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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.20am
Originally posted by Kermit8 The deregulated market, lack of rent controls and housing policy over the last 35 years has led to an ongoing housing crisis and a situation where even renting an average place for many means saying 'goodbye' to over half their monthly income. That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few. And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale. All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that. You don't think EU uncontrolled mass immigration has anything to do with the housing crisis? In that sense it is the government's doing for being in the EU, low interest rates are also a big factor to blame, but house prices are subject to market forces. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.20am

Originally posted by Kermit8

The deregulated market, lack of rent controls and housing policy over the last 35 years has led to an ongoing housing crisis and a situation where even renting an average place for many means saying 'goodbye' to over half their monthly income.

That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few.

And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale.

All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that.

You don't think EU uncontrolled mass immigration has anything to do with the housing crisis? In that sense it is the government's doing for being in the EU, low interest rates are also a big factor to blame, but house prices are subject to market forces.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.22am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were. Maybe even less so, because she has never had to face the impact of a general election as prime minister. Fortunately for the UK, it has to be agreed at least by parliament. Sadly that won't be a free vote. Please don't edit my posts. I certainly don't think May will act purely in corporate interests (whatever that means). If the electorate feels that their government is not acting in their interests, they can kick them out at the next general election. Of course the electorate have no way of doing the same to unelected EU Commissioners. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.22am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were.

Maybe even less so, because she has never had to face the impact of a general election as prime minister. Fortunately for the UK, it has to be agreed at least by parliament. Sadly that won't be a free vote.

Please don't edit my posts. I certainly don't think May will act purely in corporate interests (whatever that means). If the electorate feels that their government is not acting in their interests, they can kick them out at the next general election. Of course the electorate have no way of doing the same to unelected EU Commissioners.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 11.09am
[Link] More jobs going

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 11.09am

[Link]

More jobs going

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 11.32am
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] More jobs going The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Apr 17 11.32am

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

More jobs going

The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.15pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it. Irresponsible of a european company to move to Europe because we are leaving the EU? Really.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it.

Irresponsible of a european company to move to Europe because we are leaving the EU? Really.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.28pm
It's not often I link to this right wing rag... [Link] Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so. Ever feel you've been cheated? Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.28pm

It's not often I link to this right wing rag...

[Link]

Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so.

Ever feel you've been cheated?

Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Irresponsible of a european company to move to Europe because we are leaving the EU? Really. Yes. Because it threatens public safety and is operationally unnecessary.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Apr 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Irresponsible of a european company to move to Europe because we are leaving the EU? Really.

Yes. Because it threatens public safety and is operationally unnecessary.

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 12.41pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's not often I link to this right wing rag... [Link] Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so. Ever feel you've been cheated? Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm) More misrepresentation of the facts.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Apr 17 12.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's not often I link to this right wing rag...

[Link]

Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so.

Ever feel you've been cheated?

Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm)

More misrepresentation of the facts.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger More misrepresentation of the facts. You say that everytime. Shame you didn't think that about the leave campaign

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 12.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More misrepresentation of the facts.

You say that everytime. Shame you didn't think that about the leave campaign

hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's not often I link to this right wing rag... [Link] Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so. Ever feel you've been cheated? Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm) New Statesman 'right wing rag' LOL. The point is that the UK government could have totally uncontrolled immigration from everywhere if it wants. It could make you, Nick, Chancellor of the Exchequer if it wants. However, it might well face a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons if it did. Even if it didn't, it would eventually face the electorate in a General Election and the UK electorate would judge whether uncontrolled immigration was a good thing, or whether you were doing a good job as Chancellor. While subject to EU dictats from unelected EU Commissioners, the House of Commons and the UK electorate do not have these checks and balances at their disposal. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Apr 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's not often I link to this right wing rag...

[Link]

Why immigration won't be reduced and those who say so.

Ever feel you've been cheated?

Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2017 12.30pm)

New Statesman 'right wing rag' LOL.

The point is that the UK government could have totally uncontrolled immigration from everywhere if it wants. It could make you, Nick, Chancellor of the Exchequer if it wants. However, it might well face a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons if it did. Even if it didn't, it would eventually face the electorate in a General Election and the UK electorate would judge whether uncontrolled immigration was a good thing, or whether you were doing a good job as Chancellor. While subject to EU dictats from unelected EU Commissioners, the House of Commons and the UK electorate do not have these checks and balances at their disposal.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 New Statesman 'right wing rag' LOL. The point is that the UK government could have totally uncontrolled immigration from everywhere if it wants. It could make you, Nick, Chancellor of the Exchequer if it wants. However, it might well face a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons if it did. Even if it didn't, it would eventually face the electorate in a General Election and the UK electorate would judge whether uncontrolled immigration was a good thing, or whether you were doing a good job as Chancellor. While subject to EU dictats from unelected EU Commissioners, the House of Commons and the UK electorate do not have these checks and balances at their disposal. It's about the economy, stupid.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

New Statesman 'right wing rag' LOL.

It's about the economy, stupid.

hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 3.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's about the economy, stupid. Is that your pitch for the Chancellorship? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Apr 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's about the economy, stupid.

Is that your pitch for the Chancellorship?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 3.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You say that everytime. Shame you didn't think that about the leave campaign Naive drivel. Politics is about getting votes. You should know. You spend half your life being Jeremy's bitch.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Apr 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You say that everytime. Shame you didn't think that about the leave campaign

Naive drivel.

Politics is about getting votes. You should know. You spend half your life being Jeremy's bitch.

Nest 06 Apr 17 7.24pm
you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist

Nest

06 Apr 17 7.24pm

you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist

Kermit8 Hevon 06 Apr 17 8.53pm
Originally posted by Nest you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist Unless your best mate is a leper. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Apr 17 8.53pm

Originally posted by Nest

you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist

Unless your best mate is a leper.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Part Time James 06 Apr 17 8.55pm
Originally posted by Nest you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist Kids to these days and apparently it's called "gangsta skin"

Part Time James

06 Apr 17 8.55pm

Originally posted by Nest

you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist

Kids to these days and apparently it's called "gangsta skin"

davenotamonkey 07 Apr 17 11.07am
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] More jobs going Fantastic news. The EU Clinical Trials directive, as enforced by this body, has very severely curtailed clinical trial-led research in this country, with output dropping sharply after the directive was rubber-stamped. This has impacted cancer and HIV research. The next millstone around the neck of biomedical research, due next year, is an EU Regulation: so wouldn't even be rubber-stamped by the Commons, it just passes into law with ZERO debate here. This regulation will be even more restrictive (the EU just love top-down Soviet-style red tape). Our biomedical research industry is huge, but has been throttled (as with a lot of science shoehorned into lobbyist-driven "EU frameworks") by excessive bureaucratic overhead and restrictive constraints not encountered in powerhouses like the US. Moreover, to suggest a regulatory body in existence, purely because of (excessive) EU oversight, would remain in a non-EU country is hilarious. My bet is a vast number of actual (ie useful, and not pen-pushing) jobs in the EMA will move to the Wellcome Trust, Sanger Institute etc. Dropping the excessive over-regulation of research will accelerate bio-funding into the UK, generate more jobs and (hopefully) lead to advances that will combat scourges like AIDS and Parkinson's. I won't be sad to see the EMA go. Edited by Penge Eagle (07 Apr 2017 8.00pm)

davenotamonkey

07 Apr 17 11.07am

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

More jobs going

Fantastic news. The EU Clinical Trials directive, as enforced by this body, has very severely curtailed clinical trial-led research in this country, with output dropping sharply after the directive was rubber-stamped. This has impacted cancer and HIV research. The next millstone around the neck of biomedical research, due next year, is an EU Regulation: so wouldn't even be rubber-stamped by the Commons, it just passes into law with ZERO debate here. This regulation will be even more restrictive (the EU just love top-down Soviet-style red tape).

Our biomedical research industry is huge, but has been throttled (as with a lot of science shoehorned into lobbyist-driven "EU frameworks") by excessive bureaucratic overhead and restrictive constraints not encountered in powerhouses like the US.

Moreover, to suggest a regulatory body in existence, purely because of (excessive) EU oversight, would remain in a non-EU country is hilarious. My bet is a vast number of actual (ie useful, and not pen-pushing) jobs in the EMA will move to the Wellcome Trust, Sanger Institute etc.

Dropping the excessive over-regulation of research will accelerate bio-funding into the UK, generate more jobs and (hopefully) lead to advances that will combat scourges like AIDS and Parkinson's. I won't be sad to see the EMA go.

Edited by Penge Eagle (07 Apr 2017 8.00pm)

Hoof Hearted 07 Apr 17 11.29am
Originally posted by Nest you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist But you can give your boyfriend a nice surprise in bed early in the morning (or so I'm told)

Hoof Hearted 07 Apr 17 11.29am

Originally posted by Nest

you cannot shake hands with a clenched fist

But you can give your boyfriend a nice surprise in bed early in the morning (or so I'm told)

legaleagle 09 Apr 17 1.58pm
Interesting take on the Gibraltar "issue". [Link]

legaleagle

09 Apr 17 1.58pm

Interesting take on the Gibraltar "issue".

[Link]

Stirlingsays 09 Apr 17 2.14pm
I visited Gibraltar on a cruise holiday once....Weird place, I didn't much like it....though I was only there for half a day. I'll be damned if I'd just give it up though. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Apr 17 2.14pm

I visited Gibraltar on a cruise holiday once....Weird place, I didn't much like it....though I was only there for half a day.

I'll be damned if I'd just give it up though.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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