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Stirlingsays 05 Jul 17 7.50pm
Originally posted by europalace I still have a few friends in the UK, so I will still visit. Admittedly, the number is getting less as many have also left, so trips will be fewer in the coming years. Plenty of much, much nicer places to spend our money That's cool....as you say eventually you aren't coming back. However, if the EU falls don't be a hypocrite and come running back here with your tail between you legs. Just as long as that doesn't happen. Stay true to your convictions. Because you can be assured that my fate is tied to my country's fate. I'm made from different stuff to you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jul 17 7.50pm

Originally posted by europalace

I still have a few friends in the UK, so I will still visit. Admittedly, the number is getting less as many have also left, so trips will be fewer in the coming years. Plenty of much, much nicer places to spend our money

That's cool....as you say eventually you aren't coming back.

However, if the EU falls don't be a hypocrite and come running back here with your tail between you legs. Just as long as that doesn't happen. Stay true to your convictions.

Because you can be assured that my fate is tied to my country's fate. I'm made from different stuff to you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

europalace Europe 05 Jul 17 8.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's cool....as you say eventually you aren't coming back. However, if the EU falls don't be a hypocrite and come running back here with your tail between you legs. Just as long as that doesn't happen. Stay true to your convictions. Because you can be assured that my fate is tied to my country's fate. I'm made from different stuff to you. The EU has been about to 'fail' for about 15 years according to many Brits. Well, it's still here and continually evolving. The Euro was also going to 'fail' years ago according to the same Brits but it is gaining strength and that only happens when there is huge inflows of investment from outside the EU. You still have the outdated view of having 'your country'. We got rid of that narrow minded view years ago and our children know they are European, not tied to a single country. Many people are doing the same and it removes xenophobia and out dated nationalistic close minded thinking.

europalace

Europe 05 Jul 17 8.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's cool....as you say eventually you aren't coming back.

However, if the EU falls don't be a hypocrite and come running back here with your tail between you legs. Just as long as that doesn't happen. Stay true to your convictions.

Because you can be assured that my fate is tied to my country's fate. I'm made from different stuff to you.

The EU has been about to 'fail' for about 15 years according to many Brits. Well, it's still here and continually evolving. The Euro was also going to 'fail' years ago according to the same Brits but it is gaining strength and that only happens when there is huge inflows of investment from outside the EU.

You still have the outdated view of having 'your country'. We got rid of that narrow minded view years ago and our children know they are European, not tied to a single country. Many people are doing the same and it removes xenophobia and out dated nationalistic close minded thinking.

.TUX. 05 Jul 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by europalace The EU has been about to 'fail' for about 15 years according to many Brits. Well, it's still here and continually evolving. The Euro was also going to 'fail' years ago according to the same Brits but it is gaining strength and that only happens when there is huge inflows of investment from outside the EU. You still have the outdated view of having 'your country'. We got rid of that narrow minded view years ago and our children know they are European, not tied to a single country. Many people are doing the same and it removes xenophobia and out dated nationalistic close minded thinking. More to do with the ECB's continual printing of money/buying assets (like it's going out of fashion!) to prop-up a failing system. But you always forget to mention this FACT for some reason. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

05 Jul 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by europalace

The EU has been about to 'fail' for about 15 years according to many Brits. Well, it's still here and continually evolving. The Euro was also going to 'fail' years ago according to the same Brits but it is gaining strength and that only happens when there is huge inflows of investment from outside the EU.

More to do with the ECB's continual printing of money/buying assets (like it's going out of fashion!) to prop-up a failing system.
But you always forget to mention this FACT for some reason.

Buy Litecoin.

elgrande bedford 05 Jul 17 8.22pm
Originally posted by europalace The EU has been about to 'fail' for about 15 years according to many Brits. Well, it's still here and continually evolving. The Euro was also going to 'fail' years ago according to the same Brits but it is gaining strength and that only happens when there is huge inflows of investment from outside the EU. You still have the outdated view of having 'your country'. We got rid of that narrow minded view years ago and our children know they are European, not tied to a single country. Many people are doing the same and it removes xenophobia and out dated nationalistic close minded thinking. So now if you love your country you are xenophobic and nationalistic,you see that is why the eu will ultimately fail,people who love their countries will not put up with that. Funny how you love Europe so much,nothing to do with the obscene amounts of money you get from them is it. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 05 Jul 17 8.22pm

Originally posted by europalace

So now if you love your country you are xenophobic and nationalistic,you see that is why the eu will ultimately fail,people who love their countries will not put up with that.
Funny how you love Europe so much,nothing to do with the obscene amounts of money you get from them is it.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

europalace Europe 05 Jul 17 8.26pm
Originally posted by .TUX. More to do with the ECB's continual printing of money/buying assets (like it's going out of fashion!) to prop-up a failing system. But you always forget to mention this FACT for some reason. On the contrary, 'printing money' as you put it, known as QE, will weaken a currency. The reason the ECB is still on a policy of QE is to stop the Euro from strengthening even more which will make it less competitive with regard to exports. The more notes you 'print', the weaker the currency will get or at least it will slow any growth in strength. On the other hand the massive drop in international investment flows into the UK since June 2016 has been clearly reflected in Sterling's chronic weakness, the opposite scenario for the Euro. That of course should help UK exports but since the UK manufactures very little in relative terms, raw materials and basic components have to be imported, cancelling any currency weakness benefits out. Edited by europalace (05 Jul 2017 8.30pm)

europalace

Europe 05 Jul 17 8.26pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

More to do with the ECB's continual printing of money/buying assets (like it's going out of fashion!) to prop-up a failing system.
But you always forget to mention this FACT for some reason.

On the contrary, 'printing money' as you put it, known as QE, will weaken a currency. The reason the ECB is still on a policy of QE is to stop the Euro from strengthening even more which will make it less competitive with regard to exports. The more notes you 'print', the weaker the currency will get or at least it will slow any growth in strength.

On the other hand the massive drop in international investment flows into the UK since June 2016 has been clearly reflected in Sterling's chronic weakness, the opposite scenario for the Euro. That of course should help UK exports but since the UK manufactures very little in relative terms, raw materials and basic components have to be imported, cancelling any currency weakness benefits out.

Edited by europalace (05 Jul 2017 8.30pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jul 17 8.33pm
Originally posted by elgrande So now if you love your country you are xenophobic and nationalistic,you see that is why the eu will ultimately fail,people who love their countries will not put up with that. Funny how you love Europe so much,nothing to do with the obscene amounts of money you get from them is it. I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Jul 17 8.33pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception.

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 17 8.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception. Would you say we were xenophobic during WW2? Patriotism and nationalism are virtually the same thing in this context. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 10.16pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jul 17 8.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception.

Would you say we were xenophobic during WW2?

Patriotism and nationalism are virtually the same thing in this context.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 10.16pm)

legaleagle 05 Jul 17 8.43pm
That good news just keeps on rolling in...though at least we can all be worse off in the knowledge some people will regardless be happy there may be less immigrants of a differing ethnicity around ...talk about not seeing the wood for the trees.. "Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises" [Link]

legaleagle

05 Jul 17 8.43pm

That good news just keeps on rolling in...though at least we can all be worse off in the knowledge some people will regardless be happy there may be less immigrants of a differing ethnicity around ...talk about not seeing the wood for the trees..

"Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises"

[Link]

Stirlingsays 05 Jul 17 9.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception. So you think that if you have any nationalism then that makes you a racist? I think you trying to separate patriotism from nationalism is like separating an orange skin from an orange.....It's still part of the orange. Patriotism is nationalism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jul 17 9.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you think that if you have any nationalism then that makes you a racist?

I think you trying to separate patriotism from nationalism is like separating an orange skin from an orange.....It's still part of the orange.

Patriotism is nationalism.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 05 Jul 17 9.03pm
Originally posted by legaleagle That good news just keeps on rolling in...though at least we can all be worse off in the knowledge some people will regardless be happy there may be less immigrants of a differing ethnicity around ...talk about not seeing the wood for the trees.. "Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises" [Link] So are you going to be seeing everything through the lens of Brexit now? Previously did you see everything negative as being a result of being in the EU? Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 9.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jul 17 9.03pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

"Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises"

[Link]

So are you going to be seeing everything through the lens of Brexit now?

Previously did you see everything negative as being a result of being in the EU?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 9.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 17 9.14pm
Originally posted by legaleagle That good news just keeps on rolling in...though at least we can all be worse off in the knowledge some people will regardless be happy there may be less immigrants of a differing ethnicity around ...talk about not seeing the wood for the trees.. "Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises" [Link] Because rail fares don't go up every year do they. Predictable blame Brexit nonsense.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jul 17 9.14pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

"Rail commuters face 'Brexit fare hike' of nearly four percent - far exceeding public sector pay cap AND private sector wage rises"

[Link]

Because rail fares don't go up every year do they.

Predictable blame Brexit nonsense.

legaleagle 05 Jul 17 9.15pm
I think you miss the point as explained in the link,Stirling (and Hrolf)..Inflation up as direct result of fall in value of sterling,which plainly has happened (at least in major part) as a result of the referendum outcome and talk of a hard brexit.Therefore,perfectly reasonable to relate the likely fare increases (and fall in standard of living) to Brexit. Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm)

legaleagle

05 Jul 17 9.15pm

I think you miss the point as explained in the link,Stirling (and Hrolf)..Inflation up as direct result of fall in value of sterling,which plainly has happened (at least in major part) as a result of the referendum outcome and talk of a hard brexit.Therefore,perfectly reasonable to relate the likely fare increases (and fall in standard of living) to Brexit.

Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 17 9.20pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I think you miss the point as explained in the link,Stirling (and Hrolf)..Inflation up as direct result of fall in value of sterling,which plainly has happened (at least in major part) as a result of the referendum outcome and talk of a hard brexit.Therefore,perfectly reasonable to relate the likely fare increases (and fall in standard of living) to Brexit. Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm) Rail fares go up by similar amounts every year. You don't think this is just a good headline with someone putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 or the rail companies making their annual excuse. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 9.22pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jul 17 9.20pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm)

Rail fares go up by similar amounts every year.

You don't think this is just a good headline with someone putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 or the rail companies making their annual excuse.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 9.22pm)

hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jul 17 9.33pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception. 'outsiders' - bit racist that. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 05 Jul 17 9.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'd say xenophobia and nationalism exist outside of patriotism. If you are xenophobic or nationalistic I'd say it's unpatriotic because it makes it look to outsiders that we are all racist w***ers; many of us patriots do not fit that perception.

'outsiders' - bit racist that.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

legaleagle 05 Jul 17 9.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Rail fares go up by similar amounts every year. You don't think this is just a good headline with someone putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 or the rail companies making their annual excuse. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 9.22pm) Anything to ignore the fact that rail fare rises (based on inflation) will reduce living standards for many directly because of the exchange rate consequences of the vote to leave the EU and the bluster about a hard Brexit....

legaleagle

05 Jul 17 9.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Rail fares go up by similar amounts every year.

You don't think this is just a good headline with someone putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 or the rail companies making their annual excuse.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2017 9.22pm)

Anything to ignore the fact that rail fare rises (based on inflation) will reduce living standards for many directly because of the exchange rate consequences of the vote to leave the EU and the bluster about a hard Brexit....

legaleagle 05 Jul 17 9.56pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 'outsiders' - bit racist that. Hedgie, do you know what racism is? Cause if that's the way you see it,all those who think its a problem having people of a different ethnicity around could be characterised as racists....whereas they aren't (though similar in the way they discriminate about ethnicity to the way racists discriminate based on race)

legaleagle

05 Jul 17 9.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

'outsiders' - bit racist that.

Hedgie, do you know what racism is?

Cause if that's the way you see it,all those who think its a problem having people of a different ethnicity around could be characterised as racists....whereas they aren't (though similar in the way they discriminate about ethnicity to the way racists discriminate based on race)

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 17 9.56pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Anything to ignore the fact that rail fare rises (based on inflation) will reduce living standards for many directly because of the exchange rate consequences of the vote to leave the EU and the bluster about a hard Brexit.... I think you are the one who is ignoring the obvious.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jul 17 9.56pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I think you are the one who is ignoring the obvious.

legaleagle 05 Jul 17 9.58pm
That's what the flat earthers tried to argue when refusing to accept the world was round

legaleagle

05 Jul 17 9.58pm

That's what the flat earthers tried to argue when refusing to accept the world was round

Stirlingsays 05 Jul 17 10.02pm
The point hasn't been missed at all. You didn't need to explain the dubious reasoning. It's a non argument anyway considering that Brexit wasn't a vote about economics...I mean how many times has that been said on here already? Yet you make these posts like you never read one. Also you didn't answer the direct question. There were negatives associated with being apart of the EU....yet you didn't mind them. So your cherry picking now doesn't carry much weight outside of your own choir of remoaners. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.08pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jul 17 10.02pm

The point hasn't been missed at all. You didn't need to explain the dubious reasoning. It's a non argument anyway considering that Brexit wasn't a vote about economics...I mean how many times has that been said on here already? Yet you make these posts like you never read one.

Also you didn't answer the direct question.

There were negatives associated with being apart of the EU....yet you didn't mind them. So your cherry picking now doesn't carry much weight outside of your own choir of remoaners.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.08pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Jul 17 10.06pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I think you miss the point as explained in the link,Stirling (and Hrolf)..Inflation up as direct result of fall in value of sterling,which plainly has happened (at least in major part) as a result of the referendum outcome and talk of a hard brexit.Therefore,perfectly reasonable to relate the likely fare increases (and fall in standard of living) to Brexit. Train fares go up annually,but It'll be good to blame Brexit as it's a stick to beat the leavers with shocker Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm) Pro USA & Israel

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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Jul 17 10.06pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

*Train fares go up annually,but It'll be good to blame Brexit as it's a stick to beat the leavers with shocker*

Edited by legaleagle (05 Jul 2017 9.17pm)

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