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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Jul 17 12.37am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

British Yardies?

Ha ha.

Emphasis on British. I'd say the true Yardies would be more aligned with Kingston Jamaica than good old London town.

 


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.TUX. Flag 03 Jul 17 1.41am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Any criticisms of the leave campaign are balanced out with criticism of the remain campaign. Criticisms of the campaigns that are too loaded on one side are to my mind unbalanced as in truth neither campaign really knows what will happen. Both of them were arguing from an ideological position.

As for interpretations of what the vote meant. I differ significantly from you. I believe your position is just a fall back remain position to attempt to get another referendum....or indeed ignore the original.

There will be a vote upon the final terms in parliament. Polling data shows no call for another referendum...indeed it shows a desire to get on with the process.

Remain parties did not do well in the general election. Claiming the leave position is undemocratic isn't realistic.

I don't support attempts to interfere with the negotiating process by minority parties which can only weaken the UK position. But there are plenty of people who are quite happy to stand with the EU position rather than the UK....But be in no doubt this is very much a minority viewpoint in the UK.

Personally, I see the EU as a disaster waiting to happen and by leaving we are reducing the damage. Two Italian banks have just failed and with the state of southern Europe that's just the tip of the iceberg. The magic EU 'money' tree can't go on endlessly....and once Germany starts to stutter investors will panic and it all comes down.....This isn't something I'm looking forward to but I don't see how it doesn't happen without serious reform.....And the EU doesn't willingly do reform.

Perhaps in the future the UK may join a different type of union....But much water will pass under the bridge first.

Agreed.

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 8.04am

Originally posted by Kermit8

That would depend entirely on whether it is fished at a sustainable level and whether or not the excluded countries still want to buy their catch.

Anyway, the foreign boats will still be allowed but the contractual terms will be re-negotiated. Gove said so himself more or less on Marr this morning.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Jul 2017 10.37pm)

We can set our own sustainable levels for fishing our own waters. We can sell our fish to ourselves rather than importing. Of course we are renegotiating the current EU fishing setup - I just hope we get back to pre-EU control of our own waters and rebuild our fishing industry - we are an island surrounded by water for f-sake, fishing should be a major industry here.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 8.19am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Emphasis on British. I'd say the true Yardies would be more aligned with Kingston Jamaica than good old London town.

I have contacted both Scotland Yard and the media and showed them your posts you two and asked them to stop referring to British drugs gangs of Jamaican origin as Yardies. They asked me to send you their apologies and they promised not to do it in the future.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 8.25am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

We can set our own sustainable levels for fishing our own waters. We can sell our fish to ourselves rather than importing. Of course we are renegotiating the current EU fishing setup - I just hope we get back to pre-EU control of our own waters and rebuild our fishing industry - we are an island surrounded by water for f-sake, fishing should be a major industry here.

It was until we over-fished it. And please don't show such naivety in believing that a capitalist Tory government will be 'green' and right-on when it comes to sustainability.

We can't sell our fish to ourselves in the tonnage that would be needed to address any imbalances. We are an island nation but the irony being we are not big native fish eaters save for cod. A huge amount is exported entirely for that reason or ends up as animal feed.

How big is the fish counter at your local big supermarket? Ours is only about 10 feet long. That's the demand. Low.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 8.52am

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was until we over-fished it. And please don't show such naivety in believing that a capitalist Tory government will be 'green' and right-on when it comes to sustainability.

We can't sell our fish to ourselves in the tonnage that would be needed to address any imbalances. We are an island nation but the irony being we are not big native fish eaters save for cod. A huge amount is exported entirely for that reason or ends up as animal feed.

How big is the fish counter at your local big supermarket? Ours is only about 10 feet long. That's the demand. Low.

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jul 17 9.26am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

You support mass renationalisation of public infrastructure then I take it.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 9.31am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

Not really. Tuna and Salmon we need from abroad as well as cod. But how mental is the system? We import Atlantic cod from China that's how crazy it is.

We do have an incredible resource and there is opportunity but the Fisheries Industry just hasn't got a very good record with its management of it and I include the EU in that though their more recent directives have lead to a North Sea Cod recovery.

If the Ministry in charge had Green types at the helm then 'yes' it could work up to a point otherwise it will just go back to being how bad it was again. No fish left.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Jul 2017 9.40am)

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 9.40am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not really. Tuna and Salmon we need from abroad as well as cod. But how mental is the system? We import Atlantic cod from China that's how crazy it is.

We do have an incredible resource and there is opportunity but the Fisheries Industry just hasn't got a very good record with its management of it and I include the EU in that though there more recent directives have lead to a North Sea Cod recovery.

If the Ministry in charge had Green types at the helm then 'yes' it could work up to a point otherwise it will just go back to being how bad it was again. No fish left.

It's just your usual anti-British rhetoric - we are incapable of running our own affairs and need those wise and wonderful EU bureaucrats to do it fer us.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 9.51am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It's just your usual anti-British rhetoric - we are incapable of running our own affairs and need those wise and wonderful EU bureaucrats to do it fer us.

Your prolonged naivety and forgetfulness is amazing. Of course for some areas we do. The EU anti-pollution laws have worked very well, for example. Our country was filthy a few decades back. Some Food standard regs too which could go out of the window when we sign a free-trade deal with the U.S. They use some very dodgy processes that are banned over here at the moment but highly likely won't be after the deal is signed.

There are plenty of other areas the EU has helped us with due to our...yes...inability to self-manage properly. Those at the top just don't have the will you see. It needs to be forced upon them legally.

If you had travelled more you would see how other countries manage some things better than us.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 10.21am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Your prolonged naivety and forgetfulness is amazing. Of course for some areas we do. The EU anti-pollution laws have worked very well, for example. Our country was filthy a few decades back. Some Food standard regs too which could go out of the window when we sign a free-trade deal with the U.S. They use some very dodgy processes that are banned over here at the moment but highly likely won't be after the deal is signed.

There are plenty of other areas the EU has helped us with due to our...yes...inability to self-manage properly. Those at the top just don't have the will you see. It needs to be forced upon them legally.

If you had travelled more you would see how other countries manage some things better than us.

That one made me laugh out loud - stay in the EU or we will have dirty streets!

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 2.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

That one made me laugh out loud - stay in the EU or we will have dirty streets!


Definitely being in the EU has led to a big culture change a mixture of legislation and being shamed into it has led us to clean up our act.

Where I live in Croydon its all take-aways and restaurants but little or no rubbish, a far cry from what used to be, train journeys were best avoided.

The reduction in smoking has helped but I think that local authorities being compelled by law to clean up has made the difference.



 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 6.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Definitely being in the EU has led to a big culture change a mixture of legislation and being shamed into it has led us to clean up our act.

Where I live in Croydon its all take-aways and restaurants but little or no rubbish, a far cry from what used to be, train journeys were best avoided.

The reduction in smoking has helped but I think that local authorities being compelled by law to clean up has made the difference.

Can't argue with that ...

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jul 17 11.32pm

Can't argue with this either...

 

Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jul 17 12.22am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can't argue with this either...

You can't argue because you're ignorant as to how the different economies work.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Jul 17 12.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can't argue because you're ignorant as to how the different economies work.

One does and the other one doesn't.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jul 17 1.00am

Originally posted by nickgusset

One does and the other one doesn't.

Well, I guess you are quite prepared to accept enslaving others then when it suits you.

I already know you are happy to destroy social cohesion and accept increased levels of terrorism if it suits your ideals of cultural Marxism.

Just a little note...if you want to go down that road....the German economy....wasn't built upon the Corbyn model.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Jul 17 1.22am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I guess you are quite prepared to accept enslaving others then when it suits you.

I already know you are happy to destroy social cohesion and accept increased levels of terrorism if it suits your ideals of cultural Marxism.

Just a little note...if you want to go down that road....the German economy....wasn't built upon the Corbyn model.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 04 Jul 17 5.10am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can't argue with this either...

Hence us actually being able to place restrictions on EU migrants but choosing not to. Anyone who thinks us leaving the EU will result in a magical and substantial decrease in migration has something very different coming to them. Especially with the undeniable economic volatility we're in for over the next however long, but that's okay "we'll be okay in the end".

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 Jul 17 8.33am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Hence us actually being able to place restrictions on EU migrants but choosing not to. Anyone who thinks us leaving the EU will result in a magical and substantial decrease in migration has something very different coming to them. Especially with the undeniable economic volatility we're in for over the next however long, but that's okay "we'll be okay in the end".

Well, at least that bit's true.

 


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