability to provide a credible denial that seems to have convinced them. I am unaware of whether his defence raised the issue of a TV programme but if they did it obviously didn’t tip the balance. That you, or anyone else, who wasn’t on the jury think you know better than them is besides the point. You weren’t on the jury. You didn’t hear the arguments. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Wow damming evidence I bet you remember every person you've met over the last 30 years.

Just because he isn't a nice man....

But if that is your idea of evidence then how about this.

Her story matches that of a US crime show Law & Order SVU which the victim acknowledged she was aware of. The show was aired shortly before she decided to go public.

Edited by Badger11 (11 May 2023 10.04am)

It’s not my idea of evidence at all. It was the evidence that was presented to the jury. Trump was questioned during his deposition and his responses and inability to provide a credible denial that seems to have convinced them.

I am unaware of whether his defence raised the issue of a TV programme but if they did it obviously didn’t tip the balance.

That you, or anyone else, who wasn’t on the jury think you know better than them is besides the point. You weren’t on the jury. You didn’t hear the arguments.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not interested if he was guilty or not, quite frankly. The bigger picture is far more important, and that is that these cases against Trump are being encouraged by people who oppose him politically. This is not about justice. It is about subverting democracy. Apart from Trump’s claims and your own prejudice what evidence do you have for that assertion? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Apart from Trump’s claims and your own prejudice what evidence do you have for that assertion?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't trust a justice system which allows political manipulation. Nor do I. If I see one in the west I’ll let you know. Russia, Iran, North Korea, different. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 12.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't trust a justice system which allows political manipulation.

Nor do I.

If I see one in the west I’ll let you know.

Russia, Iran, North Korea, different.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 11 May 23 7.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I cannot recall my words or the context but, so far as I am aware, no case has been brought and the evidence tested in court. Did she describe being molested or is that an interpretation of the event by others? I've not forgotten the discussion. Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists. Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other. Fess up to your hypocrisy for once. Attachment: FbCG5RMXgAATfot.jpg (108.85Kb) The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 11 May 23 7.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I cannot recall my words or the context but, so far as I am aware, no case has been brought and the evidence tested in court. Did she describe being molested or is that an interpretation of the event by others?

I've not forgotten the discussion.

Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists.
Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other.

Fess up to your hypocrisy for once.

Attachment: FbCG5RMXgAATfot.jpg (108.85Kb)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

georgenorman 11 May 23 7.13pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I've not forgotten the discussion. Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists. Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other. Fess up to your hypocrisy for once. He won't. He's the Vicky Pollard of HOL. All you'll get is more "Yeah but, no but, yeah but ..."

georgenorman

11 May 23 7.13pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I've not forgotten the discussion.

Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists.
Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other.

Fess up to your hypocrisy for once.

He won't. He's the Vicky Pollard of HOL. All you'll get is more "Yeah but, no but, yeah but ..."

HKOwen Hong Kong 11 May 23 11.13pm
A civil jury in New York would convict Trump of witchcraft given the chance Post code lottery "justice" system Edited by HKOwen (11 May 2023 11.14pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 11 May 23 11.13pm

A civil jury in New York would convict Trump of witchcraft given the chance

Post code lottery "justice" system

Edited by HKOwen (11 May 2023 11.14pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Matov 12 May 23 6.32am
LOL at CNN. Seek it out. Their 'Town-Hall' with Trump. All I can say is that with 'enemies' like CNN, then the Donald is one of the luckiest men alive. They literally handed him the kind of publicity he can only have ever dreamed of. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 May 23 6.32am

LOL at CNN. Seek it out. Their 'Town-Hall' with Trump. All I can say is that with 'enemies' like CNN, then the Donald is one of the luckiest men alive.

They literally handed him the kind of publicity he can only have ever dreamed of.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.11am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I've not forgotten the discussion. Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists. Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other. Fess up to your hypocrisy for once. There's no hypocrisy on my part involved. Trump has been found guilty in a civil case after the evidence was presented and reviewed by a jury. That's very different from one piece of evidence in another situation, untested and looked at without its context being considered. I have no more idea than anyone else whether what was written is true. No jury would convict on that alone. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.11am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I've not forgotten the discussion.

Ashley Biden has not pressed charges however her diary exists.
Arguably similar evidence exist for both situations yet you scoff at evidence for one whilst championing the other.

Fess up to your hypocrisy for once.

There's no hypocrisy on my part involved. Trump has been found guilty in a civil case after the evidence was presented and reviewed by a jury. That's very different from one piece of evidence in another situation, untested and looked at without its context being considered. I have no more idea than anyone else whether what was written is true. No jury would convict on that alone.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.16am
Originally posted by georgenorman He won't. He's the Vicky Pollard of HOL. All you'll get is more "Yeah but, no but, yeah but ..." You seem the type who would convict someone just because their opinions don't match your own prejudices, rather than weigh the actual evidence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.16am

Originally posted by georgenorman

He won't. He's the Vicky Pollard of HOL. All you'll get is more "Yeah but, no but, yeah but ..."

You seem the type who would convict someone just because their opinions don't match your own prejudices, rather than weigh the actual evidence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.34am
Originally posted by Matov LOL at CNN. Seek it out. Their 'Town-Hall' with Trump. All I can say is that with 'enemies' like CNN, then the Donald is one of the luckiest men alive. They literally handed him the kind of publicity he can only have ever dreamed of. Is that publicity actually helpful though, or does it expose his faults rather than build his credentials? The chasm between the two tribes in the USA is certainly being deepened. You have only to read this thread to understand how and why. However, even if Trump manages to secure the nomination he will face an uphill battle to regain the White House. in 2016 his appeal went much wider than just his loyal base and those who sympathise with them. It dissipated in 2020 and whilst memories can fade his continuing tirades, especially against women, mean he is now seen much more clearly than ever he was to begin with. Who wins in 2024 depends, in my view, much more on who the Democrats choose, if Trump is the Republican candidate. He could win a second bout against Biden, but not against someone else. Which is why I don't expect it to be Biden. DeSantis would be a much stronger choice for the GOP. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 8.34am

Originally posted by Matov

LOL at CNN. Seek it out. Their 'Town-Hall' with Trump. All I can say is that with 'enemies' like CNN, then the Donald is one of the luckiest men alive.

They literally handed him the kind of publicity he can only have ever dreamed of.

Is that publicity actually helpful though, or does it expose his faults rather than build his credentials?

The chasm between the two tribes in the USA is certainly being deepened. You have only to read this thread to understand how and why.

However, even if Trump manages to secure the nomination he will face an uphill battle to regain the White House.

in 2016 his appeal went much wider than just his loyal base and those who sympathise with them. It dissipated in 2020 and whilst memories can fade his continuing tirades, especially against women, mean he is now seen much more clearly than ever he was to begin with.

Who wins in 2024 depends, in my view, much more on who the Democrats choose, if Trump is the Republican candidate. He could win a second bout against Biden, but not against someone else. Which is why I don't expect it to be Biden. DeSantis would be a much stronger choice for the GOP.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 23 10.34am
I feel like taking a civil case in the US. Who will I say felt me up? Has to be somewhat believable. Can't use Freeman, Cosby, Jackson or Trump - I must be missing someone obvious. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 23 10.34am

I feel like taking a civil case in the US. Who will I say felt me up? Has to be somewhat believable. Can't use Freeman, Cosby, Jackson or Trump - I must be missing someone obvious.

Red and Blue Army!

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 May 23 11.02am
Originally posted by ASCPFC I feel like taking a civil case in the US. Who will I say felt me up? Has to be somewhat believable. Can't use Freeman, Cosby, Jackson or Trump - I must be missing someone obvious. I'd go Miley Cyrus ASCPFC, wouldn't put much past her... Edited by Nicholas91 (12 May 2023 11.02am) Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 May 23 11.02am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I feel like taking a civil case in the US. Who will I say felt me up? Has to be somewhat believable. Can't use Freeman, Cosby, Jackson or Trump - I must be missing someone obvious.

I'd go Miley Cyrus ASCPFC, wouldn't put much past her...

Edited by Nicholas91 (12 May 2023 11.02am)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 23 11.39am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I'd go Miley Cyrus ASCPFC, wouldn't put much past her... Edited by Nicholas91 (12 May 2023 11.02am) Good one - I didn't enjoy it. I felt used. You're my witness. I'm going to use Lewis Dunk's lawyers. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 23 11.39am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'd go Miley Cyrus ASCPFC, wouldn't put much past her...

Edited by Nicholas91 (12 May 2023 11.02am)

Good one - I didn't enjoy it. I felt used. You're my witness. I'm going to use Lewis Dunk's lawyers.

Red and Blue Army!

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