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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well, that hasn't worked too well with Trump and Brexit. That is why the media is so anti both and why there is a charge to get both situations reversed either outside of the voting booth or with a 'people's vote'. If anything, the traditional Left should be secretly cheering Trump and Brexit on. I'd argue it is working a treat. The system is set up so that not much can really get done. The only thing of note Trump has got through are the tax cuts, which were approved by the dems too. Funny that. I bet newspapers and news show ratings are through the roof since Trump got elected and yet he's done f all for the people he said he would represent apart from criticise the opposition. Brexit was a shock to the system, but again, it hasn't happened yet and even if it does, the super wealthy will be ok. As i've stated a couple of posts back, the financial crisis was the real point in time to really make a big change to how we run things but all we got was the top 20% assets saved and the cost was put on the bottom 80% with austerity. I was for bailing out the banks btw, it was the only solution, but dont be fooled, it hasnt been sorted it has just been kicked down the road.
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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In fairness, praising the IRA just after they had murdered English citizens is a little more unforgivable than international diplomacy with some shady foreigners. That is right and im not defending him. Politicians have to be judged on competence and character. The problem is that more and more, it is based on character.
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 sickboy  Deal or Croydon 16 Nov 19 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What does the photo prove? Is anyone photographed with Gerry Adams a Marxist terrorist sympathiser? I would suggest that at the time of that photo anyone pictured with Adams did not have the best intersets of this country at heart if involved in a cosy tete a tete.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
I'd argue it is working a treat. The system is set up so that not much can really get done. The only thing of note Trump has got through are the tax cuts, which were approved by the dems too. Funny that. I bet newspapers and news show ratings are through the roof since Trump got elected and yet he's done f all for the people he said he would represent apart from criticise the opposition. Brexit was a shock to the system, but again, it hasn't happened yet and even if it does, the super wealthy will be ok. As i've stated a couple of posts back, the financial crisis was the real point in time to really make a big change to how we run things but all we got was the top 20% assets saved and the cost was put on the bottom 80% with austerity. I was for bailing out the banks btw, it was the only solution, but dont be fooled, it hasnt been sorted it has just been kicked down the road. Let's be honest. The super rich are bulletproof in virtually all cirumstances. They don't play the game, they own it.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Nov 19 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
I'd argue it is working a treat. The system is set up so that not much can really get done. The only thing of note Trump has got through are the tax cuts, which were approved by the dems too. Funny that. I bet newspapers and news show ratings are through the roof since Trump got elected and yet he's done f all for the people he said he would represent apart from criticise the opposition. Brexit was a shock to the system, but again, it hasn't happened yet and even if it does, the super wealthy will be ok. As i've stated a couple of posts back, the financial crisis was the real point in time to really make a big change to how we run things but all we got was the top 20% assets saved and the cost was put on the bottom 80% with austerity. I was for bailing out the banks btw, it was the only solution, but dont be fooled, it hasnt been sorted it has just been kicked down the road. Christopher Hitchens died at the 'fag' end of 2011. They say Christopher Hitchens's last words were, 'capitalism, downfall'. Some might say that habits die hard with an old Trot but It was a time where a lot of analysts were still coming to terms with the financial collapse and the response to it. When Tux posts he often chimes in with fiscal catastrophe as his main theme and it has to be said the west and indeed the developed world runs on debt and everything is on the 'never never'. The markets are based upon confidence and it all feels uncomfortably like a deck of cards where the 'busts' are more like explosive detonations and the 'booms' are more like recoveries. Economics isn't a strength of mine but looking long term the gradual social political changes don't feel me with optimism. Working out what the personal direction should be for the future is the real test of intelligence.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 19 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Lots of complaints from opposition politicians that the Tories are offering jobs and honours to buy off Brexit candidates and the like to fix the election. I think this is disgusting we need a full enquiry into this led by someone who is above reproach how about Baroness Chakrabti?
Didn't get that. Anyway she is a privy councillor.
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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Christopher Hitchens died at the 'fag' end of 2011. They say Christopher Hitchens's last words were, 'capitalism, downfall'. Some might say that habits die hard with an old Trot but It was a time where a lot of analysts were still coming to terms with the financial collapse and the response to it. When Tux posts he often chimes in with fiscal catastrophe as his main theme and it has to be said the west and indeed the developed world runs on debt and everything is on the 'never never'. The markets are based upon confidence and it all feels uncomfortably like a deck of cards where the 'busts' are more like explosive detonations and the 'booms' are more like recoveries. Economics isn't a strength of mine but looking long term the gradual social political changes don't feel me with optimism. Working out what the personal direction should be for the future is the real test of intelligence. Maybe. Im indifferent to social changes, as i see it as a sort of evolutionary constant, as in if you managed to live in england between 1700 and 1780, there would have been a social change, maybe not so much in regards to immigration, but quite probably in thought and behavioural acceptability. I would also imagine it is the same in Africa, North America, Asia, etc. Change is a constant, imo, not a variable. Im not of the opinion that we are at the end of days either, because, at least in the uk's situation, we have much more sovereignty than we have been led to believe, which cannot be said for all the other countries in the euro. It is quite amusing to me how the working class have been duped into believing the rich though and blindly supporting them and the social elite blindly supporting the greens or labour and, with regards to the working class, it's because a pish english voice is seen to be associated with intelligence and competence. That is what i have seen 1st hand from my parents. They sent me to sort of posho schools to try and give me a better life than theirs. The problem is that i still ended up sounding like steve parish So, im not totally down on the world, but i think the answer is education, discussion, moving towards a more inclusive and eventually direct democracy.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 16 Nov 19 2.31pm |
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I got it How she can look in a mirror is beyond me, and she's so self righteous. Tried to use her peerage to get her son I think into Eton, he ended up going to Dulwich College. Not surprisingly she publicly supports an end to private education as do all the Labour MP's who kids are enjoying that privilege. Originally posted by Badger11
Lots of complaints from opposition politicians that the Tories are offering jobs and honours to buy off Brexit candidates and the like to fix the election. I think this is disgusting we need a full enquiry into this led by someone who is above reproach how about Baroness Chakrabti?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 19 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I got it How she can look in a mirror is beyond me, and she's so self righteous. Tried to use her peerage to get her son I think into Eton, he ended up going to Dulwich College. Not surprisingly she publicly supports an end to private education as do all the Labour MP's who kids are enjoying that privilege. It is typical HOL tory twaddle. It is up to the Met to decide if an offence has been committed and prosecute if so. If they all shout and scream about it then it is probably true. Farage is accusing Johnson of it so it is anybodys guess.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Nov 19 2.38pm |
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Do you have any idea of the wealth and education ( and their kids education )of the Labour Shadow Cabinet. They all take the piss on expenses even now. Dawn Butler has a fecking taxpayer funded jacuzzi. Long-Bailey is only an MP cos her Labour predecessor was caught fiddling. Please spare me the class opinion. I think the current GE will show the " working class " as you call them are no longer duped by anyone wearing a red rosette Originally posted by Jway89
Maybe. Im indifferent to social changes, as i see it as a sort of evolutionary constant, as in if you managed to live in england between 1700 and 1780, there would have been a social change, maybe not so much in regards to immigration, but quite probably in thought and behavioural acceptability. I would also imagine it is the same in Africa, North America, Asia, etc. Change is a constant, imo, not a variable. Im not of the opinion that we are at the end of days either, because, at least in the uk's situation, we have much more sovereignty than we have been led to believe, which cannot be said for all the other countries in the euro. It is quite amusing to me how the working class have been duped into believing the rich though and blindly supporting them and the social elite blindly supporting the greens or labour and, with regards to the working class, it's because a pish english voice is seen to be associated with intelligence and competence. That is what i have seen 1st hand from my parents. They sent me to sort of posho schools to try and give me a better life than theirs. The problem is that i still ended up sounding like steve parish So, im not totally down on the world, but i think the answer is education, discussion, moving towards a more inclusive and eventually direct democracy.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 2.56pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Do you have any idea of the wealth and education ( and their kids education )of the Labour Shadow Cabinet. They all take the piss on expenses even now. Dawn Butler has a fecking taxpayer funded jacuzzi. Long-Bailey is only an MP cos her Labour predecessor was caught fiddling. Please spare me the class opinion. I think the current GE will show the " working class " as you call them are no longer duped by anyone wearing a red rosette I do. I defy you to show me any working class parent who doesn't want their child to have a better life than them. If you can send them to a good school, of course you are going to do that, aren't you? My parents didn't want me to have to go through life breaking my body like they did and if i ever hace kids it will be the same. Are you saying there is no class? I dont recall stating that Labour MPs arent corrupt, if anything I put them in the same bracket as all the other parties. My point is that it is amazing how you can honestly make any plausible case that the Conservatives are for the working class especially after 2008. Spare me your faux outrage
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| chris123 hove actually 16 Nov 19 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Thanks Chris 123. A very minor BY ( not BI ) election in one very labour ward is not really much of a guide to national election. Most pundits been wrong both 2017 GE and EU referendum so who know. Labour front bench is a Star Wars bars of maniacs, imbeciles and self interested patronising champagne socialists ( remember white van comment ) and anyone who isn't at a minimum silent on anti semitism doesn't get a look in. God save us if they form a government. Whilst I think Corbyn is appalling at least he is consistently so Edited by HKOwen (16 Nov 2019 2.08pm) One Labour and four independent candidates, so not sure what can be read into an Alderman election where total electorate is about 1600 and the winner got 260 votes.
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| Midlands Eagle 16 Nov 19 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Perhaps I made my original point badly. All parties offer inducements to people especially around election time whether that is breaking the law is a grey area.
Inducements like free broadband you mean
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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I think the current GE will show the " working class " as you call them are no longer duped by anyone wearing a red rosette Sorry, my point was mainly that you are completely correct in this statement. They are not duped by the red rosette, they are now duped by the blue one too. And, I don't call them working class. I am working class and ain't afraid to say it. In fact, I would go as far as saying that 95% of people commenting on these chats are working class and will freely, openly and proudly admit it.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 16 Nov 19 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Sorry, my point was mainly that you are completely correct in this statement. They are not duped by the red rosette, they are now duped by the blue one too. And, I don't call them working class. I am working class and ain't afraid to say it. In fact, I would go as far as saying that 95% of people commenting on these chats are working class and will freely, openly and proudly admit it. How dare you call me working class you deplorable little man
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| W12 16 Nov 19 8.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Jway89
I do. I defy you to show me any working class parent who doesn't want their child to have a better life than them. If you can send them to a good school, of course you are going to do that, aren't you? My parents didn't want me to have to go through life breaking my body like they did and if i ever hace kids it will be the same. Are you saying there is no class? I dont recall stating that Labour MPs arent corrupt, if anything I put them in the same bracket as all the other parties. My point is that it is amazing how you can honestly make any plausible case that the Conservatives are for the working class especially after 2008. Spare me your faux outrage I wouldn’t say the Tories are for anything accept the status quo. At least they are against communism though.
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| Deleted11 16 Nov 19 8.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
How dare you call me working class you deplorable little man
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