I don't see that PV has '' lost '' the dressing room.

What I do see is an unbalanced squad of players, several of them who are triers but way past their best, combined with some promising younger players that are desperately in need of some on field leadership.

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I’m not sure it’s a case of Vieira having lost the dressing room.
I occasionally read footballer autobiographies and a common theme seems to be that players who are continually overlooked by managers are understandably unhappy and may spread some poison, there are manager’s favourites (often nicknamed ‘son of the manager’) and those players who are indifferent to who the manager is.

As many have observed on this site we played our best football under Vieira when he was able to field a midfield containing Gallagher , McArthur and Kouyate.
That was a midfield full of energy and zest which meant that we were competitive in every game .
We no longer have this option and I can’t understand why Vieira has continued with his 433 approach when we clearly don’t have these type of players in the squad.
He has on occasions used Olise, Eze and Doucoure in midfield which must be the least competitive midfield in the Premier League.
It will work and be pleasing on the eye on occasions but is destined not to get results as opposition runs won’t be tracked, second balls won’t be won and there will be a lack of the necessary sheer physical intensity .
Vieira was a fantastic player over a long career winning most things and like many on here I can’t understand why he persists with square pegs in round holes.
In the absence of decent midfield options (which I don’t think Vieira can be held responsible for) in my view it would be sensible to play some combination of 442/451 so at least we had the numbers in midfield to compete.
You could even make an argument for 352 if we had proper wing backs which I don’t believe we have.

I was merely highlighting the fact that a number of players are in the twilight of their careers in response to a comment about a "Young team".

With the greatest of respect the players you highlighted are in their 30s.You omitted Milivojevic who is also in his 30s as is Tomkins.

I accept the argument of an amalgam between experience and youth.
My sentiments were merely in response to comments about a "Young team", my words were not laced with any criticism.

Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2023 1.06pm)

Then you mention players in the squad, we have a pretty young team. Eduoard, olise, eze, doucoure, Mitchell, guehi, andersen, 7 outfield players who would start most games even mateta is young.

If we are going to sack the manager every time we have a bad spell we will go through about 6 managers a season.

Of course there are young players in the team but based on my interpretation of the comments made by a member, I highlighted the fact that we have quite a number of players in their 30s and in the twilight of their careers.

For avoidance of doubt I repeat that at this juncture I see no justification in calling time on PVs tenure at our club.