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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by europalace

What's Malta got to do with the ECB using QE to help stem the strength of the Euro?

You are alluding to a position that the UK economy is weak, whereas the composite economies of the EU are strong.

Interested to know that as you espouse the economic policies of EU member states and the ECB, what is the composite of Malta's economy?

I am sure that your last post was a genuine question and not an attempt at deflecting from my enquiry.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 1.31pm

Latest: UK economy growth 0 EU economy growth 1

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europalace Flag Europe 06 Jul 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

You are alluding to a position that the UK economy is weak, whereas the composite economies of the EU are strong.

Interested to know that as you espouse the economic policies of EU member states and the ECB, what is the composite of Malta's economy?

I am sure that your last post was a genuine question and not an attempt at deflecting from my enquiry.

Malta's economy is one of the fastest growing in the EU and it has one of the lowest rates of unemployment. However, it's a very small island economy, so it's never going to affect EU financial health one way or another. It's main income cones from financial services. After that, it's one of the biggest centers in Europe for English language training, with more than 100,000 coning each year which is huge considering the country has a population of only 420,000. There is some high tech manufacturing also. Fish farming here is the biggest in the Med with the bulk of Tuna going for export to Japan. After that there is the diving industry, again with around 100,000 coming here each year for that. The construction industry has also gt huge as the massive influx of foreigners moving here to live continues. We've made a mint on property here over the last 10-12years.

However, we will only stay here for a few years and move the family on to their fifth country to live in after that. Fabulous experience for the kids, they love it.

Edited by europalace (06 Jul 2017 1.36pm)

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 1.39pm

Originally posted by europalace

Malta's economy is one of the fastest growing in the EU and it has one of the lowest rates of unemployment. However, it's a very small island economy, so it's never going to affect EU financial health one way or another. It's main income cones from financial services. After that, it's one of the biggest centers in Europe for English language training, with more than 100,000 coning each year which is huge considering the country has a population of only 420,000. There is some high tech manufacturing also. Fish farming here is the biggest in the Med with the bulk of Tuna going for export to Japan. After that there is the diving industry, again with around 100,000 coming here each year for that. The construction industry has also gt huge as the massive influx of foreigners moving here to live continues. We've made a mint on property here over the last 10-12years.

However, we will only stay here for a few years and move the family on to their fifth country to live in after that. Fabulous experience for the kids, they love it.

Edited by europalace (06 Jul 2017 1.36pm)

By financial services, do you mean that Malta offers 'tax efficient' solutions for corporations registered in the country?

I.e., it is a tax haven and its income is largely built on tax avoidance?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 1.39pm

"The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year."

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 1.43pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Latest: UK economy growth 0 EU economy growth 1

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You didn't report that fairly, did you Michael?

That report states that 'year on year' growth is around 2% for both the UK and Eurozone, meaning that Brexit, or more accurately imminent Brexit, has not harmed the economy.

Must stick in your craw after all those CBI scare stories you have posted on here, stating that Brexit would result in us living in some sort of a post apocalyptic version of hell.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2017 1.43pm)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 1.52pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

You didn't report that fairly, did you Michael?

That report states that 'year on year' growth is around 2% for both the UK and Eurozone, meaning that Brexit, or more accurately imminent Brexit, has not harmed the economy.

Must stick in your craw after all those CBI scare stories you have posted on here, stating that Brexit would result in us living in some sort of a post apocalyptic version of hell.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2017 1.43pm)

We haven't left yet so save your faux and false economy celebrations now until at least the year after exit for a truer assessment on its impact. Plenty of pessimism from different corners of industry still out there, unfortunately.

But with this superb bunch of front bench politicians and negotiators in Government it is hard to see how Brexit could be anything but a roaring victory in every quarter.

Anyway, whatever happens you will always call it a success so your opinion doesn't matter much really.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 1.58pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

We haven't left yet so save your faux and false economy celebrations now until at least the year after exit for a truer assessment on its impact. Plenty of pessimism from different corners of industry still out there, unfortunately.

But with this superb bunch of front bench politicians and negotiators in Government it is hard to see how Brexit could be anything but a roaring victory in every quarter.

Anyway, whatever happens you will always call it a success so your opinion doesn't matter much really.

Michael, there was no celebration from me. I merely pointed out that you were not being 'totally straight' with your reporting and further point out that pretty much every single matter you have posted about Brexit and EU is either false, fanciful or exaggerated.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 17 2.05pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

We haven't left yet so save your faux and false economy celebrations now until at least the year after exit for a truer assessment on its impact. Plenty of pessimism from different corners of industry still out there, unfortunately.

But with this superb bunch of front bench politicians and negotiators in Government it is hard to see how Brexit could be anything but a roaring victory in every quarter.

Anyway, whatever happens you will always call it a success so your opinion doesn't matter much really.

We get it...you are a remainer. The SNP don't like Brexit either. Why don't you be true to your mooted allegiance and move to your Scottish socialist paradise.....Or you could do like Europalace has and move to the EU that you love so much.

Did you actually read the article that you reported?

It actually presents a far more balanced view than you appear to.

The reality is that the EU isn't doing well at all. European banks have been bailed out yet again....Many on the blink of failure....Most economic data of the recent past showing very favourable UK growth and you jump on one quarter.

People like you would have put us in the Euro.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 06 Jul 17 2.07pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

By financial services, do you mean that Malta offers 'tax efficient' solutions for corporations registered in the country?

I.e., it is a tax haven and its income is largely built on tax avoidance?

Malta's financial services offer companies a full range of corporate services as found in the UK or any other large economy and also wealth management in the same way for individuals, again services that can also be found in the UK. Corporation tax is lower in Malta than the UK but so are several other countries. Using the term 'tax haven' is a misnomer because the UK offers corporation tax levels lower than Germany for example, so the UK could be seen as a 'tax haven' also in that respect. Personal income tax levels are lower in Malta than the UK and several other countries but the country doesn't have massive infrastructure to support.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 2.07pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, there was no celebration from me. I merely pointed out that you were not being 'totally straight' with your reporting and further point out that pretty much every single matter you have posted about Brexit and EU is either false, fanciful or exaggerated.


What bit of "First quarter figures of 0.2% GDP growth beaten by every other nation in 28-country bloc as weaker pound after the Brexit vote fuels price inflation" don't you understand?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 17 2.09pm

I see that the EU have just completed a trade deal with Japan. Took just over 2 years to negotiate.

Can anyone tell me if we are going to get a better trade deal with Japan now we aren't part of the largest trading block in the world.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We get it...you are a remainer. The SNP don't like Brexit either. Why don't you be true to your mooted allegiance and move to your Scottish socialist paradise.....Or you could do like Europalace has and move to the EU that you love so much.

Did you actually read the article that you reported?

It actually presents a far more balanced view than you appear to.

The reality is that the EU isn't doing well at all. European banks have been bailed out yet again....Many on the blink of failure....Most economic data of the recent past showing very favourable UK growth and you jump on one quarter.

People like you would have put us in the Euro.

I am not sure celebrating our economic growth in the past is a strong enough argument is allay any concerns about the first financial quarterly results this year. If we do it your way and not look to the next set if they are low too compared to other EU countries and look at past results again then I suppose we could keep up the mask of hoo-rah for Brexit!

How long shall we do it for? I'll swot up on economic data for 2006 just in case.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 06 Jul 17 2.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I see that the EU have just completed a trade deal with Japan. Took just over 2 years to negotiate.

Can anyone tell me if we are going to get a better trade deal with Japan now we aren't part of the largest trading block in the world.

No they haven't. They've agreed an outline to a trade deal - they say it could be many years before anything is signed

"However, few specific details are known and a full, workable agreement may take some time.
Two of the most important sectors are Japanese cars and, for Europe, EU farming goods into Japan.
The outline plan was signed in Brussels after a meeting between the Japanese Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, and the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker."

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 17 2.17pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I see that the EU have just completed a trade deal with Japan. Took just over 2 years to negotiate.

Can anyone tell me if we are going to get a better trade deal with Japan now we aren't part of the largest trading block in the world.

Japan have already said 'unfortunately not but admire our tenacity in committing economic harakiri'

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 2.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


What bit of "First quarter figures of 0.2% GDP growth beaten by every other nation in 28-country bloc as weaker pound after the Brexit vote fuels price inflation" don't you understand?

I understand that. What I put to you was that the UK's year-on-year growth is the same as the EU and slightly better than the Eurozone's. Judging imminent Brexit on one quarterly economic report appears flimsy and politically driven.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 17 2.47pm

Originally posted by europalace

Malta's financial services offer companies a full range of corporate services as found in the UK or any other large economy and also wealth management in the same way for individuals, again services that can also be found in the UK. Corporation tax is lower in Malta than the UK but so are several other countries. Using the term 'tax haven' is a misnomer because the UK offers corporation tax levels lower than Germany for example, so the UK could be seen as a 'tax haven' also in that respect. Personal income tax levels are lower in Malta than the UK and several other countries but the country doesn't have massive infrastructure to support.

A lot of people appear to be using the 'misnomer' of describing Malta as a tax haven:

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With EU countries delving the Panama Papers for evidence of wrongdoing in Malta, politicians questioning the rule of law in the country and allegations flying around that Malta funnels money for some very unsavoury characters, it appears that all may not be as you make it out.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 06 Jul 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

A lot of people appear to be using the 'misnomer' of describing Malta as a tax haven:

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With EU countries delving the Panama Papers for evidence of wrongdoing in Malta, politicians questioning the rule of law in the country and allegations flying around that Malta funnels money for some very unsavoury characters, it appears that all may not be as you make it out.

The Panama papers talk about several countries but again. Malta is a small country, so easy point a finger at but at the end of the day every country including the UK has 'allegations' against it. What is true though is that Malta's economy has always been good, even in times of recession such as 2008-2012.

With regards to tax avoidance you mentioned earlier, are you sure you know what that term means? Millions of people in the UK use tax avoidance methods such as putting money into pension plans instead of regular investments, diverting £billions away from the treasury each year. People also use accountants and financial advisers to avoid paying tax in a myriad of other areas such as BTL properties, company cars and other assets for the self employed etc.

I know it won't make your attempted case better but I'm not Maltese, sorry to disappoint you. You also need to learn the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion - big difference that you seem not to understand.

Edited by europalace (06 Jul 2017 3.48pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Jul 17 3.46pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I understand that. What I put to you was that the UK's year-on-year growth is the same as the EU and slightly better than the Eurozone's. Judging imminent Brexit on one quarterly economic report appears flimsy and politically driven.

No it's economic short-termism but that's how the country is run the drop in value of the £ for example is lauded as great for the economy but now it seems like something permanent it is a different story.

 

europalace Flag Europe 06 Jul 17 4.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No it's economic short-termism but that's how the country is run the drop in value of the £ for example is lauded as great for the economy but now it seems like something permanent it is a different story.

In any healthy economy a weakened currency will pay when it comes to exports. Unfortunately in the UK's case this is not so. The UK's 'manufacturing' industry is in reality an 'assembly' industry. It assembles basic components to make an end product of export. However, few if any of the basic component inventory are manufactured locally, they are imported. This makes the cost of UK 'manufacture' negatively affected by a weak Sterling. These imports are of course exports from the EU in many cases, helping keep the Euro strong and leading to the ECB continuing its policy of QE in order to offset that strength.

 

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