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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.27am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I expect he had in mind the sort of politically correct oppression that we now have where people lose their jobs for making some innocuous remark, or bakeries are persecuted for not putting slogans on their products that support various policies that the 'progressives' champion, or people given criminal records for questioning the wisdom of some 'progressive' dogma. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.27am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I expect he had in mind the sort of politically correct oppression that we now have where people lose their jobs for making some innocuous remark, or bakeries are persecuted for not putting slogans on their products that support various policies that the 'progressives' champion, or people given criminal records for questioning the wisdom of some 'progressive' dogma.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.30am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am) 1867 Reform Act of Disraeli immediately springs to mind. Other Acts of his included measures to provide suitable housing and sewerage, to protect the quality of food, to improve workers rights (including the Climbing Boys Act which banned the use of juveniles as chimney sweeps) and to implement basic standards of education. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 11.34am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan.

Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work.

I can't think of any social advances under the tories.

Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)

1867 Reform Act of Disraeli immediately springs to mind. Other Acts of his included measures to provide suitable housing and sewerage, to protect the quality of food, to improve workers rights (including the Climbing Boys Act which banned the use of juveniles as chimney sweeps) and to implement basic standards of education.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 11.34am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 12.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am) A ridiculous statement. Our entire modern society evolved and revolves around enterprise. Social reform needs money and you need a system in place to make it happen. If you want someone to congratulate for that thank Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell. They are as good a candidates as any. It was freedom from absolute rule and religious dogma that allowed the industrial revolution and all that comes with it good and bad to happen. There would be no Labour Party or any kind of decent living standard without it.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Mar 17 12.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan.

Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work.

I can't think of any social advances under the tories.

Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)

A ridiculous statement.

Our entire modern society evolved and revolves around enterprise. Social reform needs money and you need a system in place to make it happen.
If you want someone to congratulate for that thank Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell. They are as good a candidates as any. It was freedom from absolute rule and religious dogma that allowed the industrial revolution and all that comes with it good and bad to happen. There would be no Labour Party or any kind of decent living standard without it.

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.06pm
Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2). I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.06pm

Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2).

I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer.

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A ridiculous statement. Our entire modern society evolved and revolves around enterprise. Social reform needs money and you need a system in place to make it happen. If you want someone to congratulate for that thank Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell. They are as good a candidates as any. It was freedom from absolute rule and religious dogma that allowed the industrial revolution and all that comes with it good and bad to happen. There would be no Labour Party or any kind of decent living standard without it. I trod on that by accident but its actually true there hasn't been anything ever perhaps the Dangerous Dogs Act? You deflect as we all know but where is the Middle East in this or the bomb or gay catholics or mass immigration. We are used to a better standard of nonsense from you.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A ridiculous statement.

I trod on that by accident but its actually true there hasn't been anything ever perhaps the Dangerous Dogs Act?

You deflect as we all know but where is the Middle East in this or the bomb or gay catholics or mass immigration.

We are used to a better standard of nonsense from you.

hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.15pm
Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2). I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer. Originally posted by steeleye20 Yes, practically all amongst the immigrant communities of course. It is quite incredible that you blame the Tories for modern slavery, TB etc. But of course, one should never underestimate the fatuousness of the new liberal left. Post WW2 - Gay Marriage? Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 12.17pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.15pm

Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2).

I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer.

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes, practically all amongst the immigrant communities of course. It is quite incredible that you blame the Tories for modern slavery, TB etc. But of course, one should never underestimate the fatuousness of the new liberal left.

Post WW2 - Gay Marriage?

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 12.17pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 12.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I trod on that by accident but its actually true there hasn't been anything ever perhaps the Dangerous Dogs Act? You deflect as we all know but where is the Middle East in this or the bomb or gay catholics or mass immigration. We are used to a better standard of nonsense from you. Thanks. I wish I could say the same about you. You always talk bollocks. So getting back to it. Are you really suggesting that the Labour Party are responsible for our society? To make selective observations about this Bill or that speech really is myopia on steroids.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Mar 17 12.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I trod on that by accident but its actually true there hasn't been anything ever perhaps the Dangerous Dogs Act?

You deflect as we all know but where is the Middle East in this or the bomb or gay catholics or mass immigration.

We are used to a better standard of nonsense from you.

Thanks. I wish I could say the same about you.

You always talk bollocks.

So getting back to it. Are you really suggesting that the Labour Party are responsible for our society?
To make selective observations about this Bill or that speech really is myopia on steroids.

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.44pm
Well the record demonstrates that social advances are made by labour not the tories. For most of us the NHS and welfare state are fundamental to our lives no matter what we say and labour delivered them.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.44pm

Well the record demonstrates that social advances are made by labour not the tories.

For most of us the NHS and welfare state are fundamental to our lives no matter what we say and labour delivered them.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Mar 17 12.47pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Thanks. I wish I could say the same about you. You always talk bollocks. So getting back to it. Are you really suggesting that the Labour Party are responsible for our society? To make selective observations about this Bill or that speech really is myopia on steroids. That we can all agree on! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Mar 17 12.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Thanks. I wish I could say the same about you.

You always talk bollocks.

So getting back to it. Are you really suggesting that the Labour Party are responsible for our society?
To make selective observations about this Bill or that speech really is myopia on steroids.

That we can all agree on!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 3.24pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well the record demonstrates that social advances are made by labour not the tories. For most of us the NHS and welfare state are fundamental to our lives no matter what we say and labour delivered them. But you don't get a welfare state without the environment that allows for it. And you don't get that in Britain without all the factors I previously described.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Mar 17 3.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well the record demonstrates that social advances are made by labour not the tories.

For most of us the NHS and welfare state are fundamental to our lives no matter what we say and labour delivered them.

But you don't get a welfare state without the environment that allows for it. And you don't get that in Britain without all the factors I previously described.

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 6.14pm
Oohhh you are awful...... I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least. Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges. So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Mar 17 6.14pm

Oohhh you are awful......

I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least.

Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges.

So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time.

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 6.40pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Oohhh you are awful...... I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least. Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges. So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time. I have no idea what you are talking about. Let me try to be clear. I'm not saying that Oliver Cromwell dreamed of an NHS. What I am saying is that you cannot see things in isolation but as part of the progression of history. You must also remember that each political party thrives on votes from it's own target sections of society. Labour have to appear to and sometimes actually care for the less well off. They would not exist otherwise. It is therefore no surprise that historically,they nave often championed causes dear to the poor, sick and the needy. This does not represent any great moral superiority, just a desire to please their potential supporters. Politicians were no different in the past than they are now. 99% are self serving cynical b******s.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Mar 17 6.40pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Oohhh you are awful......

I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least.

Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges.

So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Let me try to be clear.
I'm not saying that Oliver Cromwell dreamed of an NHS. What I am saying is that you cannot see things in isolation but as part of the progression of history. You must also remember that each political party thrives on votes from it's own target sections of society. Labour have to appear to and sometimes actually care for the less well off. They would not exist otherwise. It is therefore no surprise that historically,they nave often championed causes dear to the poor, sick and the needy. This does not represent any great moral superiority, just a desire to please their potential supporters.
Politicians were no different in the past than they are now. 99% are self serving cynical b******s.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Mar 17 7.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I have no idea what you are talking about. Let me try to be clear. I'm not saying that Oliver Cromwell dreamed of an NHS. What I am saying is that you cannot see things in isolation but as part of the progression of history. You must also remember that each political party thrives on votes from it's own target sections of society. Labour have to appear to and sometimes actually care for the less well off. They would not exist otherwise. It is therefore no surprise that historically,they nave often championed causes dear to the poor, sick and the needy. This does not represent any great moral superiority, just a desire to please their potential supporters. Politicians were no different in the past than they are now. 99% are self serving cynical b******s. I do not think he knows what he is talking about half the time either !! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Mar 17 7.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I do not think he knows what he is talking about half the time either !!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Mar 17 8.07pm
Originally posted by susmik I do not think he knows what he is talking about half the time either !! His posts are just a never-ending stream of non sequiturs. I gave up trying to interact with him long ago. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 18 Mar 17 8.07pm

Originally posted by susmik

I do not think he knows what he is talking about half the time either !!

His posts are just a never-ending stream of non sequiturs. I gave up trying to interact with him long ago.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Mar 17 8.48pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Oohhh you are awful...... I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least. Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges. So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time. Dick Emery, Henry VIII, Cromwell, Hitler & Churchill Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Mar 17 8.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Oohhh you are awful......

I think the link between Henry VIII and Cromwell to the Welfare state is rather tenuous to say the least.

Now Hitler that is different Adolf was very tetchy about Churchill founding the labour exchanges.

So there is something the tories did but maybe he was liberal at the time.

Dick Emery, Henry VIII, Cromwell, Hitler & Churchill

Pro USA & Israel

davenotamonkey 20 Mar 17 11.48am
Article 50: 29th of March.

davenotamonkey

20 Mar 17 11.48am

Article 50: 29th of March.

Kermit8 Hevon 20 Mar 17 12.08pm
Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are. disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact. [Link] Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 20 Mar 17 12.08pm

Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are.

disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact.

[Link]

Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are. disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact. [Link] Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo. I wouldn't worry about that.

Hrolf The Ganger

20 Mar 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are.

disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact.

[Link]

Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo.

I wouldn't worry about that.

hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Mar 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are. disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact. [Link] Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo. Actually, you have got the date wrong! My concern is that the dancing in the street might cause a few problems. Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Mar 2017 12.42pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 20 Mar 17 12.39pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are.

disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact.

[Link]

Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo.

Actually, you have got the date wrong!

My concern is that the dancing in the street might cause a few problems.

Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Mar 2017 12.42pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Kermit8 Hevon 20 Mar 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Actually, you have got the date wrong! My concern is that the dancing in the street might cause a few problems. Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Mar 2017 12.42pm) Sorry, hedgie - you're gonna have to take a 'whooosh' there. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 20 Mar 17 12.44pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Actually, you have got the date wrong!

My concern is that the dancing in the street might cause a few problems.

Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Mar 2017 12.42pm)

Sorry, hedgie - you're gonna have to take a 'whooosh' there.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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