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 Stirlingsays  31 Mar 17 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Why don't you ask David Davis? I don't know if I'm right here, but are there more people retiring now than there are entering the workforce? Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way. If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living? Keep drinking the economic kool aid. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm)
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yet it has been entirely Tory Governments which have signed us up to everything in regard to The Common Market/EEC/EU that you have despised so much. But we will let that one pass as it is me living in a dream world and not yourself. Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 5.08pm) Keep bending over to your EU political heartthrob Kermy. Yep, pro EU Tory leaders signed us deeper in the EU BEFORE Brown and Blair took us even deeper. These were never popular decisions within the Tory party outside of the leadership...Remember Major and his 'b******s' comment...Unlike in your Labour party or left whatever it is that you support....They have their arses in the air quicker then the EU can get its pants down. Thatcher never wanted the EU that we had today....For you to even suggest that would be a pure untruth....If that's what you are saying. As soon as the Tories had a chance they gave us the opportunity to show EU lovers like yourself that democracy matters to some. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.44pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What I was doing with that post was taking a possible seed of an idea from Hrolfs posts, extrapolating it to a stupid degree then alluding that is what he thinks. It's a tactic Hrolf often uses, so I thought I'd have a go myself. It's really not hard to do and saves on using a counter argument. I do understand people upset at being duped. They voted leave to drive down immigration only to find that probably won't be happening. As if you needed help to post bollocks.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What I was doing with that post was taking a possible seed of an idea from Hrolfs posts, extrapolating it to a stupid degree then alluding that is what he thinks. It's a tactic Hrolf often uses, so I thought I'd have a go myself. It's really not hard to do and saves on using a counter argument. I do understand people upset at being duped. They voted leave to drive down immigration only to find that probably won't be happening. Isn't that itself extrapolating to a stupid degree?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 31 Mar 17 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You gotta feel sorry the whole UK, for The Remainers, for the naive Brexiteers but I am gonna love it, real love it, when the 'Hard' lot see their impossibly stupid, ruinous 'dreams' ebb away with each passing resolution and made to look even more like losers and irrational t1ts. Which I thought was impossible tbf. You guys are just like Old Testament prophets (though not as accurate), even though St. Tony Benn wanted us to leave the EU, along with that other hard right xenophobe, Dennis Skinner. Edited by hedgehog50 (31 Mar 2017 5.49pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 17 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If I was happy about it/wanted it I would've voted 'Brexit' as that imo would be the quickest route to ruination. Use your noggin, man. It's the Hard Right/Hard Brexiteers that don't mind us wrecking ourselves just as long as we aren't in the EU. The Opposite of Patriotism. The fact you are not 'remotely worried' merely smacks of smugness. Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 4.56pm) No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so. Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 5.50pm)
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| davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Appears we are incorporating all EU Law into The Great Repeal Bill. Oh, and non-EU migration (them pesky muslims) that won't be stopping anytime soon either. Vive la dampest of damp squibs Revolution. But it's great though, isn't it? That sense of..er...um....je ne sais quoi. Just bloody fantastic.
NHS - that was it. Marvellous. All that dosh. Edited by Kermit8 (30 Mar 2017 10.52am) Are you thick? What do you want? Just repeal all the EU regulations (NB: those were the ones that our parliament didn't even vote on - straight onto the books with not even a mention in the commons), directives and SIs? Do you know what that would do? No, you simpleton. This is exactly how you do it, and exactly how it was proposed. Transpose existing EU law into UK law, and repeal/replace. Tell me, what was the alternative? After all, it's hardly any legislation at all, right? That's what you lot told us. Should be a piece of cake.
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| davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
I hope it works out since, unlike the owners of the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and the Sun, I live here. But I am not confident. I just hope the Brexiters are right and the people who voted remain like me are wrong. Otherwise its another press supported error of judgement - like the Iraq war but one that actually hurts us instead of the civilians of Iraq...and Syria and Libya. Maybe we have it coming. Go and read the treasury report on what would happen upon "a vote to leave". That (the remainiacs argued) was on the basis of triggering A50 immediately. So, now it's been triggered (as are all the remainiacs, it seems). When is the £4300 coming out of my account? When are the house prices dropping? Right now, the FTSE has never been higher, and today Siemens was just the latest in a long line of Brexit u-turns that are now sheepishly eating their referendum-campaign words. This was not the Press' doing - it was a highly partisan government pressuring both companies, governments (see Australia as the latest) and NGOs to scare us into remaining in the EU. They did this through taxpayer-funded mailshots, dodgy Treasury dossiers and trips from US presidents that then have the nerve to wail at suggestions their democratic process was interfered with by another country. I hope we don't fail. I want this country to do well. I'm under no illusions it will be tough. It will be tough when the real EU fallout starts, and my hope is that we will be somewhat more insulated from it than we are. Particularly if we can diversify our trade arrangements and rely less on the EU. I think long-term, this will be one of the best things that ever happen to us, I sincerely believe that, and I base it on the considerable reading around of the subject, rather than just a gut feeling. I'm sure you don't want our country to fail, but it just amazes me how many on here are desperate for the UK to burn, so they can triumphantly say "I told you so". Sad.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way. If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living? Keep drinking the economic kool aid. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm)
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| davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Davis has said immigration won't go down. No reaction yet from Brexiters. Why? If we don't like it, we'll be free to vote for a party that will implement it - correct?
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| .TUX. 31 Mar 17 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way. If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living? Keep drinking the economic kool aid. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm) Our debt to GDP ratio is in the region of 90%. Japan is currently around 250%(!) and for many years now the Bank of Japan and the Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF) have been buying stocks to inflate the market, create some kind of 'wealth effect' and bamboozle regular Japanese into pouring once again into stocks.
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| .TUX. 31 Mar 17 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so. Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 5.50pm) It's looking that way tbh 'Kerm'.
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| davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You gotta feel sorry the whole UK, for The Remainers, for the naive Brexiteers but I am gonna love it, real love it, when the 'Hard' lot see their impossibly stupid, ruinous 'dreams' ebb away with each passing resolution and made to look even more like losers and irrational t1ts. Which I thought was impossible tbf. Yes. Those dreams of silly things like setting our own tax rate. Of making our own laws. So stupid. Such ruinous. Irrational! I've come to the conclusion you are toxic, Kermit. You want nothing more than to see this country burn, to gain satisfaction that you were right. You will (mis)report each and every stumbling block on the way, in a pathetic bid to validate your narrow views. How every sad and petty you are.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Isn't that itself extrapolating to a stupid degree? No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Our debt to GDP ratio is in the region of 90%. Japan is currently around 250%(!) and for many years now the Bank of Japan and the Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF) have been buying stocks to inflate the market, create some kind of 'wealth effect' and bamboozle regular Japanese into pouring once again into stocks. Really? And what affect has this debt level had upon Japan? Their interest rates? And considering interest rates on debt is a reality for all economies that's the important actual aspect....The US for example are also massively in debt....But everyone wants to buy that US dollar bond. This situation has been the same for decades....Decades....The 2008 crash didn't even seriously affect them. T If the chickens come home to roast for the Japanese they will also come home to roast for every western economy. The fact that Japan didn't import massive numbers of foreigners and create large scale social division will make absolutely no difference at all. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 7.35pm)
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything. Are you saying that Davis will be in power once we actually leave the EU and these realities start to bite....2018 onwards and the twenties beyond. Would you say that Davies would agree with how you are interpreting him? You are extrapolating and calling others stupid for doing the same.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Insult? Didn't you like Kool and the Gang?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 31 Mar 17 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything. The thing is that immigration policy and rules will now be decided by the British government rather than unelected EU Commissioners. We can elect British governments.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are you saying that Davis will be in power once we actually leave the EU and these realities start to bite....2018 onwards and the twenties beyond. Would you say that Davies would agree with how you are interpreting him? You are extrapolating and calling others stupid for doing the same.
For those saying we can vote them out, what are the reasons for what Davis has said and will the same reasons still be there after he has gone. Hrolf thinks we should get British people to have more kids instead of relying on immigration to help keep the economy afloat, but surely replacing every immigrant with a newborn brit will still lead to the same increase in population. I'm not sure that Hrolf realises how much the planets population is growing, but having more kids to replace others is going to increase the population even further!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The thing is that immigration policy and rules will now be decided by the British government rather than unelected EU Commissioners. We can elect British governments. Wouldn't that mean renegotiating trade deals every time there is a new government. If freedom of movement is a requisite of any trade deals that is.
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