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Runningman Keston 19 May 24 8.00pm
Just scored 4 for Villarreal against Real Madrid !

Runningman

Keston 19 May 24 8.00pm

Just scored 4 for Villarreal against Real Madrid !

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 19 May 24 8.06pm
Originally posted by Runningman Just scored 4 for Villarreal against Real Madrid ! Quick, sign him up. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 19 May 24 8.06pm

Originally posted by Runningman

Just scored 4 for Villarreal against Real Madrid !

Quick, sign him up.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

YT Oxford 19 May 24 8.17pm
We, and they, have proven that you CAN make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Edited by YT (19 May 2024 8.35pm) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 May 24 8.17pm

We, and they, have proven that you CAN make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Edited by YT (19 May 2024 8.35pm)

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Norbury Old Git London 19 May 24 8.27pm
What might have been if Hodgson had not been so prejudiced against young strikers. We are lucky Edouard was injured giving JPM the opportunity to shine and Ollie to hone his skills. How Norway have not qualified for the Euros with the best strikers in England and Spain I don’t know. Watch out for the World Cup qualifiers.

Norbury Old Git

London 19 May 24 8.27pm

What might have been if Hodgson had not been so prejudiced against young strikers. We are lucky Edouard was injured giving JPM the opportunity to shine and Ollie to hone his skills.

How Norway have not qualified for the Euros with the best strikers in England and Spain I don’t know. Watch out for the World Cup qualifiers.

Elpis In a pub 19 May 24 8.37pm
Well Dougie sure knows his stuff when spotting potential . Our problem with Sorloth was that we wanted/needed an instant return which was always going to be a long shot

Elpis

In a pub 19 May 24 8.37pm

Well Dougie sure knows his stuff when spotting potential . Our problem with Sorloth was that we wanted/needed an instant return which was always going to be a long shot

Wilbraham413 20 May 24 3.32am
Sorloth reminds me a lot of JPM. There were some signs that he might be decent, but Roy never played either of them, except for 5 minutes here or there. It's hard to tell unless the striker gets a long run of starts with decent service, and I feel like Sorloth and JPM never really got that until JPM recently. 2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro 2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley 2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth 2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

Wilbraham413

20 May 24 3.32am

Sorloth reminds me a lot of JPM. There were some signs that he might be decent, but Roy never played either of them, except for 5 minutes here or there.

It's hard to tell unless the striker gets a long run of starts with decent service, and I feel like Sorloth and JPM never really got that until JPM recently.

2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

Oddball2021 Adelaide 20 May 24 12.02pm
When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point.

Oddball2021

Adelaide 20 May 24 12.02pm

When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point.

Jacey 20 May 24 12.39pm
Originally posted by Oddball2021 When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point. Very true and had Roy remained in position,we may well have been waking up this morning finding ourselves back in the Championship,rather than 10th in the Premier League!! Unbelievable transformation.

Jacey

20 May 24 12.39pm

Originally posted by Oddball2021

Very true and had Roy remained in position,we may well have been waking up this morning finding ourselves back in the Championship,rather than 10th in the Premier League!!
Unbelievable transformation.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 20 May 24 12.48pm
The problem is up until recently Palace was a place where Forwards/Strikers go to die. The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 20 May 24 12.48pm

The problem is up until recently Palace was a place where Forwards/Strikers go to die.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Badger11 Beckenham 20 May 24 12.49pm
Originally posted by Elpis Well Dougie sure knows his stuff when spotting potential . Our problem with Sorloth was that we wanted/needed an instant return which was always going to be a long shot Exactly. Solrloth is now 28 and has taken a long time to perform at the highest level. Good luck to him but how long were we supposed to wait? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 May 24 12.49pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Well Dougie sure knows his stuff when spotting potential . Our problem with Sorloth was that we wanted/needed an instant return which was always going to be a long shot

Exactly. Solrloth is now 28 and has taken a long time to perform at the highest level. Good luck to him but how long were we supposed to wait?

One more point

MrRobbo Chaldon 20 May 24 1.03pm
Originally posted by Oddball2021 When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point. I remember feeling the same, he didnt feel awful, but came in at a point where the team was performing pretty badly. Always hard to judge a striker in those conditions.

MrRobbo

Chaldon 20 May 24 1.03pm

Originally posted by Oddball2021

I remember feeling the same, he didnt feel awful, but came in at a point where the team was performing pretty badly. Always hard to judge a striker in those conditions.

taylors lovechild 20 May 24 1.45pm
Originally posted by Oddball2021 When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point. Sorloth played 533 minutes for us in the PL, so it was really a case of him being judged on cameos, which never gives a clear picture. JP was even looking a vastly improved player under Roy this season when he finally got his chance, so it's not all down to OG. Personally, I think someone worked with him in training on his holdup play which has been infinitely better this season. Previously the ball would just bounce off him, whereas now players really struggle to get the ball off him. I agree though that any striker is going to look better if they actually get given chances, which under Roy were in far lower supply.

taylors lovechild

20 May 24 1.45pm

Originally posted by Oddball2021

Sorloth played 533 minutes for us in the PL, so it was really a case of him being judged on cameos, which never gives a clear picture. JP was even looking a vastly improved player under Roy this season when he finally got his chance, so it's not all down to OG. Personally, I think someone worked with him in training on his holdup play which has been infinitely better this season. Previously the ball would just bounce off him, whereas now players really struggle to get the ball off him. I agree though that any striker is going to look better if they actually get given chances, which under Roy were in far lower supply.

Elpis In a pub 20 May 24 6.02pm
Originally posted by Jacey Very true and had Roy remained in position,we may well have been waking up this morning finding ourselves back in the Championship,rather than 10th in the Premier League!! Unbelievable transformation. If Roy had stayed and didn't get another point we would still be in the premier league . So no we were never going to find ourselves in the Championship . Glasner is great , the football is great and we are all on a high but Roy was in charge with the mandate to keep us in the division (which he did with room to spare) not to wet nurse strikers who couldn't defend (lol) or score goals .

Elpis

In a pub 20 May 24 6.02pm

Originally posted by Jacey

If Roy had stayed and didn't get another point we would still be in the premier league . So no we were never going to find ourselves in the Championship .
Glasner is great , the football is great and we are all on a high but Roy was in charge with the mandate to keep us in the division (which he did with room to spare) not to wet nurse strikers who couldn't defend (lol) or score goals .

cryrst The garden of England 20 May 24 6.23pm
Originally posted by Elpis If Roy had stayed and didn't get another point we would still be in the premier league . So no we were never going to find ourselves in the Championship . Glasner is great , the football is great and we are all on a high but Roy was in charge with the mandate to keep us in the division (which he did with room to spare) not to wet nurse strikers who couldn't defend (lol) or score goals . Geez you’re fun. Not happy that we finished above weed roy was great and our season would have been fantastic as we finished 4 th bottom

cryrst

The garden of England 20 May 24 6.23pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Geez you’re fun. Not happy that we finished above weed roy was great and our season would have been fantastic as we finished 4 th bottom

Spiderman Horsham 20 May 24 6.40pm
Originally posted by Elpis If Roy had stayed and didn't get another point we would still be in the premier league . So no we were never going to find ourselves in the Championship . Glasner is great , the football is great and we are all on a high but Roy was in charge with the mandate to keep us in the division (which he did with room to spare) not to wet nurse strikers who couldn't defend (lol) or score goals . Given the right tactics do strikers need to defend? ( Harland) Mateta has proved he can score goals given the right service/support

Spiderman

Horsham 20 May 24 6.40pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Given the right tactics do strikers need to defend? ( Harland) Mateta has proved he can score goals given the right service/support

Elpis In a pub 20 May 24 7.15pm
Originally posted by cryrst Geez you’re fun. Not happy that we finished above weed roy was great and our season would have been fantastic as we finished 4 th bottom LOL Im a fun kind of guy Im just being realistic though . Roy was employed for one thing only and I just see it as unfair when people dig him out for not being more entertaining as a manager . That was down to Parish for playing it safe which was probably the right call as we established ourselves in the PL under Roy Im delighted as anyone that we are now on the path of enlightenment under Glasner

Elpis

In a pub 20 May 24 7.15pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Geez you’re fun. Not happy that we finished above weed roy was great and our season would have been fantastic as we finished 4 th bottom

LOL Im a fun kind of guy Im just being realistic though . Roy was employed for one thing only and I just see it as unfair when people dig him out for not being more entertaining as a manager . That was down to Parish for playing it safe which was probably the right call as we established ourselves in the PL under Roy

Im delighted as anyone that we are now on the path of enlightenment under Glasner

Robk 20 May 24 7.18pm
It probably goes without saying that Sorloth would have probably been a success under Glasner too.. not as much as Mateta but he’d have done ok...

Robk

20 May 24 7.18pm

It probably goes without saying that Sorloth would have probably been a success under Glasner too.. not as much as Mateta but he’d have done ok...

Elpis In a pub 20 May 24 7.24pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Given the right tactics do strikers need to defend? ( Harland) Mateta has proved he can score goals given the right service/support Well no they dont need to defend but the best ones do . Not many teams can carry a goal hanger .

Elpis

In a pub 20 May 24 7.24pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Given the right tactics do strikers need to defend? ( Harland) Mateta has proved he can score goals given the right service/support

Well no they dont need to defend but the best ones do . Not many teams can carry a goal hanger .

PatrickA London 20 May 24 7.34pm
How many passes did Mateta ( and for that matter Sorloth ) get slipped in either side of the centre back under Roy? None. The difference under Glasner is that we are playing 30 yards higher up the pitch , pressing higher and asking our striker to play within the width of the penalty area. This enables Olise, Eze and Wharton to thread balls into the penalty area for the striker to finish with one or two touches. It’s not rocket science. Hodgson was all about shape , blocking areas in our half and hoping for occasional individual brilliance from our players to create. Glasner has has a system to defend and attack, to play with the ball and without the ball. It’s like chalk and cheese to compare him to Hodgson.

PatrickA

London 20 May 24 7.34pm

How many passes did Mateta ( and for that matter Sorloth ) get slipped in either side of the centre back under Roy?
None.
The difference under Glasner is that we are playing 30 yards higher up the pitch , pressing higher and asking our striker to play within the width of the penalty area.
This enables Olise, Eze and Wharton to thread balls into the penalty area for the striker to finish with one or two touches.
It’s not rocket science.
Hodgson was all about shape , blocking areas in our half and hoping for occasional individual brilliance from our players to create.
Glasner has has a system to defend and attack, to play with the ball and without the ball.
It’s like chalk and cheese to compare him to Hodgson.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 20 May 24 7.39pm
Originally posted by Elpis Well no they dont need to defend but the best ones do . Not many teams can carry a goal hanger . Fortunately for us, Mateta's not a goal hanger. On several occasions on Sunday he was winning the ball back on the half-way line and starting new attacks but when we had the ball and going forward he was where a good striker needs to be - in the danger area- Hence his hat=trick.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 20 May 24 7.39pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Well no they dont need to defend but the best ones do . Not many teams can carry a goal hanger .

Fortunately for us, Mateta's not a goal hanger. On several occasions on Sunday he was winning the ball back on the half-way line and starting new attacks but when we had the ball and going forward he was where a good striker needs to be - in the danger area- Hence his hat=trick.

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