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sprites Auckland 01 May 19 3.38am
Originally posted by Tickled pink Meyer has been a disaster. That's unfair. Jach, rakip...they were disasters. Meyer has contributed...just not as much as we all hoped for just yet, given his huge (and unfair) expectations. He may be incredible next season - that's the way isn't it?

sprites

Auckland 01 May 19 3.38am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Meyer has been a disaster.

That's unfair. Jach, rakip...they were disasters. Meyer has contributed...just not as much as we all hoped for just yet, given his huge (and unfair) expectations.

He may be incredible next season - that's the way isn't it?

JohnB 01 May 19 7.18am
Originally posted by Painter Basically the amortisation of our current contracts with players is being written down each year. The spending spree we had under Pardew and Allardyce, pushed us nearly in breach of FFP, spending more than you earn in simple terms. It gets reset each year in line with your revenue and amortised contracts and wages. As we have been prudent in the last 18 months purchases and got rid of some peripheral players, we are no longer near the FFP limit. This is a simple overlook of a very complex set of rules. I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. FFP is in two parts. Part 1 is Profit and sustainability. A club, if the owners put no money into the club, can make a loss of no more than £15m over 3 years. The owners are allowed to fund the club over the 3 year period to allow a club to make a loss of no more than £105m over the 3 year period, so in essence the owners can pump in a maximum of £90m over 3 years. We have no issues with this. Part 2 is where we struggle massively. Short Term Cost Control Essentially the club is restricted to an increase of £7m per year in wages. So if the wages this year were £70m then they can be £77m next year. Yes we have got rid of a few fringe players like Puncheon etc. but £7m is only £134k a week. When you factor in pay rises for say AWB, losing a few players doesn't make a huge difference. We would need to get rid of a Benteke or someone on his salary level to make a bug difference. I think the club could spend money on transfers if it wanted, but the issue is getting enough players off the wage bill to allow us to sign those players. Having said that, the rules are if you breach STCC then you pay a fine which is a percentage of the overspend. So if we wanted to go for it and take a hit on a fine we could but obviously long term that's not a great idea.

JohnB

01 May 19 7.18am

Originally posted by Painter

Basically the amortisation of our current contracts with players is being written down each year. The spending spree we had under Pardew and Allardyce, pushed us nearly in breach of FFP, spending more than you earn in simple terms.
It gets reset each year in line with your revenue and amortised contracts and wages. As we have been prudent in the last 18 months purchases and got rid of some peripheral players, we are no longer near the FFP limit.
This is a simple overlook of a very complex set of rules.

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.

FFP is in two parts.

Part 1 is Profit and sustainability.

A club, if the owners put no money into the club, can make a loss of no more than £15m over 3 years. The owners are allowed to fund the club over the 3 year period to allow a club to make a loss of no more than £105m over the 3 year period, so in essence the owners can pump in a maximum of £90m over 3 years.

We have no issues with this.

Part 2 is where we struggle massively.

Short Term Cost Control

Essentially the club is restricted to an increase of £7m per year in wages. So if the wages this year were £70m then they can be £77m next year.

Yes we have got rid of a few fringe players like Puncheon etc. but £7m is only £134k a week.

When you factor in pay rises for say AWB, losing a few players doesn't make a huge difference. We would need to get rid of a Benteke or someone on his salary level to make a bug difference.

I think the club could spend money on transfers if it wanted, but the issue is getting enough players off the wage bill to allow us to sign those players. Having said that, the rules are if you breach STCC then you pay a fine which is a percentage of the overspend. So if we wanted to go for it and take a hit on a fine we could but obviously long term that's not a great idea.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 01 May 19 8.09am
I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 01 May 19 8.09am

I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 19 8.47am
Originally posted by sprites None of those are dudes. I didn’t say PVA was. He hit the ground running early. He’s in very bad form though. Schlupp is very poor value for money at a total of £14+ million, plus wages. He’s not even a jack of all trades. A trier and a decent pro, but this was not good business at all. Meyer. Yes, maybe he might come good next season, and I defended him for months, but it’s very clear that Parish signed him seeing as Roy doesn’t rate him. However, Sorloth was, and that’s concerning too. Dud? Maybe not if playing elsewhere in Europe. Bad business again? The likelihood is that it is. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 May 19 8.47am

Originally posted by sprites

None of those are dudes.

I didn’t say PVA was. He hit the ground running early. He’s in very bad form though.

Schlupp is very poor value for money at a total of £14+ million, plus wages. He’s not even a jack of all trades. A trier and a decent pro, but this was not good business at all.

Meyer. Yes, maybe he might come good next season, and I defended him for months, but it’s very clear that Parish signed him seeing as Roy doesn’t rate him. However, Sorloth was, and that’s concerning too. Dud? Maybe not if playing elsewhere in Europe. Bad business again? The likelihood is that it is.

COYP

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 19 8.49am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this. Fraser was bought from Aberdeen for £400,000 so he wasn't purchased from a club in the lower leagues in England.Been a brilliant acquisition - only 5ft 4ins and known as the "Wee man" at the club. Add to the list Chris Mepham whom Bournemouth bought from Brentford for £12 Mill and I understand they are casting eyes in the direction of WBA defender Dara O'Shea who has been on loan at Exeter.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 19 8.49am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this.

Fraser was bought from Aberdeen for £400,000 so he wasn't purchased from a club in the lower leagues in England.Been a brilliant acquisition - only 5ft 4ins and known as the "Wee man" at the club.

Add to the list Chris Mepham whom Bournemouth bought from Brentford for £12 Mill and I understand they are casting eyes in the direction of WBA defender Dara O'Shea who has been on loan at Exeter.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 19 8.52am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this. We don’t anymore. We were having a flick through the sticker album for several seasons and now we just buy who a club wants to sell, regardless if he fits our requirements or if the manager wants him or possibly even knows Parish thinks it’s a good business deal. Dougie Freedman is supposed to be our DOF as well, but then again, we had Peter Taylor as manager and his experience with the English youth at the time. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 May 19 8.52am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

We don’t anymore. We were having a flick through the sticker album for several seasons and now we just buy who a club wants to sell, regardless if he fits our requirements or if the manager wants him or possibly even knows Parish thinks it’s a good business deal.

Dougie Freedman is supposed to be our DOF as well, but then again, we had Peter Taylor as manager and his experience with the English youth at the time.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 19 8.55am
Originally posted by Willo Fraser was bought from Aberdeen for £400,000 so he wasn't purchased from a club in the lower leagues in England. Been a brilliant acquisition - only 5ft 4ins and known as the "Wee man" at the club. Add to the list Chris Mepham whom Bournemouth bought from Brentford for £12 Mill and I understand they are casting eyes in the direction of WBA defender Dara O'Shea who has been on loan at Exeter. Slight technicality there then because I see the SPL as a lower league and getting the signing to succeed in the Prem is as uncertain as a championship player, often more so. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 May 19 8.55am

Originally posted by Willo

Fraser was bought from Aberdeen for £400,000 so he wasn't purchased from a club in the lower leagues in England. Been a brilliant acquisition - only 5ft 4ins and known as the "Wee man" at the club.

Add to the list Chris Mepham whom Bournemouth bought from Brentford for £12 Mill and I understand they are casting eyes in the direction of WBA defender Dara O'Shea who has been on loan at Exeter.

Slight technicality there then because I see the SPL as a lower league and getting the signing to succeed in the Prem is as uncertain as a championship player, often more so.

COYP

stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 01 May 19 9.34am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Slight technicality there then because I see the SPL as a lower league and getting the signing to succeed in the Prem is as uncertain as a championship player, often more so. Goodwillie anyone?

stuckinbristol

In the woodwork. 01 May 19 9.34am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Slight technicality there then because I see the SPL as a lower league and getting the signing to succeed in the Prem is as uncertain as a championship player, often more so.

Goodwillie anyone?

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 19 9.43am
Originally posted by stuckinbristol Goodwillie anyone? I recommend Brighton’s North Stand Chat for the answer you’re after. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 May 19 9.43am

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Goodwillie anyone?

I recommend Brighton’s North Stand Chat for the answer you’re after.

COYP

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 01 May 19 9.58am
Dann, Ward, Mcarthur and Hennessey the last players from the lower leagues, must be 4/5 years “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 01 May 19 9.58am

Dann, Ward, Mcarthur and Hennessey the last players from the lower leagues, must be 4/5 years

Dean_CPFC South london 01 May 19 10.22am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this. I'd agree with this, would also much rather have a lower league player looking to prove themselves than a premier League superstar going through the motions on 130k a week

Dean_CPFC

South london 01 May 19 10.22am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I'd agree with this, would also much rather have a lower league player looking to prove themselves than a premier League superstar going through the motions on 130k a week

JohnB 01 May 19 10.53am
Originally posted by Dean_CPFC I'd agree with this, would also much rather have a lower league player looking to prove themselves than a premier League superstar going through the motions on 130k a week There are a lot of good young players in the lower leagues too. Would love to see us take a gamble on any of Dru Yearwood, Andre Dozzell, Morgan Rogers, Rekeem Harper, Marcus Tavernier, Jack Clarke, Dan James and Matt O'Reilly.

JohnB

01 May 19 10.53am

Originally posted by Dean_CPFC

I'd agree with this, would also much rather have a lower league player looking to prove themselves than a premier League superstar going through the motions on 130k a week

There are a lot of good young players in the lower leagues too. Would love to see us take a gamble on any of Dru Yearwood, Andre Dozzell, Morgan Rogers, Rekeem Harper, Marcus Tavernier, Jack Clarke, Dan James and Matt O'Reilly.

KAOS In a tree 01 May 19 12.10pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think our main problem is the terrible scouting record for buying from the lower leagues, If you look at Bournemouth, Wilson, King, Fraser and Brooks all bought from the lower leagues over the last 4 years at a cost of under 14million for the lot, and reasonably low wages, we should learn from this. Yep, agree. All of these would walk into our side. Brooks is a class act ...

KAOS

In a tree 01 May 19 12.10pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yep, agree. All of these would walk into our side. Brooks is a class act ...

rollercoaster Cornwall 01 May 19 1.49pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Dann, Ward, Mcarthur and Hennessey the last players from the lower leagues, must be 4/5 years All four players played in the premier league before signing for Palace, just happens the teams they played for when we recruited were in lower leagues.

rollercoaster

Cornwall 01 May 19 1.49pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Dann, Ward, Mcarthur and Hennessey the last players from the lower leagues, must be 4/5 years

All four players played in the premier league before signing for Palace, just happens the teams they played for when we recruited were in lower leagues.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 01 May 19 1.59pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster All four players played in the premier league before signing for Palace, just happens the teams they played for when we recruited were in lower leagues. Yes, but a good policy picking the bones of relegated teams, better than spending 55million on Benteke and Sakho “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 01 May 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

All four players played in the premier league before signing for Palace, just happens the teams they played for when we recruited were in lower leagues.

Yes, but a good policy picking the bones of relegated teams, better than spending 55million on Benteke and Sakho

Den1923 01 May 19 5.07pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC This is unfair. He isn't lazy, and exhibits football intelligence in his movement when deployed properly. It's not his fault that as a head on a stick we neither have players able to deliver balls into the box nor a manager willing to set the team up to play to his strengths. I expect a savvy manager will come in for him and we'll end up with egg on our faces . We have to agree to disagree, even Klopp could not make him work and I guess he would be classed as savvy!, as far CB is concerned, his record speaks for him, his has little or no ground skills, has lost any ability to sniff out goals, can't run, can't work defenders to open spaces for others, certainly can't take a penalty kick or pass the ball, what a waste of 27mil!

Den1923

01 May 19 5.07pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

This is unfair. He isn't lazy, and exhibits football intelligence in his movement when deployed properly.

It's not his fault that as a head on a stick we neither have players able to deliver balls into the box nor a manager willing to set the team up to play to his strengths.

I expect a savvy manager will come in for him and we'll end up with egg on our faces .

We have to agree to disagree, even Klopp could not make him work and I guess he would be classed as savvy!, as far CB is concerned, his record speaks for him, his has little or no ground skills, has lost any ability to sniff out goals, can't run, can't work defenders to open spaces for others, certainly can't take a penalty kick or pass the ball, what a waste of 27mil!

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