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MrRobbo Chaldon 01 Aug 22 11.46am
Originally posted by JohnB I don't really understand RLC on loan. He's supposed to be on £150k+ per week and Chelsea always get a loan fee. Suppose you pay £3m loan fee and cover his wages, that's almost £11m for the season. Take Gibbs-White as a hypothetical. You sign him for £30m and he's on £70k per week wages for 5 years. On the books, that costs the club £9.5m for the year. Yes that is £9.5m per year for 5 years but at least you own the player and can sell him on. Loaning such an expensive player, especially one with his injury history, doesn't seem to fit with our model. At least with Gallagher, his wages and loan fee would have been probably half of RLC. Unless Chelsea are going to heavily subsidise his wages or put in clauses around injuries, neither of which I can really see happening, it just doesn't make sense to me. How else is the model going to work. Clubs either WANT you to loan a player to help their development or a club wants to loan a player that they likely couldn't afford/wouldn't come permanently and you pay a premium for it Gallagher was a one in a 100 example, we cant keep comparing everything to him, if nothing else its getting boring

MrRobbo

Chaldon 01 Aug 22 11.46am

Originally posted by JohnB

I don't really understand RLC on loan. He's supposed to be on £150k+ per week and Chelsea always get a loan fee.

Suppose you pay £3m loan fee and cover his wages, that's almost £11m for the season.

Take Gibbs-White as a hypothetical. You sign him for £30m and he's on £70k per week wages for 5 years. On the books, that costs the club £9.5m for the year.

Yes that is £9.5m per year for 5 years but at least you own the player and can sell him on. Loaning such an expensive player, especially one with his injury history, doesn't seem to fit with our model.

At least with Gallagher, his wages and loan fee would have been probably half of RLC.

Unless Chelsea are going to heavily subsidise his wages or put in clauses around injuries, neither of which I can really see happening, it just doesn't make sense to me.

How else is the model going to work.

Clubs either WANT you to loan a player to help their development

or a club wants to loan a player that they likely couldn't afford/wouldn't come permanently and you pay a premium for it

Gallagher was a one in a 100 example, we cant keep comparing everything to him, if nothing else its getting boring

samprior Hamburg 01 Aug 22 3.50pm
Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot Ok so I hate the word gossip when it relates to transfers but I do think this is quite interesting... So just got off the phone to my old man who works as a referee assessor for the FA. Today he was at Chelseas training ground in Cobham assessing the ref in a Chelsea U23s game. He was sitting in the small stand they have at the main pitch there and a light skinned black lad (my old man said probably late teens/early 20s) sitting a few rows I front. As the players were warming up one of the them came over and said to this lad 'Are you going to Palace then'... This lad said Yes.. He was then asked when does he go and he replied 'tomorrow'.. Now my Dad is useless with names but from the description I'm thinking it could possibly be Colwill??.. I guess we will see!! Lots of news circling that Colwill will be used in the Cucurella to Chelsea deal. A pretty good deal for Brighton if true... the gits.

samprior

Hamburg 01 Aug 22 3.50pm

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

Ok so I hate the word gossip when it relates to transfers but I do think this is quite interesting...

So just got off the phone to my old man who works as a referee assessor for the FA. Today he was at Chelseas training ground in Cobham assessing the ref in a Chelsea U23s game.

He was sitting in the small stand they have at the main pitch there and a light skinned black lad (my old man said probably late teens/early 20s) sitting a few rows I front.

As the players were warming up one of the them came over and said to this lad 'Are you going to Palace then'... This lad said Yes.. He was then asked when does he go and he replied 'tomorrow'..

Now my Dad is useless with names but from the description I'm thinking it could possibly be Colwill??.. I guess we will see!!

Lots of news circling that Colwill will be used in the Cucurella to Chelsea deal. A pretty good deal for Brighton if true... the gits.

est1905 01 Aug 22 4.28pm
Originally posted by NEILLO If we could have the RLC from his previous loan with us, I'd take him in a heartbeat. But I'm not sure that player is in there anymore. Agree, a Chelsea supporting mate tells me the general feeling amongst Chelsea fans is that his loan to Fulham actually did more harm than good. His self belief is gone, along with his best form.

est1905

01 Aug 22 4.28pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

If we could have the RLC from his previous loan with us, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

But I'm not sure that player is in there anymore.

Agree,
a Chelsea supporting mate tells me the general feeling amongst Chelsea fans is that his loan to Fulham actually did more harm than good. His self belief is gone, along with his best form.

eritheagle Erith 01 Aug 22 4.32pm
Originally posted by est1905 Agree, a Chelsea supporting mate tells me the general feeling amongst Chelsea fans is that his loan to Fulham actually did more harm than good. His self belief is gone, along with his best form. He seemed to play quite well against us at Wembley.....unfortunately!

eritheagle

Erith 01 Aug 22 4.32pm

Originally posted by est1905

Agree,
a Chelsea supporting mate tells me the general feeling amongst Chelsea fans is that his loan to Fulham actually did more harm than good. His self belief is gone, along with his best form.

He seemed to play quite well against us at Wembley.....unfortunately!

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 6.04pm
Originally posted by eritheagle He seemed to play quite well against us at Wembley.....unfortunately! That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions).

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 6.04pm

Originally posted by eritheagle

He seemed to play quite well against us at Wembley.....unfortunately!

That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions).

pssguy 01 Aug 22 6.13pm
Originally posted by Willo That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions). But he had quite a few assists in the league. He started 13 PL games for them last year, only a couple shy of his total in all his other years there

pssguy

01 Aug 22 6.13pm

Originally posted by Willo

That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions).

But he had quite a few assists in the league. He started 13 PL games for them last year, only a couple shy of his total in all his other years there

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 6.23pm
Originally posted by pssguy But he had quite a few assists in the league. He started 13 PL games for them last year, only a couple shy of his total in all his other years there Gallagher with his energy and 'Pressing' was a vital cog for us. RLC looks casual and laboured on occasions.We really do need someone with more energy in that vital 'Engine room'. RLC never impressed me one iota when he was on loan at Fulham and it would be a retrograde step bringing him back to the club.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 6.23pm

Originally posted by pssguy

But he had quite a few assists in the league. He started 13 PL games for them last year, only a couple shy of his total in all his other years there

Gallagher with his energy and 'Pressing' was a vital cog for us.
RLC looks casual and laboured on occasions.We really do need someone with more energy in that vital 'Engine room'.
RLC never impressed me one iota when he was on loan at Fulham and it would be a retrograde step bringing him back to the club.

MrRobbo Chaldon 01 Aug 22 7.11pm
Originally posted by Willo Gallagher with his energy and 'Pressing' was a vital cog for us. RLC looks casual and laboured on occasions.We really do need someone with more energy in that vital 'Engine room'. RLC never impressed me one iota when he was on loan at Fulham and it would be a retrograde step bringing him back to the club. The problem we have is that Gallagher was a bit of a one off. Pressing and goals. Broadly you cant have both and need to pick either or. I think we'll have a lot of games this season where we have the ball but are struggling to unlock, having someone like RLC to bring on for Eze or as well as Eze is a good thing in my book. Personally I'd see if Chelsea will do a BOGOF with Gilmore and RLC. Gilmore has next to zero future at Chelsea he needs to get out.

MrRobbo

Chaldon 01 Aug 22 7.11pm

Originally posted by Willo

The problem we have is that Gallagher was a bit of a one off. Pressing and goals. Broadly you cant have both and need to pick either or.

I think we'll have a lot of games this season where we have the ball but are struggling to unlock, having someone like RLC to bring on for Eze or as well as Eze is a good thing in my book.

Personally I'd see if Chelsea will do a BOGOF with Gilmore and RLC. Gilmore has next to zero future at Chelsea he needs to get out.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 7.38pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo The problem we have is that Gallagher was a bit of a one off. Pressing and goals. Broadly you cant have both and need to pick either or. I think we'll have a lot of games this season where we have the ball but are struggling to unlock, having someone like RLC to bring on for Eze or as well as Eze is a good thing in my book. Personally I'd see if Chelsea will do a BOGOF with Gilmore and RLC. Gilmore has next to zero future at Chelsea he needs to get out. Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 7.38pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

The problem we have is that Gallagher was a bit of a one off. Pressing and goals. Broadly you cant have both and need to pick either or.

I think we'll have a lot of games this season where we have the ball but are struggling to unlock, having someone like RLC to bring on for Eze or as well as Eze is a good thing in my book.

Personally I'd see if Chelsea will do a BOGOF with Gilmore and RLC. Gilmore has next to zero future at Chelsea he needs to get out.

Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'.

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Aug 22 7.59pm
We had the best of RLC imo. High regard for him, how would it work though. Anyway if PV wants this he will have presumably thought it through.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Aug 22 7.59pm

We had the best of RLC imo.

High regard for him, how would it work though.

Anyway if PV wants this he will have presumably thought it through.

Spiderman Horsham 01 Aug 22 8.12pm
Originally posted by Willo Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'. Think you are being harsh on Eze, certainly didn’t appear languid on Saturday or at QPR. Whilst I would have CG back in a heartbeat, towards the end of the season his form dipped, presumably as it was impossible to keep his workrate up all season

Spiderman

Horsham 01 Aug 22 8.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'.

Think you are being harsh on Eze, certainly didn’t appear languid on Saturday or at QPR.
Whilst I would have CG back in a heartbeat, towards the end of the season his form dipped, presumably as it was impossible to keep his workrate up all season

Spiderman Horsham 01 Aug 22 8.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We had the best of RLC imo. High regard for him, how would it work though. Anyway if PV wants this he will have presumably thought it through. I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season. Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

Spiderman

Horsham 01 Aug 22 8.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We had the best of RLC imo.

High regard for him, how would it work though.

Anyway if PV wants this he will have presumably thought it through.

I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season.
Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 8.52pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season. Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 8.52pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season.
Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 22 9.01pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season. Luckily they don’t consult with Willo For the first time in my life, I really do these days must be said. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 22 9.01pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season.
Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

For the first time in my life, I really do these days must be said.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

eritheagle Erith 01 Aug 22 9.32pm
Originally posted by Willo That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions). And he only scored 2 for us but his all round play is more than good enough even if he doesn’t score a lot.

eritheagle

Erith 01 Aug 22 9.32pm

Originally posted by Willo

That was the only goal that RLC scored last season in 40 apps (All competitions).

And he only scored 2 for us but his all round play is more than good enough even if he doesn’t score a lot.

silvertop Portishead 01 Aug 22 9.36pm
Originally posted by Willo Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'. RLC. Languid? He may appear so from distance but he literally runs through opponents. People need to stop focusing on securing the new messiah. RLC would be a valuable squad player who will start some, bench some, rest some.

silvertop

Portishead 01 Aug 22 9.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

Two languid style players together in that vital midfield 'Engine room'.

RLC. Languid? He may appear so from distance but he literally runs through opponents.

People need to stop focusing on securing the new messiah. RLC would be a valuable squad player who will start some, bench some, rest some.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 11.16pm
All about opinions of course. I have been in settings with people involved in football and discussions apropos an array of players have resulted in significant differences of opinions on occasions ! There was certainly positive unanimity regarding messrs Eze and Olise, when they were still at QPR and Reading respectively ! I recall some years ago, some chaps waxing lyrical about Ivan Toney when he was at Northampton, Nick Pope when he was at Charlton and Tyrone Mings when he was at Ipswich.I did not know a great deal about these players at that time. Returning to RLC, I am not enthusiastic about a return of the player, just my opinion of course and I respect the opinions of those that fervently disagree. Edited by Willo (01 Aug 2022 11.37pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 22 11.16pm

All about opinions of course.

I have been in settings with people involved in football and discussions apropos an array of players have resulted in significant differences of opinions on occasions !

There was certainly positive unanimity regarding messrs Eze and Olise, when they were still at QPR and Reading respectively !

I recall some years ago, some chaps waxing lyrical about Ivan Toney when he was at Northampton, Nick Pope when he was at Charlton and Tyrone Mings when he was at Ipswich.I did not know a great deal about these players at that time.

Returning to RLC, I am not enthusiastic about a return of the player, just my opinion of course and I respect the opinions of those that fervently disagree.

Edited by Willo (01 Aug 2022 11.37pm)

Stirlingsays 01 Aug 22 11.59pm
Originally posted by Willo All about opinions of course. I have been in settings with people involved in football and discussions apropos an array of players have resulted in significant differences of opinions on occasions ! There was certainly positive unanimity regarding messrs Eze and Olise, when they were still at QPR and Reading respectively ! I recall some years ago, some chaps waxing lyrical about Ivan Toney when he was at Northampton, Nick Pope when he was at Charlton and Tyrone Mings when he was at Ipswich.I did not know a great deal about these players at that time. Returning to RLC, I am not enthusiastic about a return of the player, just my opinion of course and I respect the opinions of those that fervently disagree. Edited by Willo (01 Aug 2022 11.37pm) Years ago, I remember a poster saying that we should sell Zaha as he was useless. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Aug 22 11.59pm

Originally posted by Willo

All about opinions of course.

I have been in settings with people involved in football and discussions apropos an array of players have resulted in significant differences of opinions on occasions !

There was certainly positive unanimity regarding messrs Eze and Olise, when they were still at QPR and Reading respectively !

Returning to RLC, I am not enthusiastic about a return of the player, just my opinion of course and I respect the opinions of those that fervently disagree.

Edited by Willo (01 Aug 2022 11.37pm)

Years ago, I remember a poster saying that we should sell Zaha as he was useless.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

pssguy 02 Aug 22 12.33am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Years ago, I remember a poster saying that we should sell Zaha as he was useless. Probably Edu. Didn't work so they bought Pepe

pssguy

02 Aug 22 12.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Years ago, I remember a poster saying that we should sell Zaha as he was useless.

Probably Edu. Didn't work so they bought Pepe

rossboss29 Portsmouth 02 Aug 22 8.58am
Originally posted by Spiderman I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season. Luckily they don’t consult with Willo Luckily they don’t consult Matteo either

rossboss29

Portsmouth 02 Aug 22 8.58am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree we really have to put trust in our recruitment, which seems to be getting better each season.
Luckily they don’t consult with Willo

Luckily they don’t consult Matteo either

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