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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Mar 17 2.55pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are. disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact. [Link] Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo. I was disappointed, as I was expecting the Croydon psych-trance band, old chum "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 20 Mar 17 2.55pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Loop play loud 28th March. You know who you are.

disclaimer: not to be take too seriously by the humourless. Tongue and cheek in contact.

[Link]

Also, one of the best bits of cinema ever imo.

I was disappointed, as I was expecting the Croydon psych-trance band, old chum

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Mar 17 3.01pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I was disappointed, as I was expecting the Croydon psych-trance band, old chum I remember going to see them in the cellar bar at south hill Park in Bracknell but they pulled out and were replaced by the weather prophets.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Mar 17 3.01pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I was disappointed, as I was expecting the Croydon psych-trance band, old chum

I remember going to see them in the cellar bar at south hill Park in Bracknell but they pulled out and were replaced by the weather prophets.

jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Mar 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I remember going to see them in the cellar bar at south hill Park in Bracknell but they pulled out and were replaced by the weather prophets. Alan McGee's band! I blame you for Oasis! [Link] Just for you nick, Loop's 1989 Black Sun. Edited by jamiemartin721 (20 Mar 2017 5.36pm) If I remember rightly, he's from the Selhurst area. Edited by jamiemartin721 (20 Mar 2017 5.39pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 20 Mar 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I remember going to see them in the cellar bar at south hill Park in Bracknell but they pulled out and were replaced by the weather prophets.

Alan McGee's band! I blame you for Oasis!

[Link] Just for you nick, Loop's 1989 Black Sun.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (20 Mar 2017 5.36pm) If I remember rightly, he's from the Selhurst area.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (20 Mar 2017 5.39pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.15pm
Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is 2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.15pm

Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is

2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 27 Mar 17 6.26pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is 2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour. I know...when I read that I had to laugh. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Mar 17 6.26pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is

2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour.

I know...when I read that I had to laugh.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I know...when I read that I had to laugh. Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control. The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control. Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I know...when I read that I had to laugh.

Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control.

The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control.

Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances.

hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.13pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control. The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control. Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances. Immigration from EU countries is not under our control, the entire population of the EU can come here if they want, with one or two minor exceptions (an unqualified right of entry can be restricted on grounds of security or public health). There, as a Brexiteer, I have told the truth. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.13pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control.

The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control.

Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances.

Immigration from EU countries is not under our control, the entire population of the EU can come here if they want, with one or two minor exceptions (an unqualified right of entry can be restricted on grounds of security or public health).
There, as a Brexiteer, I have told the truth.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 27 Mar 17 7.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control. The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control. Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances. If that is true then UKIP will rise again. In reality I feel that the levels will fall significantly once we get into the twenties. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Mar 17 7.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ministers have already prepared us that immigration will not necessarily be lower from the EU when under Westminster control.

The majority of immigration is from outside the EU already in our control.

Brexiteers never tell the truth under any circumstances.

If that is true then UKIP will rise again.

In reality I feel that the levels will fall significantly once we get into the twenties.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If that is true then UKIP will rise again. In reality I feel that the levels will fall significantly once we get into the twenties. Yes levels will fall according to market forces people only come here for a better paid job if there are none the numbers will fall away.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If that is true then UKIP will rise again.

In reality I feel that the levels will fall significantly once we get into the twenties.

Yes levels will fall according to market forces people only come here for a better paid job if there are none the numbers will fall away.

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.38pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Immigration from EU countries is not under our control, the entire population of the EU can come here if they want, with one or two minor exceptions (an unqualified right of entry can be restricted on grounds of security or public health). There, as a Brexiteer, I have told the truth. No you didn't people only come here to work for better paid work if that changes they will return. The UK does not enforce a EU directive that can enable member states to send people without jobs home after 3 months.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.38pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

No you didn't people only come here to work for better paid work if that changes they will return.

The UK does not enforce a EU directive that can enable member states to send people without jobs home after 3 months.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 8.34pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Immigration from EU countries is not under our control, the entire population of the EU can come here if they want, with one or two minor exceptions (an unqualified right of entry can be restricted on grounds of security or public health). There, as a Brexiteer, I have told the truth. All of them? At once? You best put the kettle on then. -.-'

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 8.34pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

All of them? At once? You best put the kettle on then.

-.-'

matt_himself Matataland 27 Mar 17 8.44pm
EU's chief Brexit negotiator says Europe will suffer 'severe consequences' from hard Brexit: [Link] He says he wants an 'ambitious free trade' deal. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 27 Mar 17 8.44pm

EU's chief Brexit negotiator says Europe will suffer 'severe consequences' from hard Brexit:

[Link]

He says he wants an 'ambitious free trade' deal.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 9.12pm
Originally posted by matt_himself EU's chief Brexit negotiator says Europe will suffer 'severe consequences' from hard Brexit: [Link] He says he wants an 'ambitious free trade' deal. Why have hard brexit at all. Membership of the single market is here and now, the UK can have brexit and Scotland remain in the union.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Mar 17 9.12pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

EU's chief Brexit negotiator says Europe will suffer 'severe consequences' from hard Brexit:

[Link]

He says he wants an 'ambitious free trade' deal.

Why have hard brexit at all.

Membership of the single market is here and now, the UK can have brexit and Scotland remain in the union.

hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Mar 17 9.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset All of them? At once? You best put the kettle on then. -.-' Do you accept the fact that we have no control over EU immigration? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 27 Mar 17 9.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

All of them? At once? You best put the kettle on then.

-.-'

Do you accept the fact that we have no control over EU immigration?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

legaleagle 27 Mar 17 9.44pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is 2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour. I agree that the answer will be "no" since we won't get the same market access without freedom of movement of labour alongside goods and finance. I think the pertinent question come actual Brexit will be,what is the appropriate trade off (if any) between reduced overall market access benefits in return for the perceived benefits of greater immigration controls .When push cones to shove and the terms are clearer,people will perhaps be more focused on the actuality of evaluating whether Brexit is a overall benefit or a backwards step.

legaleagle

27 Mar 17 9.44pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Number 2. of Labours 'six points' for Brexit is

2. Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

Clearly impossible to have without uncontrolled immigration etc - ludicrous 'test' by Labour.

I agree that the answer will be "no" since we won't get the same market access without freedom of movement of labour alongside goods and finance.

I think the pertinent question come actual Brexit will be,what is the appropriate trade off (if any) between reduced overall market access benefits in return for the perceived benefits of greater immigration controls .When push cones to shove and the terms are clearer,people will perhaps be more focused on the actuality of evaluating whether Brexit is a overall benefit or a backwards step.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 11.52pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Do you accept the fact that we have no control over EU immigration? I didn't think we were part of the Schengen list of countries.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 11.52pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Do you accept the fact that we have no control over EU immigration?

I didn't think we were part of the Schengen list of countries.

Stirlingsays 28 Mar 17 4.26am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Yes levels will fall according to market forces people only come here for a better paid job if there are none the numbers will fall away. Britain will do ok outside of the EU. The readjustment period may be choppy but a lot of europhiles just can't seem to mentally adjust to this. They wish ill on Brexit because they are fundamentally internationalist rather than nationalist in nature. We will be and are seen as a stable country with reliable institutions. Compare the interest on our borrowing to typical EU countries for example....Only Germany is doing well. Inward investment still seems to be positive even after the result and when the inevitable happens and the EU economic model falls apart we.....we will be affected and suffer but the fallout will have been significantly reduced compared to the rest of Europe.....This is when the rules on immigration will be needed even more than before. I believe Brexit....like the decision to not join the Euro will stand the test of time. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2017 4.28am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Mar 17 4.26am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes levels will fall according to market forces people only come here for a better paid job if there are none the numbers will fall away.

Britain will do ok outside of the EU. The readjustment period may be choppy but a lot of europhiles just can't seem to mentally adjust to this. They wish ill on Brexit because they are fundamentally internationalist rather than nationalist in nature.

We will be and are seen as a stable country with reliable institutions. Compare the interest on our borrowing to typical EU countries for example....Only Germany is doing well.

Inward investment still seems to be positive even after the result and when the inevitable happens and the EU economic model falls apart we.....we will be affected and suffer but the fallout will have been significantly reduced compared to the rest of Europe.....This is when the rules on immigration will be needed even more than before.

I believe Brexit....like the decision to not join the Euro will stand the test of time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2017 4.28am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 28 Mar 17 1.15pm
European parliament will veto Brexit deal with early cut-off date for free movement. Typical date fiddle by May she has been around. So have the EU it seems.

steeleye20

Croydon 28 Mar 17 1.15pm

European parliament will veto Brexit deal with early cut-off date for free movement.

Typical date fiddle by May she has been around.

So have the EU it seems.

Hrolf The Ganger 28 Mar 17 2.49pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 European parliament will veto Brexit deal with early cut-off date for free movement. Typical date fiddle by May she has been around. So have the EU it seems. And great to see all those politicians who claim to represent the people, from Labour, SNP and bell ends like Nick Clegg doing their best to undermine our negotiating position for political gain

Hrolf The Ganger

28 Mar 17 2.49pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

European parliament will veto Brexit deal with early cut-off date for free movement.

Typical date fiddle by May she has been around.

So have the EU it seems.

And great to see all those politicians who claim to represent the people, from Labour, SNP and bell ends like Nick Clegg doing their best to undermine our negotiating position for political gain

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Mar 17 2.58pm
Heard on the radio this morning that part of the good Friday agreement was that there would be a vote on unification if the UK left the EU. Can't remember hearing this in the build up to the referendum.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 Mar 17 2.58pm

Heard on the radio this morning that part of the good Friday agreement was that there would be a vote on unification if the UK left the EU.

Can't remember hearing this in the build up to the referendum.

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