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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 2.56pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Well, you are definitely not centre-right and you are also not far-right. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, right-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-right. Like Tebbit.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jun 2017 1.45pm)

I'm a working class cultural nationalist with a small 'n'.
I'm also a red Tory in some areas.

Tebbit was excellent in some areas but...I get the impression that he regarded the working class as a liability whereas I believe that the 'haves' and 'have lesses' will always be involved in a symbolic relationship and when one doesn't properly recognise the other....that's when the system doesn't work.

 


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Hansy Flag 26 Jun 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

They're elected by the MEPs, similar to how party leaders aren't elected. Now I think they should have to be elected to the EU Parliament, like anyone else, but they are the product of democratic process

You will either vote for your local MP, or the party you want to succeed due to the leader. Leaders are also elected from the party membership. So you could have a say in that also if you really wanted.

Far more democratic than the EU imo.

EU President Tusk is nominated by the 27/28 EU leaders. That means 60% that didn't vote Tories might not approve of May's choice as an example.

Edited by Hansy (26 Jun 2017 3.04pm)

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

At least I am not in denial of my roots and pretending and deluding myself that I am 100% English like a certain half-Irish Wisbech inhabitant, eh Stirling?

? What is one hundred percent English? It's culture that matters not genetics and I've never said anything different to that.

You do speak some nonsense....Also my heritage roots are in Scotland just as much as northern Ireland, hence the name Stirling.

Unlike you I don't have a silly romantic attachment to something I'm not....though this said...while I knock the 'progressive' politics of the SNP....I don't knock Scotland itself. For what it's worth I'm proud of the heritage to have originated from there just as much as Belfast.

But I'm culturally English....There's no conditions or half way houses or doubts about it.

Wisbech is meant to be English.....though if you walk down the high street and use your ears you could easily be fooled.

We should swap.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by Hansy

You will either vote for your local MP, or the party you want to succeed due to the leader. Leaders are also elected from the party membership. So you could have a say in that also if you really wanted.

Far more democratic than the EU imo.

EU President Tusk is nominated by the 27/28 EU leaders. That means 60% that didn't vote Tories might not approve of May's choice as an example.

Edited by Hansy (26 Jun 2017 3.04pm)


Regardless of how democratic we may think the EU is the EU parliament will have the power to scupper brexit years down the line assuming it is still going.

The UK would sell their families to have a brexit sticker and only the provision of an Aston Martin to every Rumanian citizen for example is likely to shift the democratic process.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.40pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm not particularly anti-Brexit per se but how much "answering" did we ever have to do to unelected presidents?

Can anyone name me some edict from an EU unelected official which has impacted negatively on their life?

Domestic oil tank regulations - doubled the price - about £1,000 extra.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.43pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well, you are definitely not centre-right and you are also not far-right. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, right-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-right. Like Tebbit.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jun 2017 1.45pm)

Well, you are definitely not centre-left and you are also not far-left. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, left-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-left. Like Galloway.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.51pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well, you are definitely not centre-left and you are also not far-left. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, left-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-left. Like Galloway.

Obviously a decent guy in that case.

Left-wing tendencies are welcome and recent events are showing how necessary they are.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Obviously a decent guy in that case.

Left-wing tendencies are welcome and recent events are showing how necessary they are.


Obviously not a decent guy in that case. (I jest, Kermit's alright, just wrong)

Left-wing tendencies are unwelcome and recent events are showing how unnecessary they are.

I'm enjoying this game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 4.51pm)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Obviously not a decent guy in that case. (I jest, Kermit's alright, just wrong)

Left-wing tendencies are unwelcome and recent events are showing how unnecessary they are.

I'm enjoying this game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 4.51pm)

It's 'Jeremania' you have to go with the flow sometimes.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 5.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's 'Jeremania' you have to go with the flow sometimes.

I'm still envious of his Glastonbury shirt.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 26 Jun 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Domestic oil tank regulations - doubled the price - about £1,000 extra.

Building regs do you mean?

I doubt anyone unelected decided to impose a directive that simply said "domestic oil tanks should cost £1k extra".

I imagine that any directive (which goes through the European Parliament - elected) would be designed to make such installations more environmentally friendly and safer and ensure that their installations is done properly, and not cutting corners is more expensive.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 5.39pm

The problem with Sebastian Vettel is that he is undermining the remain case.

How are we to cling on to our EU ideals when one of our EU friends deliberately crashes into us twice in full view of the cameras.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 5.42pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Can anyone name me some edict from an EU unelected official which has impacted negatively on their life?

Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge.

The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it.

And you are asking about individual laws we don't like?

Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with?

It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 26 Jun 17 5.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge.

The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it.

And you are asking about individual laws we don't like?

Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with?

It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties.

Well I think the fishermen of the British isles still have a problem.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 26 Jun 17 5.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge.

The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it.

And you are asking about individual laws we don't like?

Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with?

It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties.

Name me a law UKIP have passed...

I'm not against Brexit per se, and I tend to agree that the EU is in need of reform and there are significant problems with it in terms of the ability it affords countries to decide on how it regulates industry and the kind of industrial strategy that countries follow. I think there are a lot of admirable things about the EU though and plenty of rights it affords people which are good on a personal level and protections it provides to workers and the environment that I would be concerned would go under the Tories and need enhancing not eradicating. But it hampers a nation's ability to go further with those protections or make them more relevant. Brexit can be a success but won't be under the Tories.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 6.40pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Building regs do you mean?

I doubt anyone unelected decided to impose a directive that simply said "domestic oil tanks should cost £1k extra".

I imagine that any directive (which goes through the European Parliament - elected) would be designed to make such installations more environmentally friendly and safer and ensure that their installations is done properly, and not cutting corners is more expensive.

Your question was "Can anyone name me some edict from an EU unelected official which has impacted negatively on their life?"

I answered your question. The new regulations were entirely EU imposed.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 7.05pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Name me a law UKIP have passed...

I'm not against Brexit per se, and I tend to agree that the EU is in need of reform and there are significant problems with it in terms of the ability it affords countries to decide on how it regulates industry and the kind of industrial strategy that countries follow. I think there are a lot of admirable things about the EU though and plenty of rights it affords people which are good on a personal level and protections it provides to workers and the environment that I would be concerned would go under the Tories and need enhancing not eradicating. But it hampers a nation's ability to go further with those protections or make them more relevant. Brexit can be a success but won't be under the Tories.

Well the fact that Ukip haven't passed a law is kind of my point.

They haven't affected you in law yet I bet you don't like them....mainly because of their influence and affect and how they affect the political climate.

It's the same with the EU....it's just from the other side.....and the EU actually have massively more power than Ukip.

You may think that the Tories can't handle leaving the EU but I completely disagree that Labour could get anything like as good a deal.

We have already see the illogical positions Labour and your ideological bedfellow Keir have taken up....when seen against the ruthless nature of the EU I think your preference for Labour doesn't hold water.

Having said that...if Labour were actually taking these talks I can't for the life of me believe they would be as accommodating as they put out.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 26 Jun 17 7.40pm

The Tories will be in power and Brexit will start off being a drastic failure, then a few years later the economy will show little green shoots, with the then need for increased immigration from Asia and Africa to fill the employment gaps helping it further, then it will go back to being a failure again.

The Tories will still be in power and on Question Time the old Brexiteers will shout out that it has been a roaring success. And the majority will be confused, feeling poorer, witnessing still more and more immigration from non-EU countries, whilst they are being told how great it has been.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jun 17 8.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Tories will be in power and Brexit will start off being a drastic failure, then a few years later the economy will show little green shoots, with the then need for increased immigration from Asia and Africa to fill the employment gaps helping it further, then it will go back to being a failure again.

The Tories will still be in power and on Question Time the old Brexiteers will shout out that it has been a roaring success. And the majority will be confused, feeling poorer, witnessing still more and more immigration from non-EU countries, whilst they are being told how great it has been.

Go and live in Romania then. The joke is that you have more chance of seeing your socialist ideas implemented in an independent Britain than in the capitalist cartel of the EU. Of course, if they were, the doom and gloom that you predict for Brexit would occur many times over.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 26 Jun 17 8.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Go and live in Romania then. The joke is that you have more chance of seeing your socialist ideas implemented in an independent Britain than in the capitalist cartel of the EU. Of course, if they were, the doom and gloom that you predict for Brexit would occur many times over.

You bang on about how stupid socialism is yet you believe all the lies Farage has told you and are willing to trade economic prosperity for "sovereignty". It's incredible

 


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