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  Hrolf The Ganger  16 Jul 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I was commenting on your 'theres more of this type of race' point, which was a weak point to make for someone so set on accurate retelling - to which my reasoning makes perfect sense. Your other point, is essentially that social engineering for movie and tv roles is fine, or at least a reality, for some reasons - commercial - but not for others. If you want to go down that road though, it may occur to you that what type of on screen social engineering is most profitable at any given moment in time, may not always align well with the quotas or rules that you appear to hold for who is fit to play what role. How so? Why would there be loads of nonwhite actors in a country with a minority of non whites and where film studios cast mostly whites? That is becoming less of a problem as time goes on but it is hardly a 'weak point' It's just a reality.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
I agree there are some characteristics that have occurred across all bonds, the suave cool calculated and brilliant man with unbelievable game with the ladies. But the Darker bond of the books the actual personality of the man who is a heavy drinker and smoker and has some very rough edges was completely lost for most of the films after Connery. Roger Moore bears very little resemblance in my eyes and it's almost farcical, fun movies but not really the bond of the books. Dalton was a great bond but probably a little ahead of his times. Brosnan was pretty bland. Fun for the movies but lacked depth. I really like the Craig bond. Casino royal and Skyfall in particular were great iterations. His drinking habits are a damaging coping mechanism and the rage bubbling beneath the surface of this cool exterior were really well played out by Craig. Point is, I don't think being black or white would change a whole lot as long as the bond and the script are well written and the actor does it justice. You make some good points. I think Moore was ok for three films...looked the part and had charm... but he stayed way too long...as a contrast from Connery it was ok for a bit but the 'jokey' Bond went on too long. Dalton is my bird's favourite Bond.... Not mine but I know what you mean...The actor was right but the productions weren't up to it. Brosnan....ok....but his voice always seemed a bit weedy for me. Craig does kind of nail it, improving and updating on Connery. Again...He should give way now....Not only is he too old but he keeps slagging off the character of Bond. If you don't like him don't play him....Bond is modern machismo.....it's play acting a licensed killer, not a study in how to treat people. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2017 9.09pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jul 17 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Sadly, I don't disagree. Moffats gorn. The current assistant is lesbian. I can't see it happening. Eccleston is the best out of all the recent doctors.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Moffats gorn. The current assistant is lesbian. I can't see it happening. Eccleston is the best out of all the recent doctors. We actually agree on something.
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| wordup 16 Jul 17 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How so? Why would there be loads of nonwhite actors in a country with a minority of non whites and where film studios cast mostly whites? That is becoming less of a problem as time goes on but it is hardly a 'weak point' It's just a reality. There are many talented black British actors doing well in the UK and US too for that matter. There does appear to be a perception that it's easier to get work in the US, though I'd put that down to a class issue more than race related. Edited by wordup (16 Jul 2017 9.22pm)
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
There are many talented black British actors doing well in the UK and US too for that matter. There does appear to be a perception that it's easier to get work in the US, though I'd put that down to a class issue more than race related. Edited by wordup (16 Jul 2017 9.22pm) We do have talent....Shame we don't have the same talent in writing.....America put us to shame on that.
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europalace  Europe 17 Jul 17 1.34am |
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Originally posted by Dave58
The PC BBC. It's what we should of expected. I also switched off years ago. but you still have to pay your license, so what the hell do they care what you do.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 4.46am |
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Predictable thread is predictable. Its an average franchisee rules series with little innovation that trots out entertainment by the numbers to a selected profitable demographic.
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 Jul 17 6.07am |
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If it pIsses off the regressives then it is a wonderful bit of casting.
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Jul 17 6.26am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Very much agree
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| mrmojorising croydon 17 Jul 17 9.20am |
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The whole show will be in the tardis because she won't come out till she has decided what to wear
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johnno42000  17 Jul 17 9.28am |
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Danny Dyer to be the new Mary Poppins. Equality Rules!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 9.31am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I find it more amusing than anything else. Something to mock. But this sh1t is being served up for our kids. In truth, a series written by wimps attempting social engineering for children is fine.....It hits a demographic out there...That's ok.....What bothers me is where's the alternatives? As it's public money funding this where's the series with traditional masculine and feminine characters? Why do we get this one trick pony of progressivism from the entertainment industry......I wouldn't even notice but having two small youngsters now I'm starting to notice this stuff. There's a reason Game of Thrones is successful. All I see is this sea of beta males trying so desperately to be feminists that they might as well have falsettos and high heels and be done with it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2017 7.29pm) Which massively subverts Masculine roles and stereotypes, notably by creating strong female characters. Of course GoT is for adults, and Dr Who is for children (and adults who probably should know better). But I see nothing wrong with giving girl fans of Dr Who (which there are a lot) a strong female role model yadayada. Notably of course Dr Who is not a traditional masculine role model, and never has been, and subverts the stereotype of male heroes (relying on intelligence, cunning and wit to win, rather than strength and power roles).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 9.32am |
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Also Missy might be the most interesting character Dr Who has had for a long time (I'm not a fan, but my wife is, so I do catch bits here and there).
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| johnno42000 17 Jul 17 9.51am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Also Missy might be the most interesting character Dr Who has had for a long time (I'm not a fan, but my wife is, so I do catch bits here and there). I don't agree with the new Doctor IF she has just got the job because she is a woman. To me that is just as sexist as a man getting the job just because he is a man. However if she got it as she was the best candidate, good on her. Missy is possibly my favourite character and I hope she comes back.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 17 Jul 17 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Is this a thing? An attempt to give the 'progressives' their latest social engineering hard on? Next up it's trans James Bond drinking socially responsible coffee.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 17 Jul 17 9.56am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Danny Dyer to be the new Mary Poppins. Equality Rules! Mary Poppins would be far more cocker-knee then Bert the Chimney Sweep!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 9.59am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
I don't agree with the new Doctor IF she has just got the job because she is a woman. To me that is just as sexist as a man getting the job just because he is a man. However if she got it as she was the best candidate, good on her. Missy is possibly my favourite character and I hope she comes back. But it would be ok if someone got the job because they were a man because it was originally a man. I'm up for takes on re-takes classic characters, having seen just how successful its been in comic books over the years (just about everything revolutionary in comic books stemmed from reinvention, from Sandman to Batman).
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