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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Apr 17 12.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The Tory dream of us lackeys working ourselves to death is becoming reality. We are not far off living until death with no retirement or pension as the age for retirement increases beyond the level at which we can expect to be dead. However we will be paying more in taxes and insurance to be rewarded with no pension at all. The above may be a general comment but is it not happening? Not really no. The problem is that since the introduction the state pension people live longer. That is an inescapable fact. The additional cost of an ageing population has to mitigated somehow and pension is an obvious and the right way to do it. You have some people eligible, to retire at 55-60 and will live another 30 years. Why would people not work longer? It seems an odd concept that when someone reaches X age, that they can just kick back and relax for nearly as long as they ever worked. As for diminishing pensions, the triple lock has to go as the state pension is unsustainable currently. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Apr 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The Tory dream of us lackeys working ourselves to death is becoming reality.

We are not far off living until death with no retirement or pension as the age for retirement increases beyond the level at which we can expect to be dead.

However we will be paying more in taxes and insurance to be rewarded with no pension at all.

The above may be a general comment but is it not happening?

Not really no. The problem is that since the introduction the state pension people live longer. That is an inescapable fact. The additional cost of an ageing population has to mitigated somehow and pension is an obvious and the right way to do it. You have some people eligible, to retire at 55-60 and will live another 30 years.

Why would people not work longer? It seems an odd concept that when someone reaches X age, that they can just kick back and relax for nearly as long as they ever worked.

As for diminishing pensions, the triple lock has to go as the state pension is unsustainable currently.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I was addressing the the last point, the blatant bias of which casts doubt on the rest of the post. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2017 8.56pm) It wasn't blatant bias. Another point missed. You will find that most Labour MPs have been fighting to retain DB style benefits for most workers public and private. Not as massive as their own, but they were not actively reducing other Civil Servants' benefits whilst benefiting from the most generous scheme in the country like the Tories. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was addressing the the last point, the blatant bias of which casts doubt on the rest of the post.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2017 8.56pm)

It wasn't blatant bias. Another point missed.

You will find that most Labour MPs have been fighting to retain DB style benefits for most workers public and private. Not as massive as their own, but they were not actively reducing other Civil Servants' benefits whilst benefiting from the most generous scheme in the country like the Tories.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.21pm
BTW. Did I see another flip flop on taxation? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.21pm

BTW. Did I see another flip flop on taxation?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.24pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How are the Greeks doing? Part of that wonderful German pension is down to keeping southern Europe in an effective slave/owner relationship. I do agree with that about Greece but they are a complete exception in the EU. The German pension is down to their industrious nature they do in 3 days what takes us 5. Also good politicians no matter how hard you work there is no point if the politicians screw it all up.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How are the Greeks doing?

Part of that wonderful German pension is down to keeping southern Europe in an effective slave/owner relationship.

I do agree with that about Greece but they are a complete exception in the EU.

The German pension is down to their industrious nature they do in 3 days what takes us 5.

Also good politicians no matter how hard you work there is no point if the politicians screw it all up.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Apr 17 12.29pm
Originally posted by pefwin BTW. Did I see another flip flop on taxation? Apparently not, if it is a change though is that not May having her own manifesto. I would like a party, any party, to come up with far simpler method of taxation. The current way it is done is laughable the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Apr 17 12.29pm

Originally posted by pefwin

BTW. Did I see another flip flop on taxation?

Apparently not, if it is a change though is that not May having her own manifesto.

I would like a party, any party, to come up with far simpler method of taxation. The current way it is done is laughable

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 12.32pm
Originally posted by elgrande Also don't forget comrade,that a lot of Greece problems are their own doing,not paying tax,early retirement on nearly full final salary. Spain was the same,guys of 50 sitting around in bars and cafes all day happily retired.....some one hasays to pay "in the real world". Read what I wrote. Although by no means not responsible for their predicament. Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it? [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Also don't forget comrade,that a lot of Greece problems are their own doing,not paying tax,early retirement on nearly full final salary.
Spain was the same,guys of 50 sitting around in bars and cafes all day happily retired.....some one hasays to pay "in the real world".

Read what I wrote.
Although by no means not responsible for their predicament.

Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it?

[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Apparently not, if it is a change though is that not May having her own manifesto. I would like a party, any party, to come up with far simpler method of taxation. The current way it is done is laughable I am expecting the tories to lie about pensions and increased taxes and then when re-elected to introduce them quite quickly.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.39pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Apparently not, if it is a change though is that not May having her own manifesto.

I would like a party, any party, to come up with far simpler method of taxation. The current way it is done is laughable

I am expecting the tories to lie about pensions and increased taxes and then when re-elected to introduce them quite quickly.

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 17 12.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am expecting the tories to lie about pensions and increased taxes and then when re-elected to introduce them quite quickly. But you think the NHS needs more money yes?

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Apr 17 12.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am expecting the tories to lie about pensions and increased taxes and then when re-elected to introduce them quite quickly.

But you think the NHS needs more money yes?

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by pefwin It wasn't blatant bias. Another point missed. You will find that most Labour MPs have been fighting to retain DB style benefits for most workers public and private. Not as massive as their own, but they were not actively reducing other Civil Servants' benefits whilst benefiting from the most generous scheme in the country like the Tories. It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Apr 17 12.44pm

Originally posted by pefwin

It wasn't blatant bias. Another point missed.

It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Read what I wrote. Although by no means not responsible for their predicament. Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it? [Link] If only the Greeks had ditched the European Central Bank 2 years ago and restarted the drachma they would be back on their own feet by now. If you or I go bankrupt we can be up and running within a year what the Greeks have is a life sentence. Whatever demands are made on them if they fulfil them it will make zero difference.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Apr 17 12.46pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Read what I wrote.
Although by no means not responsible for their predicament.

Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it?

[Link]

If only the Greeks had ditched the European Central Bank 2 years ago and restarted the drachma they would be back on their own feet by now.

If you or I go bankrupt we can be up and running within a year what the Greeks have is a life sentence.

Whatever demands are made on them if they fulfil them it will make zero difference.

elgrande bedford 22 Apr 17 12.54pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Read what I wrote. Although by no means not responsible for their predicament. Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it? [Link] Don't talk down to me comrade I did read what you wrote,and I have added further comment to it....and forced on them by the jolly Germans, you know the ones who run the EU. And I cannot possibly take anything you say serious from now on after you called the police "five 0" FFS you are a middle aged white middle class bloke..not someone from the "Hood". always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 22 Apr 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Read what I wrote.
Although by no means not responsible for their predicament.

Still doesn't detract from the financial austerity driven atrocity the world Bank and their mates forced on them does it?

[Link]

Don't talk down to me comrade I did read what you wrote,and I have added further comment to it....and forced on them by the jolly Germans, you know the ones who run the EU.
And I cannot possibly take anything you say serious from now on after you called the police "five 0" FFS you are a middle aged white middle class bloke..not someone from the "Hood".

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe. You suggest that I support the Labour Party? LOL The point I am making is obviously way above your understanding or blinkered world view. Do people often say "Whoooosh" to your face? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 12.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe.

You suggest that I support the Labour Party? LOL

The point I am making is obviously way above your understanding or blinkered world view.

Do people often say "Whoooosh" to your face?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe. The Chancellor versus PM is the key relationship in power. 'The government is on office, the treasury in power' Harold Wilson. Is it different now the chancellor must stand up for himself.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Apr 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It you want to be taken seriously then don't finish the post with party political tripe.

The Chancellor versus PM is the key relationship in power.

'The government is on office, the treasury in power'
Harold Wilson.

Is it different now the chancellor must stand up for himself.

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by pefwin You suggest that I support the Labour Party? LOL The point I am making is obviously way above your understanding or blinkered world view. Do people often say "Whoooosh" to your face? No, that would be considered weird where I come from. When you have finished disappearing up your own arsehole, I am available to listen to your issues.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Apr 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by pefwin

You suggest that I support the Labour Party? LOL

The point I am making is obviously way above your understanding or blinkered world view.

Do people often say "Whoooosh" to your face?

No, that would be considered weird where I come from.

When you have finished disappearing up your own arsehole, I am available to listen to your issues.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 1.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, that would be considered weird where I come from. When you have finished disappearing up your own arsehole, I am available to listen to your issues. I think will leave that for someone who actually has the capacity to debate back. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 17 1.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, that would be considered weird where I come from.

When you have finished disappearing up your own arsehole, I am available to listen to your issues.

I think will leave that for someone who actually has the capacity to debate back.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.16pm
Originally posted by elgrande Don't talk down to me comrade I did read what you wrote,and I have added further comment to it....and forced on them by the jolly Germans, you know the ones who run the EU. And I cannot possibly take anything you say serious from now on after you called the police "five 0" FFS you are a middle aged white middle class bloke..not someone from the "Hood". I've been rewatching the Wire! Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.16pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I've been rewatching the Wire!

Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang)

elgrande bedford 22 Apr 17 1.23pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I've been rewatching the Wire! Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang) Sorry I am still here and I did counter it....it was forced on them by the Germans...you know the head of the EU. You really are like a spoilt child if someone doesn't agree with you. And the "I've been rematch ing the wire" line doesn't cut it mate... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 22 Apr 17 1.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've been rewatching the Wire!

Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang)

Sorry I am still here and I did counter it....it was forced on them by the Germans...you know the head of the EU.
You really are like a spoilt child if someone doesn't agree with you.
And the "I've been rematch ing the wire" line doesn't cut it mate...

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 17 1.23pm
Originally posted by pefwin I think will leave that for someone who actually has the capacity to debate back. No. You are still up there. Take a deep breath and say, there's no place like home.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Apr 17 1.23pm

Originally posted by pefwin

I think will leave that for someone who actually has the capacity to debate back.

No. You are still up there.

Take a deep breath and say, there's no place like home.

elgrande bedford 22 Apr 17 1.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I've been rewatching the Wire! Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang) And it shows what sort creep you are by bringing Hoof into it when he's not here to respond....pathetic. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 22 Apr 17 1.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've been rewatching the Wire!

Well done for doing a 'hoof' and scuttling off before countering my world Bank point. (can you change your username to helgrande? There's a space in the H gang)

And it shows what sort creep you are by bringing Hoof into it when he's not here to respond....pathetic.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by elgrande Sorry I am still here and I did counter it....it was forced on them by the Germans...you know the head of the EU. You really are like a spoilt child if someone doesn't agree with you. And the "I've been rematch ing the wire" line doesn't cut it mate... I will post the link detailing the imf role in the Greek debt crisis again as you don't seem to have read it. [Link] It doesn't mention Germany. Can you direct me somewhere that says it's Germany's fault?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.28pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I will post the link detailing the imf role in the Greek debt crisis again as you don't seem to have read it.

[Link]

It doesn't mention Germany. Can you direct me somewhere that says it's Germany's fault?

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