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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Apr 23 3.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly


A blind spot like a big black bag over Wisbech's head and fingers in the ears, shouting "nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you"

He's probably been mistaken for The beast of Bodmin.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Apr 23 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Apparently the evidence isn't thought to be strong enough to indict him and it would be risky to try and prove anything more than a misdemeanor.
In this case the politicisation is said to be coming from the District Attorney, Bragg, whose election was largely based on an anti-Trump platform.

It must not be forgotten that Trump, and his father before him, did a lot of their business in New York and have a history there, much of it unpalatable. It would not therefore be surprising if there was a greater appetite to see Trump bought to book there than, say, in Miami, or indeed in Washington. That's not politics though. That's a local reputation amplified by national exposure, which would be just the same if he positioned himself as a Democrat.

Maybe the indictment won't be proved. If so it would hand Trump a major propaganda victory. So if this is politically motivated it seems an unwise decision to go ahead if indeed it is "risky".

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Apr 23 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can you list some of the books.
How do the situations compare?
What has Al Capone got to do with any of this?
How does Trump act like a mob boss?
Give some examples of Trump terrorising his staff.
Give some examples of Trump not listening to others.
Show where Trump has belittled anyone who criticises him (has he belittled you?)
Who has he sacked for challenging him?
How do you know that he expects complete loyalty to himself?
How do you know that he does not expect loyalty to his country or the law?

Unless you have been asleep for the last decade you will have every bit as much knowledge as I do about all of those things.

I guess you don't read too many books, so perhaps a few of the more salacious bits might be better, try this:-

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If you do want to actually read some though, start with Michael Wolff's "Fire & Fury", then follow up with "Siege: Trump under Fire" and then his last "Landslide: The Final Days of the Trump Presidency". Read them all, and you will get it.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Apr 23 11.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your outrage only ever seems to flow in one direction.

You talk about 'whataboutery' like it's an excuse for anyone, other than the people you oppose, to do what they like.


You have a blind spot.

My “outrage” only flows towards things I both perceive as a threat and which any words from me might make a difference. Trump being a prime example.

Whataboutism gives no one the right to do what they like. It’s just a diversionary tactic used to try to avoid focussing on something the poster doesn’t’ want to face.

I have perfect vision. With my glasses! And I have an appointment with Specsavers this week!

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It must not be forgotten that Trump, and his father before him, did a lot of their business in New York and have a history there, much of it unpalatable. It would not therefore be surprising if there was a greater appetite to see Trump bought to book there than, say, in Miami, or indeed in Washington. That's not politics though. That's a local reputation amplified by national exposure, which would be just the same if he positioned himself as a Democrat.

Maybe the indictment won't be proved. If so it would hand Trump a major propaganda victory. So if this is politically motivated it seems an unwise decision to go ahead if indeed it is "risky".

It seems to be quite a concern that he could be handed a propaganda boost if his indictment can be spun as victimisation. In the scheme of things this does seem a very minor charge to bring against him and would apparently be quite difficult to prove anyway.

 

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly


A blind spot like a big black bag over Wisbech's head and fingers in the ears, shouting "nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you"

It's pretty difficult not to hear the constant chuntering of the disillusioned right on these pages. It's a daily flood of prejudice and backward thinking.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Apr 23 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He's probably been mistaken for The beast of Bodmin.

No chance. Bodmin moor is a wet and windy place at almost all seasons. You won't find me out there. The pubs are nice though.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Apr 23 8.16am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

On what basis? That this wasn't a federal matter but something to be considered at state level?

There were a number of issues that Robert Mueller sent to New York, after he had completed his enquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, because there is no Presidential immunity available for state level indictments.

Deciding where best to bring charges is something that lawyers do all the time. That's not politics. It's deciding where the law is most likely to be effective.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Apr 2023 1.30pm)

Probably a moot point. The theory is that politics and the legal system are totally separate institutions, with no crossover or influence.
Certainly in the US and UK it happens all the time. Who decides the current policing policy, such as " breaking County Lines dealerships", "war on Knife crime" ? Actually the direction comes from Government, especially approaching General Election time.
Who decided against prosecuting Harry Webb or ? or Jimmy Savile?

Actually, plenty of decisions regarding prosecution (or not) and their timings are influenced from outside the legal system.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Unless you have been asleep for the last decade you will have every bit as much knowledge as I do about all of those things.

I guess you don't read too many books, so perhaps a few of the more salacious bits might be better, try this:-

[Link]

If you do want to actually read some though, start with Michael Wolff's "Fire & Fury", then follow up with "Siege: Trump under Fire" and then his last "Landslide: The Final Days of the Trump Presidency". Read them all, and you will get it.

Michael Wolff – seriously!

Even the Guardian criticized Wolff’s book Famous for the way it portrayed controversial celebrities.

Several people have denied quotes published in Fire and Fury.

Reporter David Brooks questioned Wolff's credibility since Wolff has been known to not check his facts. Brooks expressed doubts about Wolff's journalistic methods and conveyed skepticism over the accuracy of Fire and Fury.

Journalist Steven Rattner referred to Wolff as an “unprincipled writer of fiction.”

Alan Dershowitz criticized Wolff's book Siege: Trump Under Fire calling it fiction.

PolitiFact writer Angie Drobnic Holan noted that Fire and Fury contains several factual errors.

Wolff used Sam Nunberg as a source in Fire and Fury and Nunberg has admitted fabricating stories.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's pretty difficult not to hear the constant chuntering of the disillusioned right on these pages. It's a daily flood of prejudice and backward thinking.

From the man who wants to take us back into Europe.

A man who denies that the EU wants to be a one government super state when the primary figurehead representing those wishing a return unashamedly states that his ultimate goal is a world government.

A man who would rather whine about the 'Right Wing' than catch rapists.

A man who thinks it's OK to prosecute former Presidents to undermine the democratic process, when he regularly asserts that the law and democratic process are beyond reproach.

A man who denies the inevitable replacement of the Northern European British in Britain when the population has been reduced by 25% in one lifetime and 6% in the last 10 years alone.


I'd like to raise a toast to backward thinking.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No chance. Bodmin moor is a wet and windy place at almost all seasons. You won't find me out there. The pubs are nice though.

That is the general idea.

 

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Probably a moot point. The theory is that politics and the legal system are totally separate institutions, with no crossover or influence.
Certainly in the US and UK it happens all the time. Who decides the current policing policy, such as " breaking County Lines dealerships", "war on Knife crime" ? Actually the direction comes from Government, especially approaching General Election time.
Who decided against prosecuting Harry Webb or ? or Jimmy Savile?

Actually, plenty of decisions regarding prosecution (or not) and their timings are influenced from outside the legal system.

Sure, governments determine priorities and strategies, whilst the individual decision-making is done locally. Perhaps you could post your reasoning on the grooming gangs thread too? It resonates there as well.

 


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