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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 11.52am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I hope you are right, but it's a bit crystal ball.

You can't argue with the logic.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You can't argue with the logic.

As you are responding, I'll make the most of it.
As someone who voted leave because of immigration (among other things no doubt) what do you make of David Davis's remark about immigration levels staying the same or rising if we are to keep the economy going? I'd feel a bit cheated myself.

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Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm)

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Mar 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

We are holding all the trump cards Kermy....

Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU.

We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations.

Will we though, because a lot of the UK enterprises are foreign owned. I can't see the UK adding tariffs to German cars, given the number of people employed with say BMW or Mercedes. And wouldn't the price just be added on to the end consumer. If your the EU, that's a much larger group, than the UK.

Also given the number of memberstates in the EU, the option to subsidise those UK tariffs is probably far more viable than it would be for the UK to do the same.

There is then also the risk that in response, that companies will start to relocate to Europe, and the UK is fairly dependent on foreign firms etc. We'll likely end up 'imposing tariffs, and then cutting corporation taxes to compensate firms operating in the UK from import tariffs.

Plus can we really 'fight a trade war' whilst also trying to negotiate trade deals with every other country in the world. Wouldn't they just leverage that 'conflict with the EU' to their own ends?.

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc....

How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs

I'd imagine it'll be a race between them complaining, and consumers in the UK complaining about the prices. The EU has a reputation for using subsidies to protect its members losses, and could find it easier to raise that subsidy from each member states than the UK could from taxation.

How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I think there is a tendency to over estimate our position of strength, because we're currently in the EU. Obviously I hope your right, but I am concerned about the general assumed 'everything will be fine, and there will be no consequences'.

There are always consequences from change.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Mar 17 12.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

As you are responding, I'll make the most of it.
As someone who voted leave because of immigration (among other things no doubt) what do you make of David Davis's remark about immigration levels staying the same or rising if we are to keep the economy going? I'd feel a bit cheated myself.

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Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm)

Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable.

Basically, the government of the UK will pay lip service to the issues of leave, whilst continuing to just serve their corporate masters agendas. All that will happen is that working immigrants will get a worse deal.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 12.15pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable.

Basically, the government of the UK will pay lip service to the issues of leave, whilst continuing to just serve their corporate masters agendas. All that will happen is that working immigrants will get a worse deal.

And that is precisely why we need a third party to pressure them. We still need a UKIP or whatever they evolve into. When the government predictably try and continue business as usual, the electorate need to remind them what it was all about.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd imagine it'll be a race between them complaining, and consumers in the UK complaining about the prices. The EU has a reputation for using subsidies to protect its members losses, and could find it easier to raise that subsidy from each member states than the UK could from taxation.

How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I think there is a tendency to over estimate our position of strength, because we're currently in the EU. Obviously I hope your right, but I am concerned about the general assumed 'everything will be fine, and there will be no consequences'.

There are always consequences from change.

What Hoof hasn't addressed is that most of our trade in services. How will tariffs work here. Would say Architects be affected negatively?

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 31 Mar 17 1.01pm

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

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Hehe

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 1.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Hehe

Shall I fart or mention a rude part of the body so you and Kermie can laugh some more?

 

legaleagle Flag 31 Mar 17 1.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

To be fair, your posts are generally supercilious mirror-w***s, seemingly designed to prove how superior you think you are to us mortals.

I kind of get bored and turn off.

You are better than that, Matthew.Time for a new repertoire,no?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

You are better than that, Matthew.Time for a new repertoire,no?

And you just perfectly demonstrated exactly what he was accusing you of.

Brilliant.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 1.43pm

Davis has said immigration won't go down. No reaction yet from Brexiters. Why?

 

legaleagle Flag 31 Mar 17 1.44pm


Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


And you just perfectly demonstrated exactly what he was accusing you of.

Brilliant.


You guys;Pot,kettle black to the ultimate degree.But you just don't see it!xxx

Edited by legaleagle (31 Mar 2017 1.45pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 1.49pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

You guys;Pot,kettle black to the ultimate degree.But you just don't see it!xxx

Edited by legaleagle (31 Mar 2017 1.45pm)

Oh the irony.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 1.56pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Davis has said immigration won't go down. No reaction yet from Brexiters. Why?

The response had to come via the ballot box. If people want what is best for the majority, they will abandon Labour completely and vote UKIP, as should many Tory leavers.
This is not, and was never, the time to celebrate victory. This is just a step in the process.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 1.56pm)

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 2.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The response had to come via the ballot box. If people want what is best for the majority, they will abandon Labour completely and vote UKIP, as should many Tory leavers.
This is not, and was never, the time to celebrate victory. This is just a step in the process.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 1.56pm)

Just to clarify, people will run to UKIP when it transpires we need immigrants to keep the economy going, as Brexit secretary David Davis has said just this week.


Just a step in the process? What process? Make Britain White?

Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 2.02pm)

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Mar 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The response had to come via the ballot box. If people want what is best for the majority, they will abandon Labour completely and vote UKIP, as should many Tory leavers.
This is not, and was never, the time to celebrate victory. This is just a step in the process.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 1.56pm)

UKIP aren't looking too good, no real notable leader, no financial backer and no 'core cause'. Most of the Tories who jumped ship will jump back now, as 'job done', and the Conservatives will utilise the end of the EU to formulate their own strategy, which will effectively be sufficient lip service to the core UKIP doubters, whilst manipulating as closer a deal as possible with the EU.

They won't call it freedom of movement, it'll involve visas, and be worse for immigrant workers, but it'll effectively prove to be a formality. They'll cut down the benefits angle (even though these have to be earned), focus on trying to ensure unemployed migrant workers return to home nations and sell that as the major success.

But in truth, it'll just be freedom of movement with the formality of some paperwork.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 2.48pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just to clarify, people will run to UKIP when it transpires we need immigrants to keep the economy going, as Brexit secretary David Davis has said just this week.


Just a step in the process? What process? Make Britain White?

Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 2.02pm)

We don't need 300k people a year to maintain the economy. That is a ridiculous idea. It suggests that a constantly rising population is required to maintain normality which cannot be a sustainable policy.

If you want to make Britain white, you only have to wait for the next ice age.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Mar 17 2.54pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

UKIP aren't looking too good, no real notable leader, no financial backer and no 'core cause'. Most of the Tories who jumped ship will jump back now, as 'job done', and the Conservatives will utilise the end of the EU to formulate their own strategy, which will effectively be sufficient lip service to the core UKIP doubters, whilst manipulating as closer a deal as possible with the EU.

They won't call it freedom of movement, it'll involve visas, and be worse for immigrant workers, but it'll effectively prove to be a formality. They'll cut down the benefits angle (even though these have to be earned), focus on trying to ensure unemployed migrant workers return to home nations and sell that as the major success.

But in truth, it'll just be freedom of movement with the formality of some paperwork.

And yet you voted to leave.
The biggest pressure is always votes. Voters must vote tactically to get what they want. Party loyalty is for mugs.
UKIP is in the doldrums at the moment but I'm hoping that the realisation of government ducking and diving will reinvigorate opposition.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Mar 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And yet you voted to leave.
The biggest pressure is always votes. Voters must vote tactically to get what they want. Party loyalty is for mugs.
UKIP is in the doldrums at the moment but I'm hoping that the realisation of government ducking and diving will reinvigorate opposition.

Well if we didn't leave the EU, there was nothing we could do. Now we have, we have the capacity to restrict EU migration, and non-EU migration.

The real issue is going to be keeping governments from doing what corporate entities want them to do, rather than what might be best for the people.

I don't have an issue with immigration, per se, only with the scale and methods by which its employed.

 


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