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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 29 Nov 20 12.03pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

You're blaming our best player (even if he does want to go).

Frankly with the tactics foisted on him, who can blame him?


My interpretation of TP's statement (and, of course, I may be wrong) is that Wilf is so important to us at present that we are unable to make progress without him. Our results without him prove that.
When Wilf plays the plan (and I won't call it Plan A because there is no Plan B etc.) is to give him the ball as much as possible and hope he can weave his magic and get us a goal or create the opportunity for someone else to do so.
When Wilf doesn't play we don't seem to know what to do when it comes to attacking and waste so many promising opportunities through dithering and dallying wondering who to pass to because there's no Wilf.
We need to create a culture and system for when there is no Wilf, but unfortunately, whilst Wilf remains, we seem incapable of doing that. Ergo, Wilf needs to go before it's too late.
As for Roy, his time to go is near BUT I'm not sure we can afford to lose both him and Wilf at the same time.

As an aside, I saw a rumour on the Beeb that Arsenal may want to offload Pepe if they can get enough for him - going for Wilf instead?

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 29 Nov 20 12.14pm

Originally posted by doombear


My interpretation of TP's statement (and, of course, I may be wrong) is that Wilf is so important to us at present that we are unable to make progress without him. Our results without him prove that.
When Wilf plays the plan (and I won't call it Plan A because there is no Plan B etc.) is to give him the ball as much as possible and hope he can weave his magic and get us a goal or create the opportunity for someone else to do so.
When Wilf doesn't play we don't seem to know what to do when it comes to attacking and waste so many promising opportunities through dithering and dallying wondering who to pass to because there's no Wilf.
We need to create a culture and system for when there is no Wilf, but unfortunately, whilst Wilf remains, we seem incapable of doing that. Ergo, Wilf needs to go before it's too late.
As for Roy, his time to go is near BUT I'm not sure we can afford to lose both him and Wilf at the same time.

As an aside, I saw a rumour on the Beeb that Arsenal may want to offload Pepe if they can get enough for him - going for Wilf instead?

Well let’s say Wilf goes and Roy stays we are down. Roy has already shown during his tenure he cannot find a solution for when Wilf does not play. Roy has many supporters for him to continue in his role with the worry of what will happen if he leaves. The biggest threat to us going down is Wilf leaving and Roy staying.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 29 Nov 20 12.26pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Well let’s say Wilf goes and Roy stays we are down. Roy has already shown during his tenure he cannot find a solution for when Wilf does not play. Roy has many supporters for him to continue in his role with the worry of what will happen if he leaves. The biggest threat to us going down is Wilf leaving and Roy staying.


Quite possible that we will go down if Wilf goes. However, if he goes (rather than not playing because he's injured or Covided) then the psychology and dynamic changes. The club would have to devise a new system of play. How successful that would be is anybody's guess, but there is a big difference between Wilf's temporary and permanent absence - both manager and first team squad will have to adapt or 'die' in the case of the latter.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 29 Nov 20 12.28pm

Originally posted by doombear


Quite possible that we will go down if Wilf goes. However, if he goes (rather than not playing because he's injured or Covided) then the psychology and dynamic changes. The club would have to devise a new system of play. How successful that would be is anybody's guess, but there is a big difference between Wilf's temporary and permanent absence - both manager and first team squad will have to adapt or 'die' in the case of the latter.

I agree. We HAVE to find another way. I would be extremely worried if that responsibility fell to Roy next season. Unfortunately I think both these scenarios are very likely.

 

hcjbrooks Flag 29 Nov 20 3.54pm

Watching Palace currently gives we supporters a modicum of pleasure only Can SP make big decisions replacing Zaha who will surely leave the club getting rid of deadwood and aged players with fading talents,RH and RL who are surely now past their sale date ,bringing in youth and a totally different mindset A big ask! I fear the consequences if he does not

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 29 Nov 20 6.01pm

What is the actual value of Zaha at the moment? Whatever it could be would if our club agreed to him leaving be spent on someone to replace him, it's going to be difficult now for Zaha to be placed onto the market for sale because of his age and troublesome temperament, all a bit sad if we think about it because he certainly does deserve and is well good enough for a top six club, this covid virus hasn't helped him either with clubs being more careful about costs, so if he does leave it's not all disaster because we will have an opportunity to replace him with someone with real potential and of course much younger in years, I do not like the criticism aimed at our manager and I find it extremely difficult to sit on my hands and keep quiet, but I wish no other Palace fan any ill because I understand fully their frustrations.

 

woody6013 Flag Bundaberg Queensland 30 Nov 20 2.31am

Cannot understand the lack of work, and quality knowing that 6 points were almost a gift against Burnley & Newcastle based on their own deficiencies, and yet we now find ourselves in a precarious position. Lose to WBA and is all over for 2020/1. It will be another struggle staring Championship Football in the face What happened to pride and doing the job they are handsomely paid for. How can you beat Leeds 4-1 and then become pathetic, in following matches. Even easy passes are embarrassing too short or too fast and long ( on your own pitch for goodness sake) Palace wake up to the fact you have enough good players but without purpose.
Change Roy NOW before its beyond repair, to someone with fire in their body, to take the club forward.
Ive said enough, Im just sick and tired of the same old same old............. Just do it Parish!

 

jeeagles Flag 30 Nov 20 8.51am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

What is the actual value of Zaha at the moment? Whatever it could be would if our club agreed to him leaving be spent on someone to replace him, it's going to be difficult now for Zaha to be placed onto the market for sale because of his age and troublesome temperament, all a bit sad if we think about it because he certainly does deserve and is well good enough for a top six club, this covid virus hasn't helped him either with clubs being more careful about costs, so if he does leave it's not all disaster because we will have an opportunity to replace him with someone with real potential and of course much younger in years, I do not like the criticism aimed at our manager and I find it extremely difficult to sit on my hands and keep quiet, but I wish no other Palace fan any ill because I understand fully their frustrations.

Troublesome temperament.

He's just fed up of being set up to fail every week.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 30 Nov 20 9.11am

Last season Wilf was not great and Roy found a way to win ugly, with a series of insipid 1-0 wins and never scoring more than 2 goals a game. This season Wilf has returned and in a number of games he has inspired us to victory. With Ayew not starting the season well, Bentenke still having no confidence and Batshuayi seemingly unable to stay onside, if Wilf is out for any significant number of games this season we could really struggle based on the last two games. In fairness, you take the best player out of any team outside of the big 6 and they will generally struggle to perform as well. I seem to remember when Vardy was out Leicester couldn't buy a win (until they played us!)

 

Jacey Flag 02 Dec 20 3.02pm

Roy has quite clearly lost is way and in any event,is likely to retire at the end of his contract this season.
Why not thank him for the incredible job in keeping us up over the past few seasons,pay him off and offer the job to this natural winner?'

[Link]

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Dec 20 3.11pm

Originally posted by Jacey

Roy has quite clearly lost is way and in any event,is likely to retire at the end of his contract this season.
Why not thank him for the incredible job in keeping us up over the past few seasons,pay him off and offer the job to this natural winner?'

[Link]

I am sure Mr Pochettino has been pining for the job at CPFC and praying to the good Lord that an offer comes his way.

-.-'

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 02 Dec 20 3.34pm

I might be imagining things, but I'm sure I read a Spurs player saying that the fitness regime was pretty intense so they could play the high press. Can't see Pochettino doing that with this squad, average age 30 plus.
That said, I'd be happy to see Pochettino take over.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Dec 20 3.35pm

Originally posted by Willo

I am sure Mr Pochettino has been pining for the job at CPFC and praying to the good Lord that an offer comes his way.

-.-'

I heard that growing up as a young boy he modelled his game on Billy Gilbert.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Dec 20 3.37pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I might be imagining things, but I'm sure I read a Spurs player saying that the fitness regime was pretty intense so they could play the high press. Can't see Pochettino doing that with this squad, average age 30 plus.
That said, I'd be happy to see Pochettino take over.

With the greatest of respect "No hope and Bob Hope".

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Dec 20 3.42pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I heard that growing up as a young boy he modelled his game on Billy Gilbert.

He stood proud on the old Holmesdale drinking Bovril. Good old Poch.

 


Red and Blue Army!

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Dec 20 3.50pm

Originally posted by Jacey

Roy has quite clearly lost is way and in any event,is likely to retire at the end of his contract this season.
Why not thank him for the incredible job in keeping us up over the past few seasons,pay him off and offer the job to this natural winner?'

[Link]

Won nothing with Spurs - why do you think they sacked him ?

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 02 Dec 20 3.56pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect "No hope and Bob Hope".

Oh I know it's highly unlikely. I'm sticking with Freedman to take over in the New Year :p

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Dec 20 4.19pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Won nothing with Spurs - why do you think they sacked him ?

So, just on the off chance he said yes, would you say no?

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Dec 20 5.05pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So, just on the off chance he said yes, would you say no?

If he said '' yes '' I wouldn't say anything. I'd be speechless !

 


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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Dec 20 5.33pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

If he said '' yes '' I wouldn't say anything. I'd be speechless !

Im more worried Eaglecoops would.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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