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YT Oxford 06 Oct 19 7.11pm
Originally posted by PZ Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'VAR so far...' by bexleydave On MoTD last night analysis seemed to suggest Mane dived for Pools winning penalty. No VAR decision which also suggests big clubs at home still will get away with the close calls. It was blatant cheating in my opinion. A little bit of contact - two players coming together (if you'll pardon the potential innuendo) with no adverse outcome, then Mane throws himself to the floor like a small bird that's been shot by a French villager. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 06 Oct 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

This post has been merged from a topic called 'VAR so far...' by bexleydave

On MoTD last night analysis seemed to suggest Mane dived for Pools winning penalty. No VAR decision which also suggests big clubs at home still will get away with the close calls.

It was blatant cheating in my opinion. A little bit of contact - two players coming together (if you'll pardon the potential innuendo) with no adverse outcome, then Mane throws himself to the floor like a small bird that's been shot by a French villager.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Tickled pink Cornwall 06 Oct 19 7.29pm
Originally posted by YT It was blatant cheating in my opinion. A little bit of contact - two players coming together (if you'll pardon the potential innuendo) with no adverse outcome, then Mane throws himself to the floor like a small bird that's been shot by a French villager. Yes, with a foot to fall over that's exactly what he did and on the radio it sounded like Albrighton had totally cocked it up but he clearly didn't.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 06 Oct 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by YT

Yes, with a foot to fall over that's exactly what he did and on the radio it sounded like Albrighton had totally cocked it up but he clearly didn't.

thai-eagle chiang mai 07 Oct 19 8.59am
Originally posted by steeleye20 No penalty, football cannot be free of contact. The player clearly dived and should have been red-carded. Just when I was getting happier with VAR. The ref gave it under Anfield home team pressure, thought VAR would have seen the end of that. Plenty of work to do. Liverpool deserves top spot, but shame they have divers like Mane (blatant against Leicester) and Salah in their team.

thai-eagle

chiang mai 07 Oct 19 8.59am

Originally posted by steeleye20

No penalty, football cannot be free of contact.

The player clearly dived and should have been red-carded.

Just when I was getting happier with VAR.

The ref gave it under Anfield home team pressure, thought VAR would have seen the end of that.

Plenty of work to do.

Liverpool deserves top spot, but shame they have divers like Mane (blatant against Leicester) and Salah in their team.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 19 9.45am
Originally posted by Tickled pink Yes, with a foot to fall over that's exactly what he did and on the radio it sounded like Albrighton had totally cocked it up but he clearly didn't. Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 19 9.45am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Yes, with a foot to fall over that's exactly what he did and on the radio it sounded like Albrighton had totally cocked it up but he clearly didn't.

Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes.

EddieMac 07 Oct 19 10.05am
Originally posted by Willo Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes. It was a foul followed by a dive but more of a dive. As there wasn’t enough contact in the fouls to make him fall. Mane was no different to any other attacking player in the league going down easily. Including Wilf. They all do it.

EddieMac

07 Oct 19 10.05am

Originally posted by Willo

Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes.

It was a foul followed by a dive but more of a dive. As there wasn’t enough contact in the fouls to make him fall. Mane was no different to any other attacking player in the league going down easily. Including Wilf. They all do it.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 19 10.12am
Originally posted by EddieMac It was a foul followed by a dive but more of a dive. As there wasn’t enough contact in the fouls to make him fall. Mane was no different to any other attacking player in the league going down easily. Including Wilf. They all do it. You brought Zaha into the debate. I happen to believe that if Zaha was Mane,in terms of that incident, and a penalty had not been awarded there would be a degree of furore amongst our supporters. Different opinions on HOL but this all adds to the rich tapestry of discussion on this cherished site.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 19 10.12am

Originally posted by EddieMac

You brought Zaha into the debate.
I happen to believe that if Zaha was Mane,in terms of that incident, and a penalty had not been awarded there would be a degree of furore amongst our supporters.

Different opinions on HOL but this all adds to the rich tapestry of discussion on this cherished site.

EddieMac 07 Oct 19 12.24pm
Originally posted by Willo You brought Zaha into the debate. I happen to believe that if Zaha was Mane,in terms of that incident, and a penalty had not been awarded there would be a degree of furore amongst our supporters. Different opinions on HOL but this all adds to the rich tapestry of discussion on this cherished site. Definitely, It is one of those incidents that will always divide people. It is one of those incidents that you won’t complain if it goes for you.

EddieMac

07 Oct 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by Willo

You brought Zaha into the debate.
I happen to believe that if Zaha was Mane,in terms of that incident, and a penalty had not been awarded there would be a degree of furore amongst our supporters.

Different opinions on HOL but this all adds to the rich tapestry of discussion on this cherished site.

Definitely, It is one of those incidents that will always divide people. It is one of those incidents that you won’t complain if it goes for you.

babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 07 Oct 19 1.53pm
As far as CPFC are concerned .... SO VAR SO GOOD !

babylonjohn

St Leonards-on-Sea 07 Oct 19 1.53pm

As far as CPFC are concerned .... SO VAR SO GOOD !

peterg Anerley 07 Oct 19 4.14pm
Bangell wrote: Given this and the fact that the system takes so long and drains so much energy from the game and the stands, I'm sure there will be a re-think of how it's implemented next season. VAR is obviously an important step forward, after all the major reffing mistakes that were not corrected. I feel that it's in the same state as the first season of umpiring reviews in cricket, where there were some clear problems which were sorted during the close season. There are always marginal calls and decisions in most sports and it's the very tight ones which take the time, as with our winner yesterday. I think it's the most significant VAR call in any of our matches so far, and am just relieved it came out right for us. The right place at the right time

peterg

Anerley 07 Oct 19 4.14pm

Bangell wrote: Given this and the fact that the system takes so long and drains so much energy from the game and the stands, I'm sure there will be a re-think of how it's implemented next season.

VAR is obviously an important step forward, after all the major reffing mistakes that were not corrected. I feel that it's in the same state as the first season of umpiring reviews in cricket, where there were some clear problems which were sorted during the close season. There are always marginal calls and decisions in most sports and it's the very tight ones which take the time, as with our winner yesterday. I think it's the most significant VAR call in any of our matches so far, and am just relieved it came out right for us.

The right place at the right time

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 07 Oct 19 4.23pm
Does anybody know or keeping track our VAR decisions either for or against? Edited by eagleman13 (07 Oct 2019 4.24pm) This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 07 Oct 19 4.23pm

Does anybody know or keeping track our VAR decisions either for or against?

Edited by eagleman13 (07 Oct 2019 4.24pm)

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 19 6.57pm
It's worked for us this season and long may that continue. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 19 6.57pm

It's worked for us this season and long may that continue.

Red and Blue Army!

Tickled pink Cornwall 07 Oct 19 7.20pm
Originally posted by Willo Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes. Fair point, but I rather suspect Albrightons foot didn't move as much as Manes ..also because of how he had played immediately before the incident he would have had his head in his hands for that alone lol.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 07 Oct 19 7.20pm

Originally posted by Willo

Albrighton slumped down with his head in his hands, he never appealed against the penalty decision so perhaps this speaks volumes.

Fair point, but I rather suspect Albrightons foot didn't move as much as Manes ..also because of how he had played immediately before the incident he would have had his head in his hands for that alone lol.

Tickled pink Cornwall 07 Oct 19 7.26pm
Originally posted by peterg Bangell wrote: Given this and the fact that the system takes so long and drains so much energy from the game and the stands, I'm sure there will be a re-think of how it's implemented next season. VAR is obviously an important step forward, after all the major reffing mistakes that were not corrected. I feel that it's in the same state as the first season of umpiring reviews in cricket, where there were some clear problems which were sorted during the close season. There are always marginal calls and decisions in most sports and it's the very tight ones which take the time, as with our winner yesterday. I think it's the most significant VAR call in any of our matches so far, and am just relieved it came out right for us. I think it's exciting waiting for the decision it'll soon become part of the game and will become quicker, everyone wants the right outcome. Eventually linesmen will not have the job of deciding offside, it'll all be computerised.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 07 Oct 19 7.26pm

Originally posted by peterg

Bangell wrote: Given this and the fact that the system takes so long and drains so much energy from the game and the stands, I'm sure there will be a re-think of how it's implemented next season.

I think it's exciting waiting for the decision it'll soon become part of the game and will become quicker, everyone wants the right outcome. Eventually linesmen will not have the job of deciding offside, it'll all be computerised.

pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 08 Oct 19 12.43pm
VAR has been good for us so far but we will have decisions go against us at some point.

pompeyeagle

Relocated to Shropshire 08 Oct 19 12.43pm

VAR has been good for us so far but we will have decisions go against us at some point.

pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 08 Oct 19 12.45pm
It’s what everyone wanted, wrong refereeing decisions being corrected. If it means having to wait a little while while they review it then surely it’s worth it. Look how long it takes to review an LBW in cricket.

pompeyeagle

Relocated to Shropshire 08 Oct 19 12.45pm

It’s what everyone wanted, wrong refereeing decisions being corrected. If it means having to wait a little while while they review it then surely it’s worth it. Look how long it takes to review an LBW in cricket.

Aquilachrysaetos Hailsham 08 Oct 19 4.00pm
Perhaps it should be renamed VAL (Assistant Virtual Linesman). Almost all the decisions overturned by VAR in the Premier League this season have been due to close call offside decisions rather than changing the verdict of the referee.

Aquilachrysaetos

Hailsham 08 Oct 19 4.00pm

Perhaps it should be renamed VAL (Assistant Virtual Linesman). Almost all the decisions overturned by VAR in the Premier League this season have been due to close call offside decisions rather than changing the verdict of the referee.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Oct 19 5.00pm
Originally posted by Aquilachrysaetos Perhaps it should be renamed VAL (Assistant Virtual Linesman). Almost all the decisions overturned by VAR in the Premier League this season have been due to close call offside decisions rather than changing the verdict of the referee. You have made a valid point. In terms of "Close offside decisions" I have had a view propounded that there should certain parameters in play to rule out very marginal decisions for incidents which could not possibly be seen by the naked eye. In cricket if an umpire does not award an LBW,his decision can stand even if ball tracking deems the ball would have hit the stumps but only just clipped them ie a certain % of the ball would have to hit the stumps for the decision to be over-turned.But of course this can open up a further debate apropos introducing such parameters into the VAR arena.Well done to VAR on Saturday !!!!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Oct 19 5.00pm

Originally posted by Aquilachrysaetos

You have made a valid point.

In terms of "Close offside decisions" I have had a view
propounded that there should certain parameters in play to rule out very marginal decisions for incidents which could not possibly be seen by the naked eye. In cricket if an umpire does not award an LBW,his decision can stand even if ball tracking deems the ball would have hit the stumps but only just clipped them ie a certain % of the ball would have to hit the stumps for the decision to be over-turned.But of course this can open up a further debate apropos introducing such parameters into the VAR arena.Well done to VAR on Saturday !!!!

Invalid user 2019 08 Oct 19 5.29pm
It's been a mixed bag so far I'd say. Not the complete disaster that I anticipated and quite good for us so far.

Invalid user 2019

08 Oct 19 5.29pm

It's been a mixed bag so far I'd say. Not the complete disaster that I anticipated and quite good for us so far.

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