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matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 6.03pm
Originally posted by HeathMan Originally posted by 7mins Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising So you confront something by banning it? Thank you for sharing yourself with us. I have read more of your comments. We are all different and special and need others (and ourselves)to share with others. What is banned goes underground - becoming more acceptable to participants?). what remains exposed can be judged and (hopefully?) guidance given regarding what is acceptable. Agree. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 13 Mar 16 6.03pm

Originally posted by HeathMan

Originally posted by 7mins

Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising

So you confront something by banning it?

Thank you for sharing yourself with us. I have read more of your comments. We are all different and special and need others (and ourselves)to share with others. What is banned goes underground - becoming more acceptable to participants?). what remains exposed can be judged and (hopefully?) guidance given regarding what is acceptable.

Agree.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Mar 16 6.49pm
Originally posted by 7mins Yep. As I said, change gays for blacks/muslims... is it still ok? I truth though, its hard to get through any decent gangster rap album without reference to wasting nigga's and pigs. There's people that are into this skank music. Banning it just gives it power. What it needs is people within the music scene responding with new music. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 13 Mar 16 6.49pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Yep.
As I said, change gays for blacks/muslims... is it still ok?

I truth though, its hard to get through any decent gangster rap album without reference to wasting nigga's and pigs. There's people that are into this skank music.

Banning it just gives it power. What it needs is people within the music scene responding with new music.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 6.55pm
Back from footie. I don't mind some dude saying he hates the gays, I do mind it being broadcast in the media... there is a world of difference between a private conversation and songs being marketed and released to make money where the theme of the aforementioned song is killing gays. I will never be comfortable with that, and would like it stopped/censored/banned. I don't mind that level of censorship. I don't want Fast food rockers or Elton John banned, I am NOT comfortable with that level of censorship. I don't believe you should allow hate speech because in my experience, those he say such nasty things are beyond discussing things with in a adult manner.

7mins

In the bush 13 Mar 16 6.55pm

Back from footie.

I don't mind some dude saying he hates the gays, I do mind it being broadcast in the media... there is a world of difference between a private conversation and songs being marketed and released to make money where the theme of the aforementioned song is killing gays.
I will never be comfortable with that, and would like it stopped/censored/banned.

I don't mind that level of censorship. I don't want Fast food rockers or Elton John banned, I am NOT comfortable with that level of censorship. I don't believe you should allow hate speech because in my experience, those he say such nasty things are beyond discussing things with in a adult manner.

-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 13 Mar 16 6.58pm
Originally posted by 7mins Maybe homophobia/racism/sexism was more accepted back then... I'm not sure I wanna go back to those days. You still live in 'those days' and it will never change. It's called human nature. Time to move forward together.

-TUX-

Alphabettispaghetti 13 Mar 16 6.58pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Maybe homophobia/racism/sexism was more accepted back then... I'm not sure I wanna go back to those days.

You still live in 'those days' and it will never change.
It's called human nature.

Time to move forward together.

7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 7.00pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I truth though, its hard to get through any decent gangster rap album without reference to wasting nigga's and pigs. There's people that are into this skank music. Banning it just gives it power. What it needs is people within the music scene responding with new music. You make a good point, and rap music is s***e these days, I still feel singing about killing gays is worse than singing about killing fellow gangstas... suppose it comes down to there being a element of choice in being a gangsta, where as you have no choice if you're gay. I'd ban music that advocates killing cops.

7mins

In the bush 13 Mar 16 7.00pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I truth though, its hard to get through any decent gangster rap album without reference to wasting nigga's and pigs. There's people that are into this skank music.

Banning it just gives it power. What it needs is people within the music scene responding with new music.

You make a good point, and rap music is s***e these days, I still feel singing about killing gays is worse than singing about killing fellow gangstas... suppose it comes down to there being a element of choice in being a gangsta, where as you have no choice if you're gay.
I'd ban music that advocates killing cops.

7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 7.02pm
Originally posted by -TUX- You still live in 'those days' and it will never change. It's called human nature. I disagree... in the 80's it was far worse. There was one mixed race couple on my estate... and it was hell growing up there.

7mins

In the bush 13 Mar 16 7.02pm

Originally posted by -TUX-

You still live in 'those days' and it will never change.
It's called human nature.

I disagree... in the 80's it was far worse. There was one mixed race couple on my estate... and it was hell growing up there.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Mar 16 7.15pm
Originally posted by HeathMan Originally posted by 7mins Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising So you confront something by banning it? Thank you for sharing yourself with us. I have read more of your comments. We are all different and special and need others (and ourselves)to share with others. What is banned goes underground - becoming more acceptable to participants?). what remains exposed can be judged and (hopefully?) guidance given regarding what is acceptable. Always happy to educate. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 13 Mar 16 7.15pm

Originally posted by HeathMan

Originally posted by 7mins

Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising

So you confront something by banning it?

Thank you for sharing yourself with us. I have read more of your comments. We are all different and special and need others (and ourselves)to share with others. What is banned goes underground - becoming more acceptable to participants?). what remains exposed can be judged and (hopefully?) guidance given regarding what is acceptable.

Always happy to educate.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Mr Palaceman 13 Mar 16 11.57pm
Originally posted by 7mins I'm guessing you went as a tourist? Homosexuality is illegal in Jamaica in 2016. I travel a lot for various reasons throughout the Caribbean, The States, Canada among other places but the last time I went to Jamaica was for a holiday. You say that you have been to Jamaice 3 times, were you not a tourist? Or were you forced to go? I suspect you went as a tourist on the 3 occassions you went, maybe to visit family? "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman

13 Mar 16 11.57pm

Originally posted by 7mins

I'm guessing you went as a tourist?
Homosexuality is illegal in Jamaica in 2016.

I travel a lot for various reasons throughout the Caribbean, The States, Canada among other places but the last time I went to Jamaica was for a holiday.

You say that you have been to Jamaice 3 times, were you not a tourist? Or were you forced to go?

I suspect you went as a tourist on the 3 occassions you went, maybe to visit family?

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman 14 Mar 16 7.14am
Originally posted by 7mins You're missing the point of this thread... the thread is discussing people singing about killing gay people. There is no freedom of speech... because society is littered with bellends that think saying gays should be shot and burned is ok, and when the authorities say don't say s*** like that, they then scream censorship I think you are missing the point of the thread. It is not about people singing about killing gay people, it is about a club being told to ban music because the police believe that it is associated with crime. There is only an incidental reference to the lyrical content of some of the songs in the article. One line. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman

14 Mar 16 7.14am

Originally posted by 7mins

You're missing the point of this thread... the thread is discussing people singing about killing gay people.

There is no freedom of speech... because society is littered with bellends that think saying gays should be shot and burned is ok, and when the authorities say don't say s*** like that, they then scream censorship

I think you are missing the point of the thread. It is not about people singing about killing gay people, it is about a club being told to ban music because the police believe that it is associated with crime. There is only an incidental reference to the lyrical content of some of the songs in the article. One line.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

7mins In the bush 14 Mar 16 7.59am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman I think you are missing the point of the thread. It is not about people singing about killing gay people, it is about a club being told to ban music because the police believe that it is associated with crime. There is only an incidental reference to the lyrical content of some of the songs in the article. One line. There is a song called "boom boom burn" It's about shooting and burning gay people.

7mins

In the bush 14 Mar 16 7.59am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

There is a song called "boom boom burn"
It's about shooting and burning gay people.

jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Mar 16 9.29am
Originally posted by -TUX- You still live in 'those days' and it will never change. It's called human nature. Human nature - the old catch all term for something unacceptable, being somehow justified. Its interesting that we always seem to use the term human nature to justify or rationalise the unacceptable. Its a rhetoric nonsense the idea of human nature, because it is essentially a variable. Some people are racist / sexist / homophobes, but its a very long way from being ingrained in human nature - For that it must be present as the norm, in all humans. Nature isn't a flexible concept that defines some people, its something defined by the lack of variation - Instinctual or occurring on the biological level. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 14 Mar 16 9.29am

Originally posted by -TUX-

You still live in 'those days' and it will never change.
It's called human nature.

Human nature - the old catch all term for something unacceptable, being somehow justified. Its interesting that we always seem to use the term human nature to justify or rationalise the unacceptable.

Its a rhetoric nonsense the idea of human nature, because it is essentially a variable. Some people are racist / sexist / homophobes, but its a very long way from being ingrained in human nature - For that it must be present as the norm, in all humans.

Nature isn't a flexible concept that defines some people, its something defined by the lack of variation - Instinctual or occurring on the biological level.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 9.33am
Originally posted by 7mins Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising Phil Lynott seemed to be having loads of fun?

Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 9.33am

Originally posted by 7mins

Having a black dad and Irish mum was not fun in the decades you mention... we evolve and move forwards. All bigotry should be confronted not just the type that sells papers/advertising

Phil Lynott seemed to be having loads of fun?

jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Mar 16 9.37am
Originally posted by 7mins You make a good point, and rap music is s*e these days, I still feel singing about killing gays is worse than singing about killing fellow gangstas... suppose it comes down to there being a element of choice in being a gangsta, where as you have no choice if you're gay. I'd ban music that advocates killing cops. It'll pass. In my experience, people who are so ardently anti-gay that they just can't let it go, are invariably reacting to their own desire to taste cock. Banning it just justifies the 'persecution complex' of the absurdly stupid people. Just the moment someone can be shown to have acted on their inspiration, sue the living st out of their record company. I wouldn't buy their records, or even p1ss on these people if they were on fire, but until they cross the line of acting or inciting other to act, they're on the right side of the law. Sooner or later some of them will be shown to be total hypocrites, and the whole thing will fizzle out. Kind of like how the 'Red Pill Male Supremacy' fktards who took the Matrix as a geek symbol, look rather stupid now that both writers and directors have transgendered. Its like all those White Power bands, ultimately, they're st and appeal to tiny minded people who have st lives, st taste in music, and blame everyone else for their st lives, rather than actually do something to improve their own lives. I'd never really heard of this ste before this post, and my concern is, the more you legislate against something with minor appeal or try to ban it, the more appealing it becomes. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 14 Mar 16 9.37am

Originally posted by 7mins

It'll pass. In my experience, people who are so ardently anti-gay that they just can't let it go, are invariably reacting to their own desire to taste cock.

Banning it just justifies the 'persecution complex' of the absurdly stupid people. Just the moment someone can be shown to have acted on their inspiration, sue the living s**t out of their record company.

I wouldn't buy their records, or even p1ss on these people if they were on fire, but until they cross the line of acting or inciting other to act, they're on the right side of the law. Sooner or later some of them will be shown to be total hypocrites, and the whole thing will fizzle out.

Kind of like how the 'Red Pill Male Supremacy' f**ktards who took the Matrix as a geek symbol, look rather stupid now that both writers and directors have transgendered.

Its like all those White Power bands, ultimately, they're s**t and appeal to tiny minded people who have s**t lives, s**t taste in music, and blame everyone else for their s**t lives, rather than actually do something to improve their own lives.

I'd never really heard of this s**te before this post, and my concern is, the more you legislate against something with minor appeal or try to ban it, the more appealing it becomes.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Mar 16 9.39am
Originally posted by 7mins I'd ban music that advocates killing cops. But Copkiller and F**k da Police are classic tracks. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 14 Mar 16 9.39am

Originally posted by 7mins

I'd ban music that advocates killing cops.

But Copkiller and F**k da Police are classic tracks.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 14 Mar 16 9.53am
I'm surprised that a bar in Croydon is happy to have such openly homophobic songs played. What does that say about the DJ and the club? Would they be happy to play Screwdriver and (I can't think of another openly racist band but I'm sure they are available) songs? Not in favour of censorship of music but self censorship but the club is only common sense. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 14 Mar 16 9.53am

I'm surprised that a bar in Croydon is happy to have such openly homophobic songs played. What does that say about the DJ and the club? Would they be happy to play Screwdriver and (I can't think of another openly racist band but I'm sure they are available) songs?

Not in favour of censorship of music but self censorship but the club is only common sense.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

A89M Streatham 14 Mar 16 9.57am
Originally posted by 7mins There is a song called "boom boom burn" It's about shooting and burning gay people. There’s also a song called ‘Clarks’ about wearing Clarks branded suede shoes. If you trail through every genre of music I’m sure you’ll find homophobic referencing somewhere but to ban a whole genre because of it, is ridiculous. The ban is clearly in place because the police believe that it attracts the wrong clientele – it has nothing to do with generating hate towards gays.

A89M

Streatham 14 Mar 16 9.57am

Originally posted by 7mins

There is a song called "boom boom burn"
It's about shooting and burning gay people.

There’s also a song called ‘Clarks’ about wearing Clarks branded suede shoes.

If you trail through every genre of music I’m sure you’ll find homophobic referencing somewhere but to ban a whole genre because of it, is ridiculous. The ban is clearly in place because the police believe that it attracts the wrong clientele – it has nothing to do with generating hate towards gays.

Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 10.00am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 But Copkiller and F**k da Police are classic tracks. ... and I like that one that goes "666 is the number of da beast.... turn it aroun and you get da police!" Be careful what you wish to be banned!

Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 10.00am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

But Copkiller and F**k da Police are classic tracks.

... and I like that one that goes "666 is the number of da beast.... turn it aroun and you get da police!"

Be careful what you wish to be banned!

jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Mar 16 10.03am
The only good homophobe is a dead homophobe. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 14 Mar 16 10.03am

The only good homophobe is a dead homophobe.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Mar 16 10.07am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The only good homophobe is a dead homophobe. Bender Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 14 Mar 16 10.07am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The only good homophobe is a dead homophobe.

Bender

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

johnfirewall 14 Mar 16 11.57am
A woman left her baby in that bar with a couple of my mates while she went to buy a 'pint of milk'. After returning to collect the baby she struck up conversation with another stranger who she subsequently went home with. This was on a Saturday afternoon while they were showing a dodgy stream of a 3pm game. I like Dancehall music and while I do cringe at some of the lyrics, it's definitely been toned down. A few years ago there was a Drum and Bass remix of a particularly homophobic song, which only had about 3 of the original lyrics and the BBC still banned it. Unless this venue is playing some of the most offensive stuff straight from Kingston and the police have monitored the content then it's unjust to single this out as inciting homophobia. Certain genres have been entirely restricted in recent years over violent content but that was in response to multiple incidents, so unless the police do a better job of justifying such moves and relating them to specific crimes, people are going to attribute it to other agenda.

johnfirewall

14 Mar 16 11.57am

A woman left her baby in that bar with a couple of my mates while she went to buy a 'pint of milk'. After returning to collect the baby she struck up conversation with another stranger who she subsequently went home with. This was on a Saturday afternoon while they were showing a dodgy stream of a 3pm game.

I like Dancehall music and while I do cringe at some of the lyrics, it's definitely been toned down. A few years ago there was a Drum and Bass remix of a particularly homophobic song, which only had about 3 of the original lyrics and the BBC still banned it. Unless this venue is playing some of the most offensive stuff straight from Kingston and the police have monitored the content then it's unjust to single this out as inciting homophobia.

Certain genres have been entirely restricted in recent years over violent content but that was in response to multiple incidents, so unless the police do a better job of justifying such moves and relating them to specific crimes, people are going to attribute it to other agenda.

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