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eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.01am
If you want to know who linked Iraq with the war on terror, it was Bush and Blair, as I recall. The Iraq thing is a whole long story that goes way back though, before 9/11, before the Kuwait war, before even Saddam. We've been meddling in that part of the world for far too long. It needs an entirely new thread just to get started on Iraq. Furry, you speak the truth pal. Aside from petty arguments with little boys that can only express themselves through anger and violence, the overriding message I get from this thread is just what you say :"acceptance of others needs to be practised by all"... right now, the only special treatment the immigrants seem to be getting is suspicion, spite and (in some awful cases) being beaten to death for being Muslim by people who think they are a threat to "British culture". If British culture is beating people to death, I want none of it. There is plenty to be proud of in this country, but it doesn't mean we should wear rose-tinted glasses and dream about warm beer and village cricket. We have big problems here with some people not mixing with the rest of society, and some people not accepting people into society. They all need their thick heads banging together. face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

eulalio

Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.01am

If you want to know who linked Iraq with the war on terror, it was Bush and Blair, as I recall. The Iraq thing is a whole long story that goes way back though, before 9/11, before the Kuwait war, before even Saddam. We've been meddling in that part of the world for far too long. It needs an entirely new thread just to get started on Iraq.

Furry, you speak the truth pal. Aside from petty arguments with little boys that can only express themselves through anger and violence, the overriding message I get from this thread is just what you say :"acceptance of others needs to be practised by all"... right now, the only special treatment the immigrants seem to be getting is suspicion, spite and (in some awful cases) being beaten to death for being Muslim by people who think they are a threat to "British culture".

If British culture is beating people to death, I want none of it. There is plenty to be proud of in this country, but it doesn't mean we should wear rose-tinted glasses and dream about warm beer and village cricket. We have big problems here with some people not mixing with the rest of society, and some people not accepting people into society. They all need their thick heads banging together.

face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 9.13am
Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then? 'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f* can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued! Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture? Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly** are! Can you not see that? What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India???

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 9.13am

Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f*** can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued!

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that?

What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India???

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Jul 05 9.16am
Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then? 'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f* can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued! Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture? Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that? What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India??? A very small percentage of the total, you'll find. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 14 Jul 05 9.16am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am

Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that?

What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India???

A very small percentage of the total, you'll find.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.19am
Quite, BB. That's the problem with these "statements" about them and us -- once you examine them closely, the smell of bullsh!t becomes all-pervading. Whether the bombers did it because of Iraq or Palestine is debatable, sure, but everyone seems to be in agreement that their main aim was to divide us as a nation and make us fight eachother. That makes me all the more determined to ensure that we don't allow that to happen, otherwise we might as well fight all their battles for them. face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

eulalio

Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.19am

Quite, BB. That's the problem with these "statements" about them and us -- once you examine them closely, the smell of bullsh!t becomes all-pervading.

Whether the bombers did it because of Iraq or Palestine is debatable, sure, but everyone seems to be in agreement that their main aim was to divide us as a nation and make us fight eachother. That makes me all the more determined to ensure that we don't allow that to happen, otherwise we might as well fight all their battles for them.

eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.21am
Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2005 9:16am Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then? 'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f* can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued! Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture? Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly** are! Can you not see that? What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India??? A very small percentage of the total, you'll find. But not as small as the percentage of people who support Al Qaeda. So how does one "very small percentage" define an entire group, where another is dismissed as irrelevant? It all looks a little too expedient to me. face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

eulalio

Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 9.21am

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2005 9:16am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am

Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that?

What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India???

A very small percentage of the total, you'll find.

But not as small as the percentage of people who support Al Qaeda. So how does one "very small percentage" define an entire group, where another is dismissed as irrelevant? It all looks a little too expedient to me.

furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 14 Jul 05 9.34am
Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:01am If you want to know who linked Iraq with the war on terror, it was Bush and Blair, as I recall. The Iraq thing is a whole long story that goes way back though, before 9/11, before the Kuwait war, before even Saddam. We've been meddling in that part of the world for far too long. It needs an entirely new thread just to get started on Iraq. Furry, you speak the truth pal. Aside from petty arguments with little boys that can only express themselves through anger and violence, the overriding message I get from this thread is just what you say :"acceptance of others needs to be practised by all"... right now, the only special treatment the immigrants seem to be getting is suspicion, spite and (in some awful cases) being beaten to death for being Muslim by people who think they are a threat to "British culture". If British culture is beating people to death, I want none of it. There is plenty to be proud of in this country, but it doesn't mean we should wear rose-tinted glasses and dream about warm beer and village cricket. We have big problems here with some people not mixing with the rest of society, and some people not accepting people into society. They all need their thick heads banging together. HMHS, I am glad you got the gist of my post. On the case of Iraq, yes it was Blair & Bush who linked it with the war on terror but the last I saw they were not the ones on here posting that Iraq was the reason we were targeted we were along time before then, 9/11 was just to highlight this point. The British culture is not to beat people up because they are not "British" with the exception of the French!!! It is to be proud of who we are, to stand up for what is right, to watch us get stuffed in the ashes whilst no longer drinking warm beer but getting a cold larger. We have minority thugs in our midst who do not do us justice of being British, but I ask does every culture not have these, I am sure they do. As long as the majority of us do not follow them but stand up to them & denounce them we keep the high ground. To talk of us meddeling in the Middle East for to long how far back do you want to go? The crusades? Can I ask where you think Western Policy is wrong to the Arab world, excluding Iraq & Afgan which I think I understand your view on. If we all tolerated each other the world would be a better place & this is not confined to this little island of ours but to Arabs, Muslism's, Jews, Jedi Knights & so on.

furrybloke

Hemel Hempstead 14 Jul 05 9.34am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:01am

HMHS, I am glad you got the gist of my post.

On the case of Iraq, yes it was Blair & Bush who linked it with the war on terror but the last I saw they were not the ones on here posting that Iraq was the reason we were targeted we were along time before then, 9/11 was just to highlight this point.

The British culture is not to beat people up because they are not "British" with the exception of the French!!! It is to be proud of who we are, to stand up for what is right, to watch us get stuffed in the ashes whilst no longer drinking warm beer but getting a cold larger. We have minority thugs in our midst who do not do us justice of being British, but I ask does every culture not have these, I am sure they do. As long as the majority of us do not follow them but stand up to them & denounce them we keep the high ground.

To talk of us meddeling in the Middle East for to long how far back do you want to go? The crusades? Can I ask where you think Western Policy is wrong to the Arab world, excluding Iraq & Afgan which I think I understand your view on.

If we all tolerated each other the world would be a better place & this is not confined to this little island of ours but to Arabs, Muslism's, Jews, Jedi Knights & so on.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Jul 05 9.45am
Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:21am Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2005 9:16am Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then? 'Multicultural' means 'the existence of several cultures within a society', 'several' means 'some' or 'more than one', so with that in mind, come on then, let's hear it, how the f* can you have a race riot in a monocultural society I'm intrigued! Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture? Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that? What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India??? A very small percentage of the total, you'll find. But not as small as the percentage of people who support Al Qaeda. So how does one "very small percentage" define an entire group, where another is dismissed as irrelevant? It all looks a little too expedient to me. I said that the tea drinking, cricket playing English speaking people from India form a relatively small percentage of that population. My point is that the prevailing culture in the Indian sub-continent is alien to our own. I made no further generalisation than that, no matter how hard you try to find one. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 14 Jul 05 9.45am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:21am

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2005 9:16am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:13am

Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jul 2005 6:49pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:38pm

Quote Petealiator at 13 Jul 2005 6:36pm

Quote tome at 13 Jul 2005 6:09pm

What makes you think race riots and suicide bombers are naturally the product of multicultural society then?

Why are we assuming that people of different race are necessarily of different culture?

Because, in many cases, they are! People originating from the Indian sub-continent certainly are! Can you not see that?

What like tea drinking, cricket playing, English speaking people from India???

A very small percentage of the total, you'll find.

I said that the tea drinking, cricket playing English speaking people from India form a relatively small percentage of that population. My point is that the prevailing culture in the Indian sub-continent is alien to our own. I made no further generalisation than that, no matter how hard you try to find one.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 9.58am
In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people.... Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects. One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala. Is our culture really that different?????????????????????? Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 9.58am

In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people....

Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects.

One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala.

Is our culture really that different??????????????????????

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 10.19am
A lot of people have talked about the link between Iraq and terrorist attacks on our soil. Downing street today published this list of suspected attacks by Al Qaeda. I'm not saying this means that there is no way Iraq made a difference - but it is interesting just the same. 26-Feb-93 USA (New York) First World Trade Center bombing planned by Ramzi Youssef. 6 killed, over 1000 injured. 11-Dec-94 Philippines Small bomb on Philippines Airlines flight; 1 Japanese businessman killed, 10 people injured. 29-Jul-95 France (Paris and Lyon) 4-month bombing campaign. Attacks on the Paris metro, the Arc de Triomphe and outside a Jewish school in Lyon. 13-Nov-95 Saudi Arabia (Riyadh) Car bombs at military compound. 18-Sep-97 Egypt(Cairo) Gunmen attack a tourist bus. 9 Germans and 1 Egyptian killed. 17-Nov-97 Egypt (Luxor) Gunmen attack tourists. c.70 killed. 7-Aug-98 Kenya (Nairobi) and Tanzania (Dar-es-Salaam) Truck bomb attack against US embassies. Over 200 people killed, thousands injured. 12-Oct-00 Yemen Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole in the port of Aden. 17 US soldiers killed, 39 wounded. 11-Sep-01 USA (New York and Washington) Hijacked planes crashed into the two World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. A fourth plane crashes into a field in Pittsburgh. c. 3000 killed. 11-Apr-02 Tunisia Vehicle bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. c.21 killed. 8-May-02 **stan (Karachi) Bomb attack against bus carrying French engineers near Sheraton Hotel. 14-Jun-02 stan (Karachi) Truck bomb attack against US Consulate. 12 killed, 51 injured. 6-Oct-02 Yemen Boat bomb attack against French oil tanker MV Limburg off Ash Shahir port. 1 killed. 12-Oct-02 Indonesia (Bali) Attacks against US Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy's Bar. 202 killed, including 26 Britons. 28-Nov-02 Kenya (Mombasa) Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. 12 killed. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day. 12-May-03 Saudi Arabia (Riyadh) Attacks at 3 compounds housing expatriates. Over 30 killed. 16-May-03 Morocco (Casablanca) Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish club, hotel and sites. 45 dead, c.100 injured. 5-Aug-03 Indonesia Vehicle bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. c. 12 killed, 100 injured. 8-Nov-03 Saudi Arabia (Riyadh) Major vehicle bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly expatriate workers from other Arab countries. 17 killed, over 80 injured. 15-Nov-03 Turkey (Istanbul) 2 vehicle bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues. 20-Nov-03 Turkey (Istanbul) 2 vehicle bombs at HSBC Bank and British Consulate. Together with 15 Nov attack, over 60 people killed (including 2 Britons). 11-Mar-04 Spain (Madrid) Bomb attacks against 4 trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police. 199 killed. 1-May-04 Saudi Arabia (Yanbu) Attack on expatriate oil workers. 6 foreign nationals and 1 Saudi killed. 30-May-05 Saudi Arabia (Al Khobar) 4 attacks in Al Khobbar target oil companies and compound. 9-Sep-04 Indonesia (Jakarta) Vehicle bomb outside Australian Embassy. 9 killed, over 100 injured. 8-Oct-04 Egypt Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at 2 campsites in the Sinai area. Over 30 killed. 28-Oct-04 **stan (Islamabad) Explosion at Marriott Hotel. 7 injured. 19-Mar-05 Qatar (Doha) Vehicle bomb attack outside the Doha Players' Theatre. 1 (British national) killed, 12 injured. 07-Apr-05 Egypt (Cairo) Attack near tourist bazaar in Cairo. 2 French nationals and one American killed, c.18 injured. 30-Apr-05 Egypt (Cairo) Tourist bus fired on in Cairo. 8 injured. 07-Jul-05 UK (London) 4 explosions - 3 in tube trains, one in bus. At least 52 dead, 700 injured. Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:19am)

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 10.19am

A lot of people have talked about the link between Iraq and terrorist attacks on our soil.

Downing street today published this list of suspected attacks by Al Qaeda.

I'm not saying this means that there is no way Iraq made a difference - but it is interesting just the same.

26-Feb-93
USA (New York)
First World Trade Center bombing planned by Ramzi Youssef. 6 killed, over 1000 injured.

11-Dec-94
Philippines
Small bomb on Philippines Airlines flight; 1 Japanese businessman killed, 10 people injured.

29-Jul-95
France (Paris and Lyon)
4-month bombing campaign. Attacks on the Paris metro, the Arc de Triomphe and outside a Jewish school in Lyon.

13-Nov-95
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Car bombs at military compound.

18-Sep-97
Egypt(Cairo)
Gunmen attack a tourist bus. 9 Germans and 1 Egyptian killed.

17-Nov-97
Egypt (Luxor)
Gunmen attack tourists. c.70 killed.

7-Aug-98
Kenya (Nairobi) and Tanzania (Dar-es-Salaam)
Truck bomb attack against US embassies. Over 200 people killed, thousands injured.

12-Oct-00
Yemen
Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole in the port of Aden. 17 US soldiers killed, 39 wounded.

11-Sep-01
USA (New York and Washington)
Hijacked planes crashed into the two World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. A fourth plane crashes into a field in Pittsburgh. c. 3000 killed.

11-Apr-02
Tunisia
Vehicle bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. c.21 killed.

8-May-02
****stan (Karachi)
Bomb attack against bus carrying French engineers near Sheraton Hotel.

14-Jun-02
****stan (Karachi)
Truck bomb attack against US Consulate. 12 killed, 51 injured.

6-Oct-02
Yemen
Boat bomb attack against French oil tanker MV Limburg off Ash Shahir port. 1 killed.

12-Oct-02
Indonesia (Bali)
Attacks against US Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy's Bar. 202 killed, including 26 Britons.

28-Nov-02
Kenya (Mombasa)
Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. 12 killed. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day.

12-May-03
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Attacks at 3 compounds housing expatriates. Over 30 killed.

16-May-03
Morocco (Casablanca)
Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish club, hotel and sites. 45 dead, c.100 injured.

5-Aug-03
Indonesia
Vehicle bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. c. 12 killed, 100 injured.

8-Nov-03
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Major vehicle bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly expatriate workers from other Arab countries. 17 killed, over 80 injured.

15-Nov-03
Turkey (Istanbul)
2 vehicle bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues.

20-Nov-03
Turkey (Istanbul)
2 vehicle bombs at HSBC Bank and British Consulate. Together with 15 Nov attack, over 60 people killed (including 2 Britons).

11-Mar-04
Spain (Madrid)
Bomb attacks against 4 trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police. 199 killed.

1-May-04
Saudi Arabia (Yanbu)
Attack on expatriate oil workers. 6 foreign nationals and 1 Saudi killed.

30-May-05
Saudi Arabia (Al Khobar)
4 attacks in Al Khobbar target oil companies and compound.

9-Sep-04
Indonesia (Jakarta)
Vehicle bomb outside Australian Embassy. 9 killed, over 100 injured.

8-Oct-04
Egypt
Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at 2 campsites in the Sinai area. Over 30 killed.

28-Oct-04
****stan (Islamabad)
Explosion at Marriott Hotel. 7 injured.

19-Mar-05
Qatar (Doha)
Vehicle bomb attack outside the Doha Players' Theatre. 1 (British national) killed, 12 injured.

07-Apr-05
Egypt (Cairo)
Attack near tourist bazaar in Cairo. 2 French nationals and one American killed, c.18 injured.

30-Apr-05
Egypt (Cairo)
Tourist bus fired on in Cairo. 8 injured.

07-Jul-05
UK (London)
4 explosions - 3 in tube trains, one in bus. At least 52 dead, 700 injured.

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:19am)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.37am
Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:01am If British culture is beating people to death, I want none of it. There is plenty to be proud of in this country, but it doesn't mean we should wear rose-tinted glasses and dream about warm beer and village cricket. We have big problems here with some people not mixing with the rest of society, and some people not accepting people into society. They all need their thick heads banging together. It's the immigrants who don't integrate into British society that is more the problem!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.37am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 9:01am

If British culture is beating people to death, I want none of it. There is plenty to be proud of in this country, but it doesn't mean we should wear rose-tinted glasses and dream about warm beer and village cricket. We have big problems here with some people not mixing with the rest of society, and some people not accepting people into society. They all need their thick heads banging together.

It's the immigrants who don't integrate into British society that is more the problem!

Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.39am
Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people.... Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects. One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala. Is our culture really that different?????????????????????? Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am) Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.39am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am

In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people....

Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects.

One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala.

Is our culture really that different??????????????????????

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!!

cpfc-rjd Beckenham and the BBS 14 Jul 05 10.41am
Is anyone else a bit pissed off with Blair coming out and now saying he's going to deport imams who preach hate and the Muslim MPs who say that it's time for the community to root out the extremists? These people kept on telling us that an attack was coming. It was called inevitable. Why on earth did it take the death of so many for Blair and co. to wake up? He should have been sorting this out before. The community should have been informing on these loonies before. The EU after Madrid decided to implement many anti-terror laws. 2/3 haven't been implemented. Why all the action now? Did it take the loss of so many innocent lives for those in power to take the threat seriously? "Her very Lowness with her head in a sling I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing" NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT [Link]

cpfc-rjd

Beckenham and the BBS 14 Jul 05 10.41am

Is anyone else a bit pissed off with Blair coming out and now saying he's going to deport imams who preach hate and the Muslim MPs who say that it's time for the community to root out the extremists?

These people kept on telling us that an attack was coming. It was called inevitable. Why on earth did it take the death of so many for Blair and co. to wake up?

He should have been sorting this out before. The community should have been informing on these loonies before.

The EU after Madrid decided to implement many anti-terror laws. 2/3 haven't been implemented.

Why all the action now? Did it take the loss of so many innocent lives for those in power to take the threat seriously?

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

[Link]

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 10.45am
Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people.... Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects. One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala. Is our culture really that different?????????????????????? Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am) Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!! India uses: Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure. Our system of law. Train systems designed and built by us. etc etc etc etc

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 10.45am

Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am

In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people....

Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects.

One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala.

Is our culture really that different??????????????????????

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!!

India uses:

Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure.

Our system of law.

Train systems designed and built by us.

etc etc etc etc

furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 14 Jul 05 10.48am
It's the immigrants who don't integrate into British society that is more the problem! The problem is people are intolerent & when they should make a stand they do not. Let me put a few things into the is discussion I am going on holiday to Turkey this year. If I wear a fez I will be arrested or beaten as it is an insult. If my wife goes topless she will be arrested. If we do these we know what will happen in Turkey. In the UK The leader of the BNP is arrested & charged for expressing his view in private with a reporter/copper I can't remember which (I do not agree) In Finsbury Park Abu Hamza expressed his anti-british views in public, no arrest Someone has know taken over from him no arrest. Eventually someone will lose there temper & it will kick off down there & the preacher will be given all the protection in the world & by the way these guys a sponging off us in dole money & handouts without good reason (not racist, I would have the same view on a white person before you say) We should as humans be tolerant this is not a purely white thing, if people do not want to intergarte that is up to them that is what makes us a free society, but you must respect the laws & values of those around you & not force your opions on them.

furrybloke

Hemel Hempstead 14 Jul 05 10.48am

It's the immigrants who don't integrate into British society that is more the problem!

The problem is people are intolerent & when they should make a stand they do not.

Let me put a few things into the is discussion

I am going on holiday to Turkey this year.

If I wear a fez I will be arrested or beaten as it is an insult.
If my wife goes topless she will be arrested.
If we do these we know what will happen in Turkey.

In the UK
The leader of the BNP is arrested & charged for expressing his view in private with a reporter/copper I can't remember which (I do not agree)
In Finsbury Park Abu Hamza expressed his anti-british views in public, no arrest
Someone has know taken over from him no arrest.
Eventually someone will lose there temper & it will kick off down there & the preacher will be given all the protection in the world & by the way these guys a sponging off us in dole money & handouts without good reason (not racist, I would have the same view on a white person before you say)

We should as humans be tolerant this is not a purely white thing, if people do not want to intergarte that is up to them that is what makes us a free society, but you must respect the laws & values of those around you & not force your opions on them.

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 10.49am
Quote cpfc-rjd at 14 Jul 2005 10:41am Is anyone else a bit pissed off with Blair coming out and now saying he's going to deport imams who preach hate and the Muslim MPs who say that it's time for the community to root out the extremists? These people kept on telling us that an attack was coming. It was called inevitable. Why on earth did it take the death of so many for Blair and co. to wake up? He should have been sorting this out before. The community should have been informing on these loonies before. The EU after Madrid decided to implement many anti-terror laws. 2/3 haven't been implemented. Why all the action now? Did it take the loss of so many innocent lives for those in power to take the threat seriously? No but it probably takes a bomb to shut up Liberty and Shami Chakrabahti and all the Lib dem types who complain about civil liberties arguments. Come to think of it cpfc-rjd - you echoed their arguments on the ID cards debate. Is that officially a flip flop by your good self?

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 10.49am

Quote cpfc-rjd at 14 Jul 2005 10:41am

Is anyone else a bit pissed off with Blair coming out and now saying he's going to deport imams who preach hate and the Muslim MPs who say that it's time for the community to root out the extremists?

These people kept on telling us that an attack was coming. It was called inevitable. Why on earth did it take the death of so many for Blair and co. to wake up?

He should have been sorting this out before. The community should have been informing on these loonies before.

The EU after Madrid decided to implement many anti-terror laws. 2/3 haven't been implemented.

Why all the action now? Did it take the loss of so many innocent lives for those in power to take the threat seriously?

No but it probably takes a bomb to shut up Liberty and Shami Chakrabahti and all the Lib dem types who complain about civil liberties arguments.

Come to think of it cpfc-rjd - you echoed their arguments on the ID cards debate.

Is that officially a flip flop by your good self?

Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.55am
Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 10:45am Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people.... Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects. One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala. Is our culture really that different?????????????????????? Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am) Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!! India uses: Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure. Our system of law. Train systems designed and built by us. etc etc etc etc I don't see your point. Most countries around the world have trains, curries and a system of law!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 14 Jul 05 10.55am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 10:45am

Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am

In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people....

Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects.

One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala.

Is our culture really that different??????????????????????

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!!

India uses:

Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure.

Our system of law.

Train systems designed and built by us.

etc etc etc etc

I don't see your point. Most countries around the world have trains, curries and a system of law!

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 10.57am
Yes but not OUR system of law/government etc. Commonwealth countries have a shared British culture. I just can't understand an argument against this.

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 10.57am

Yes but not OUR system of law/government etc.

Commonwealth countries have a shared British culture. I just can't understand an argument against this.

cpfc-rjd Beckenham and the BBS 14 Jul 05 10.57am
Not at all mate. The bombers were British- they would have had ID cards. They weren't on the 'radar.' The bigwigs were probably foreign- they would have come in on passports- ID cards wouldn't have stopped that. ID cards are useless. Kicking religious nutters out is a start. The community challenging idiot views is a start. It seems as though Blair has only just realized that we have a problem with hate groups in this country. Maybe they should have thought about them rather than useless ID cards. "Her very Lowness with her head in a sling I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing" NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT [Link]

cpfc-rjd

Beckenham and the BBS 14 Jul 05 10.57am

Not at all mate.

The bombers were British- they would have had ID cards. They weren't on the 'radar.'

The bigwigs were probably foreign- they would have come in on passports- ID cards wouldn't have stopped that.

ID cards are useless. Kicking religious nutters out is a start. The community challenging idiot views is a start. It seems as though Blair has only just realized that we have a problem with hate groups in this country. Maybe they should have thought about them rather than useless ID cards.

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

[Link]

Balham Burner 14 Jul 05 11.00am
Fair points - but your sentiments on your "Big Brother" thread contradict what you said in your original post on this thread....

Balham Burner

14 Jul 05 11.00am

Fair points - but your sentiments on your "Big Brother" thread contradict what you said in your original post on this thread....

14 Jul 05 11.02am
Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 10:45am Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people.... Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects. One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala. Is our culture really that different?????????????????????? Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am) Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!! India uses: Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure. Our system of law. Train systems designed and built by us. etc etc etc etc I refuse to accept that the culture in the Indian sub-continent and ours are not alien to each other. I think you're nit-picking and ignoring the obvious differences which are based on history, religion and a host of other factors.

14 Jul 05 11.02am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 10:45am

Quote Penge Eagle at 14 Jul 2005 10:39am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 9:58am

In India Cricket is played by approx 400 million people....

Most of OUR FORMER COLONY of India speaks English because of the different dialects.

One of our national dishes (ie consumed by high % of people) is Chicken Tikka Massala.

Is our culture really that different??????????????????????

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 10:20am)

Well apart from cricket and curry - it's VERY different!!

India uses:

Our democratic governmental system and civil service structure.

Our system of law.

Train systems designed and built by us.

etc etc etc etc

I refuse to accept that the culture in the Indian sub-continent and ours are not alien to each other. I think you're nit-picking and ignoring the obvious differences which are based on history, religion and a host of other factors.

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