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 Stirlingsays  04 Sep 23 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You do realise that your right to racially abuse others or otherwise is the very definition of total free speech. Rather obviously your right to free speech does not mean you can shout whatever you like with no consequence, however. If you're saying people should be able to behave however they like without consequence, then you're an idiot. And rather obviously, no, not all abuse is equal. Why? Choice vs. Permanence. Abusing someone for wearing a s*** fancy dress outfit is not the same as abusing someone because they are disabled, or disfigured, or have certain features that they were born with. Edited by SW19 CPFC (04 Sep 2023 5.11pm) Libel and threat to violence were the level set in this country for hundreds of years. That system enabled free speech to exist within the most successful system in the world. I think the people who devised that were far from idiots. Our current system though....
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 23 8.19pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Don't be so silly. As for the facts; sure the full facts obviously aren't known because there's a police investigation. However two irrefutable facts are that CPFC: 1. is "incredibly disappointed that this incident took place" and 2. has offered its "sincere apologies and support to the Wolves player involved" Sure.....maybe this guy is a complete plonker deserving of all this fuss or maybe not. However as all modern football clubs are woke and make mountains out of molehills as they are terrified of upsetting their overpaid footballers I tend towards doubting their pronouncements on incidents like these. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 8.56pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 04 Sep 23 8.34pm |
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I recall many years ago the racist abuse hurled at visiting black players but when Hilaire did something special - and he was usually several shades darker than the players abused - it was Well done Vince and a cue for that song. Says as much about the intelligence of those fans than anything else.
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| silvertop Portishead 04 Sep 23 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Libel and threat to violence were the level set in this country for hundreds of years. That system enabled free speech to exist within the most successful system in the world. I think the people who devised that were far from idiots. Our current system though.... There were always taboos that could not be discussed. Religion is still something you have to be careful about... and sex. The mid 1980s and our beloved Prime Minister sought to block any ads or public discourse on AIDS - without any care for the consequences - as we don't discuss such things. The current woke bollox is seriously annoying but we have just shifted the taboo.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 23 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
There were always taboos that could not be discussed. Religion is still something you have to be careful about... and sex. The mid 1980s and our beloved Prime Minister sought to block any ads or public discourse on AIDS - without any care for the consequences - as we don't discuss such things. The current woke bollox is seriously annoying but we have just shifted the taboo. Really? I grew up literally watching Dave Allen take the p1ss out of religion nearly every week during his series on the box. The only taboo I remember on the telly was swearing and no one was arresting you for it. No, today we have 'protected classes', and 'perception' of 'offence' which are bad laws and I will complain like feck about it every day of the week because these laws shouldn't exist. I heard the other day that more people are arrested for what they say in this country than they are in Russia. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 8.54pm)
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| Glazier#1 04 Sep 23 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? I grew up literally watching Dave Allen take the p1ss out of religion nearly every week during his series on the box. The only taboo I remember on the telly was swearing and no one was arresting you for it. No, today we have 'protected classes', and 'perception' of 'offence' which are bad laws and I will complain like feck about it every day of the week because these laws shouldn't exist. I heard the other day that more people are arrested for what they say in this country than they are in Russia. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 8.54pm) You been talking to Vlad again lol?
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 23 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
You been talking to Vlad again lol? Yes, of course I have, every day he rings me up and tells me what to post on football forums about the topics of the day. You still using 'lol' I see....still stuck in the past on that one then. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 9.08pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 04 Sep 23 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? I grew up literally watching Dave Allen take the p1ss out of religion nearly every week during his series on the box. The only taboo I remember on the telly was swearing and no one was arresting you for it. No, today we have 'protected classes', and 'perception' of 'offence' which are bad laws and I will complain like feck about it every day of the week because these laws shouldn't exist. I heard the other day that more people are arrested for what they say in this country than they are in Russia. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 8.54pm) I'd like to see the empirical evidence on that but I agree the point about where we are now. However I think you may be guilty of glorifying a genuinely glorious but alarmingly brief period in our history.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 23 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'd like to see the empirical evidence on that but I agree the point about where we are now. However I think you may be guilty of glorifying a genuinely glorious but alarmingly brief period in our history. Perhaps, but our laws were definitely far more free on speech.....It was a free country but we just had social taboos...I would argue, better ones than today. I do know that after WW2 the Soviets tried to pass laws on speech somewhat similar to today via international agreements and the allies rejected them. Only for the champagne left to end up doing it generations later....and the right to cuck to it.
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| Glazier#1 04 Sep 23 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes, of course I have, every day he rings me up and tells me what to post on football forums about the topics of the day. You still using 'lol' I see....still stuck in the past on that one then. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2023 9.08pm) Definitely. Guilty on that score, lol
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 04 Sep 23 9.45pm |
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The parliament in Ireland has recently tried to bring in the most Draconian Censorship laws on Earth. Even down to what books you own. And the international outcry has been Loud. the legislation has stalled, pending the next sneaky trick. And all in the name of 'hate speech'. The Early Medieval. Remember Tyburn. People getting hung, drawn, and quartered for saying a few hurty words against the contemporary sacred-cows. Religion. Modern France.....Bataclan Theatre.....islamic blasphemy laws being enforced at the tip of a Kalashnikov. Arrest whoever got inside the heads of the two monsters that did Lee Rigby. Did they shout hurty words in a Football stadium ? How many football fans have been arrested for racist abuse ? and how many radical clerics ? and how many senior politicians have been done for incitement to violence ? There has been no clamour to 'negotiate with Vlad Putin'.....and a big clamour to kill all his soldiers. Racist football fans. Try Russia. Try Africa. Try being a gay footballer in Saudi. The West has moved into a new McCarthy Era. Where your very words (and even thoughts) can get you crucified. What the Fan shouted from the terraces was wrong, we can assume, if we had all the facts. But stopping cops from chasing murderers & robbers to deal with this. While gangs of urban youth are trashing the West End ? a good use of expensive Police resources ? you decide. Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Sep 2023 10.15pm)
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 23 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'd like to see the empirical evidence on that but I agree the point about where we are now. However I think you may be guilty of glorifying a genuinely glorious but alarmingly brief period in our history. It was just something I heard so I won't make any claim more concrete than that. I spent one search on it and found this.
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