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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Apr 17 11.05am
With my European hat on I would not like any special terms with the UK as other members may leave and try to do the same. However a Wilson type political solution would be a 're-packaging' of the single market and of free movement too and they would be essentially the same but it would be presented as a UK triumph flag-waving etc etc. So we would leave the EU actually but not in effect. Free movement is simply enabling people who do not have jobs in one country to another which where there are jobs for them, that's all it is.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Apr 17 11.05am

With my European hat on I would not like any special terms with the UK as other members may leave and try to do the same.

However a Wilson type political solution would be a 're-packaging' of the single market and of free movement too and they would be essentially the same but it would be presented as a UK triumph flag-waving etc etc.

So we would leave the EU actually but not in effect.

Free movement is simply enabling people who do not have jobs in one country to another which where there are jobs for them, that's all it is.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 Apr 17 11.50am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Funny you should pick South America. Do you know the value of Chilean FTAs compared to the EU? I would prefer to do a deal with the constituent countries separately, because the Peruvian economy is completely different to the Brazilian, and a blanket one-size-fits-all deal would not adequately leverage the unique interfacing of two economies without excessive compromise to (for example) a pissy Argentina that's getting upset we won't make concessions on "Las Malvinas". Much better to have a deal that is tailored to the interests of the Peruvians without concessions to the Brazilians, along with a deal tailored to Brazil that does not have to make concessions to the Peruvians. Meanwhile, the plodding EU is still no closer to an Australian trade deal because of Italian tinned fcuking tomatoes. The EU-Canada deal was hamstrung because of Romania getting pissy about Canadian visas. Can you explain why there should be any "evidence" of UK trade deals when the EU forbids us making any? Have you noticed how they throw their toys out of the pram when it becomes apparent we are currently negotiating our own deals? Pathetic control freaks. They know we can do this, and we can thrive without them. You'll find plenty of news articles about the nations currently queuing up to sign trade deals with us when we're unshackled. I'd trust the Tories do it considerably more than the party now backed by a Communist Party of Britain that, for the first time in 97 years, will not be fielding candidates. I don't think there should be any evidence. You just claimed that we were out there right now negotiating deals and countries were queuing up to sign them. I simply asked what evidence there was of this as I'd seen none. In terms of evidence of desire of other countries to do deals I've seen plenty of articles saying Boris or some other politician has claimed that, but no actual details, just hot air. In terms of my south american, you're right it would be much better for us to be able to negotiate individual agreements as we'd be in a stronger position than if we had to negotiate with the entire continent as we'd then be in a weaker position relatively. We'd have to make more concessions. The flip side would be having access to the entire continent and not just a single member. If indeed other countries are queuing up it's not to do us a favour. They will be seeing it as a chance to take advantage of our new situation and secure a better deal for themselves than they could have got with the EU. This won't necessarily be a reciprocally better agreement. Also free movement of capital is much more damaging than free movement of labour, and that's what you want us to move towards.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 25 Apr 17 11.50am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Funny you should pick South America. Do you know the value of Chilean FTAs compared to the EU?

I would prefer to do a deal with the constituent countries separately, because the Peruvian economy is completely different to the Brazilian, and a blanket one-size-fits-all deal would not adequately leverage the unique interfacing of two economies without excessive compromise to (for example) a pissy Argentina that's getting upset we won't make concessions on "Las Malvinas". Much better to have a deal that is tailored to the interests of the Peruvians without concessions to the Brazilians, along with a deal tailored to Brazil that does not have to make concessions to the Peruvians.

Meanwhile, the plodding EU is still no closer to an Australian trade deal because of Italian tinned fcuking tomatoes. The EU-Canada deal was hamstrung because of Romania getting pissy about Canadian visas.

Can you explain why there should be any "evidence" of UK trade deals when the EU forbids us making any? Have you noticed how they throw their toys out of the pram when it becomes apparent we are currently negotiating our own deals? Pathetic control freaks. They know we can do this, and we can thrive without them.

You'll find plenty of news articles about the nations currently queuing up to sign trade deals with us when we're unshackled. I'd trust the Tories do it considerably more than the party now backed by a Communist Party of Britain that, for the first time in 97 years, will not be fielding candidates.

I don't think there should be any evidence. You just claimed that we were out there right now negotiating deals and countries were queuing up to sign them. I simply asked what evidence there was of this as I'd seen none.

In terms of evidence of desire of other countries to do deals I've seen plenty of articles saying Boris or some other politician has claimed that, but no actual details, just hot air.

In terms of my south american, you're right it would be much better for us to be able to negotiate individual agreements as we'd be in a stronger position than if we had to negotiate with the entire continent as we'd then be in a weaker position relatively. We'd have to make more concessions. The flip side would be having access to the entire continent and not just a single member.

If indeed other countries are queuing up it's not to do us a favour. They will be seeing it as a chance to take advantage of our new situation and secure a better deal for themselves than they could have got with the EU. This won't necessarily be a reciprocally better agreement.

Also free movement of capital is much more damaging than free movement of labour, and that's what you want us to move towards.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 3.46pm
He he. They're on the right Road... Diverse lot. Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm) Attachment: FB_IMG_1493127575612.jpg (65.65Kb)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 3.46pm

He he. They're on the right Road...

Diverse lot.

Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 4.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset He he. They're on the right Road... Diverse lot. Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm) Dear oh dear. How infantile.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 4.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

He he. They're on the right Road...

Diverse lot.

Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm)

Dear oh dear.

How infantile.

Kermit8 Hevon 25 Apr 17 4.19pm
The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 25 Apr 17 4.19pm

The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 4.27pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it. Don't mention the dastardly EU !!!!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it.

Don't mention the dastardly EU !!!!

Stirlingsays 25 Apr 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it. Whereas Labour's and its supporters 'ring' has been exhaustively pounded into mush after all that continual yearly bending over for your EU love affair. Corbyn's pitch on Labour's EU negotiating position is political suicide...He makes us look so weak...then again he's made quite a success of that. Middle England is just going to give him the biggest two fingers since Foot. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 4.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Apr 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Cvntservative Party does rather have a pleasant euphonic ring to it.

Whereas Labour's and its supporters 'ring' has been exhaustively pounded into mush after all that continual yearly bending over for your EU love affair.

Corbyn's pitch on Labour's EU negotiating position is political suicide...He makes us look so weak...then again he's made quite a success of that. Middle England is just going to give him the biggest two fingers since Foot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 4.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 25 Apr 17 5.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Whereas Labour's and its supporters 'ring' has been exhaustively pounded into mush after all that continual yearly bending over for your EU love affair. Corbyn's pitch on Labour's EU negotiating position is political suicide...He makes us look so weak...then again he's made quite a success of that. Middle England is just going to give him the biggest two fingers since Foot. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 4.52pm) If you are talking about unilateral protection for our EU guests and residents over here then he is actually doing the decent thing. Rather than risk the talks being dragged downward into spite and oneupmanship he would be starting them on a higher, more responsible and benign level. Setting the standard. We have the 1,000,000 Brits in the EU to consider too and their well-being or don't they matter? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 25 Apr 17 5.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Whereas Labour's and its supporters 'ring' has been exhaustively pounded into mush after all that continual yearly bending over for your EU love affair.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 4.52pm)

If you are talking about unilateral protection for our EU guests and residents over here then he is actually doing the decent thing. Rather than risk the talks being dragged downward into spite and oneupmanship he would be starting them on a higher, more responsible and benign level. Setting the standard. We have the 1,000,000 Brits in the EU to consider too and their well-being or don't they matter?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Apr 17 5.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset He he. They're on the right Road... Diverse lot. Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm) Are you judging people by skin colour Nick?

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Apr 17 5.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

He he. They're on the right Road...

Diverse lot.

Edited by nickgusset (25 Apr 2017 3.47pm)

Are you judging people by skin colour Nick?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 If you are talking about unilateral protection for our EU guests and residents over here then he is actually doing the decent thing. Rather than risk the talks being dragged downward into spite and oneupmanship he would be starting them on a higher, more responsible and benign level. Setting the standard. We have the 1,000,000 Brits in the EU to consider too and their well-being or don't they matter? What annoys me is that some Tory MPs have been allowed to lambast Kier whatshisface for not saying he'd protect ex pats in the EU (when the press release does) and not get pulled up on it.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

What annoys me is that some Tory MPs have been allowed to lambast Kier whatshisface for not saying he'd protect ex pats in the EU (when the press release does) and not get pulled up on it.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you judging people by skin colour Nick? I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you judging people by skin colour Nick?

I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.15pm
Originally posted by Willo Dear oh dear. How infantile. Sense of humour bypass.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 5.15pm

Originally posted by Willo

Dear oh dear.

How infantile.

Sense of humour bypass.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 5.23pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Sense of humour bypass. Was that supposed to be humorous ? Edited by Willo (25 Apr 2017 5.23pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 5.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Sense of humour bypass.

Was that supposed to be humorous ?

Edited by Willo (25 Apr 2017 5.23pm)

Stirlingsays 25 Apr 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 If you are talking about unilateral protection for our EU guests and residents over here then he is actually doing the decent thing. Rather than risk the talks being dragged downward into spite and oneupmanship he would be starting them on a higher, more responsible and benign level. Setting the standard. We have the 1,000,000 Brits in the EU to consider too and their well-being or don't they matter? The EU had the chance to put protections in place before this point. Instead they waited to see what damage people from the left could do to the negotiation position instead. Clear as bloody day to anyone who wasn't bending over for the EU and couldn't look up to see....How's your back Kermy? Doing anything unilaterally is sheer stupidity in most negotiations and assumes that the other side won't take advantage or is 'ethical' for the sake of being 'ethical'. It shows you why so many on the 'progressive' left are completely unsuitable for grown up politics or indeed running anything in the real world. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Apr 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The EU had the chance to put protections in place before this point. Instead they waited to see what damage people from the left could do to the negotiation position instead. Clear as bloody day to anyone who wasn't bending over for the EU and couldn't look up to see....How's your back Kermy?

Doing anything unilaterally is sheer stupidity in most negotiations and assumes that the other side won't take advantage or is 'ethical' for the sake of being 'ethical'.

It shows you why so many on the 'progressive' left are completely unsuitable for grown up politics or indeed running anything in the real world.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 25 Apr 17 5.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area. That's a very racist statement Nick....though I don't regard you as a racist of course but it's very clumsy in our PC world....that you guys like to insist upon so much. Substitute the word 'white' for 'black'. Is it an acceptable thing to say? Follow Diane Abbott much? Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 5.42pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Apr 17 5.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area.

That's a very racist statement Nick....though I don't regard you as a racist of course but it's very clumsy in our PC world....that you guys like to insist upon so much.

Substitute the word 'white' for 'black'. Is it an acceptable thing to say?

Follow Diane Abbott much?

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2017 5.42pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Apr 17 6.04pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area. So you are then. Classic lefty. A white man claiming that there are too many white people in an area in his own country that is 85% white. And you probably still wonder why Labour is about to be erased.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Apr 17 6.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm judging a group in SE9 that seems very white. SE9 is a diverse area.

So you are then.

Classic lefty. A white man claiming that there are too many white people in an area in his own country that is 85% white.

And you probably still wonder why Labour is about to be erased.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 6.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you are then. Classic lefty. A white man claiming that there are too many white people in an area in his own country that is 85% white. And you probably still wonder why Labour is about to be erased. Not very bright today are you blackshirt. The area is culturally diverse, the Tory group in the picture are not.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 17 6.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are then.

Classic lefty. A white man claiming that there are too many white people in an area in his own country that is 85% white.

And you probably still wonder why Labour is about to be erased.

Not very bright today are you blackshirt.
The area is culturally diverse, the Tory group in the picture are not.

serial thriller The Promised Land 25 Apr 17 6.28pm
"Jeremy Corbyn has consistently voted and spoken against Uk foreign aggression. That alone makes him the most electable politician weve ever had" Akala Spot on. Edited by serial thriller (25 Apr 2017 6.32pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 25 Apr 17 6.28pm

"Jeremy Corbyn has consistently voted and spoken against Uk foreign aggression. That alone makes him the most electable politician weve ever had" Akala

Spot on.

Edited by serial thriller (25 Apr 2017 6.32pm)

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 6.36pm
Originally posted by serial thriller "Jeremy Corbyn has consistently voted and spoken against Uk foreign aggression. That alone makes him the most electable politician weve ever had" Akala Spot on. Edited by serial thriller (25 Apr 2017 6.32pm) I was convulsed by chortles on reading this. Almost split my sides laughing. Just about to met my fellow Tories regarding the local and General Elections. Must tell them about this - there will be raucous merriment. Edited by Willo (25 Apr 2017 6.39pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Apr 17 6.36pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

"Jeremy Corbyn has consistently voted and spoken against Uk foreign aggression. That alone makes him the most electable politician weve ever had" Akala

Spot on.

Edited by serial thriller (25 Apr 2017 6.32pm)

I was convulsed by chortles on reading this.
Almost split my sides laughing.

Just about to met my fellow Tories regarding the local and General Elections.
Must tell them about this - there will be raucous merriment.

Edited by Willo (25 Apr 2017 6.39pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Apr 17 7.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Not very bright today are you blackshirt. The area is culturally diverse, the Tory group in the picture are not. A white man playing the race card in a 85% white country to promote the Labour party and you think I'm the one who isn't bright. lol. Look on the bright side. I'm sure some of the 15% will vote for you.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Apr 17 7.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not very bright today are you blackshirt.
The area is culturally diverse, the Tory group in the picture are not.

A white man playing the race card in a 85% white country to promote the Labour party and you think I'm the one who isn't bright. lol.
Look on the bright side. I'm sure some of the 15% will vote for you.

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