Wouldn't that mean renegotiating trade deals every time there is a new government. If freedom of movement is a requisite of any trade deals that is.

I'm not extrapolating / exaggerating (probably a better word), it's what Davis said.

For those saying we can vote them out, what are the reasons for what Davis has said and will the same reasons still be there after he has gone.

Hrolf thinks we should get British people to have more kids instead of relying on immigration to help keep the economy afloat, but surely replacing every immigrant with a newborn brit will still lead to the same increase in population.

I'm not sure that Hrolf realises how much the planets population is growing, but having more kids to replace others is going to increase the population even further!

Yes. Those dreams of silly things like setting our own tax rate. Of making our own laws. So stupid. Such ruinous. Irrational!

I've come to the conclusion you are toxic, Kermit. You want nothing more than to see this country burn, to gain satisfaction that you were right. You will (mis)report each and every stumbling block on the way, in a pathetic bid to validate your narrow views. How every sad and petty you are.

If you think mentioning the status of Gibraltar makes me 'petty', the lies about the NHS 'petty', the fact that LLoyds is opening an outlet in Brussels affecting scores of jobs, directly because of Article 50 being invoked, 'petty' and all the other things to come that, no doubt, you will think of being 'petty' because I dare mention them and upset poor little you then you need get your big, fat, arrogant head out of your arse and look up see what is going on and try and be rational about it. You get upset way too easily and your name-calling just tells me you are getting the wobbles.

And when you are unplugging your butt please also take your fingers out of your ears and stop singing 'la,la,la,la - don't want to hear any negative stuff' - Poor love

"I hope we don't fail" - you say? (a few posts back)

Well, it wasn't that long ago that you were writing 2,000 word essays on here on how it was going to be impossible to fail.

What's changed your tune?

You're the toxic one with your fantasist, utopian no-EU ideology and do you know what's really laughable? You just have not an ounce of self-awareness to know it.

I do think your obsession with right-wing blogs and newspapers has somewhat brainwashed you tbh.

Anyway, thanks for the coming Hard Brexit. The support of.

Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 8.08pm)

Is that it? Is that the extent of the Brexit Armageddon, Jeremiah? Even if these things were true, it is a price well worth paying to be governed by a democratically elected government once again.

Edited by hedgehog50 (31 Mar 2017 8.13pm)

Yeah well your smile is a deluded one.

Blair signed the Amsterdam treaty in 97 which enlarged the EU...Which even Major described as, 'not a triumph but a travesty'.

Then in 2006 Brown signed the Lisbon treaty to complete the enlargement process....All resisted by the Tories. So you are seriously saying those two treaties didn't take us further into the EU.....You obviously don't remember.... You know when Brown broke Mr Blair's promise to hold a referendum on a new treaty. You are seriously deluded Kermy....but I knew that already.

I have already referenced the Tory years....You are talking twenty bloody years ago when Major left office.

Besides Ukip was created precisely because no one at the top was listening....Tory or Labour.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 8.31pm)

stirling, The Treaty of Lisbon gave member states the legal right to leave the EU and the procedure to do so. So would you rather Brown hadn't signed it? That and the Amsterdam Treaty were completing processes that were already well underway before Labour got in in '97.

As I said, the Tories are inextricably linked to the history of the UK with the Common Market/EEC/EU at its most fundamental moments and The Left much less so. The Left didn't even want to join The Common Market back in the 70's. They wanted protectionism.

stirling, The Treaty of Lisbon gave member states the legal right to leave the EU and the procedure to do so. So would you rather Brown hadn't signed it? That and the Amsterdam Treaty were completing processes that were already well underway before Labour got in in '97.

As I said, the Tories are inextricably linked to the history of the UK with the Common Market/EEC/EU at its most fundamental moments and The Left much less so. The Left didn't even want to join The Common Market back in the 70's. They wanted protectionism.

This shows how little you understand.

First we don't need to replace 300k a year. Second the World birthrate is actually reducing. Currently Europeans are not having enough kids to replace themselves. Despite that, the world population will continue to grow for a couple of centuries at least. We will be better off having total control of borders because the huge rise in population until then will mean a lot of refugees and migrants looking for somewhere to go. Our very survival as a functioning society might depend on it.

I'm of the opinion it would be better to work with others to sort out the rise in refugees and migrants, be it through climate change , famine or conflict; not build walls.